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Low Energy Neurofeedback System (lens)

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Hi, I had a hideous experience with LENS, there is no protocol, no guidelines, no consultations with Ochs lab, insufficient research, poor over sight, a lack of peer reviewed literature on it and people all over the USA undoubtedly have had negative impacts with no way to consolidate this information and provide better consumer protection. The person who gave me the treatment used 3 sessions to 'map" 21 sights on my brain, then I had 3 more treatments. I said maybe it needs to be more agressive after the first 3 did nothing, they were zapping me for 5 minutes, I thought the increase would be a minute or 2, but no, they bolted it up to 38 minutes!!!! After about 20 minutes I was feeling hot and sweating, then after 25 minutes I was feeling nauseated, after 30 minutes, I said STOP. I'm so pain tolerant that I should have said stop after 10 minutes, but it takes a bomb to make me realize I am feeling anything. I had to immediately lie down, I was sweating, dizzy, nauseated, and had a headache, it took a half hour before i could even stand up again and...that was 9 weeks ago.

I still have that headache, I NEVER used to have any headaches, and my anxiety, depression, insomnia, and irritability are much worse; cognitive functioning like adding, subtracting, memory, etc. have also noticeably declined. I am really sooooo angry about this, I don't know if I can file against them in small claims court or get a lawyer, but I am going to at least report this to BCIA, see if I can get this practitioner banned. I shouldn't have to be the one who has to tell the person doing it to take a wise, prudent approach. I'm not the specialist, but it was insane to go from 5 minutes to 38 minutes, highly unprofessional, risky, arbitrary and done on a lark as if going from 5 mph to 100 mph if someone says 'you're driving too slow". It felt retaliatory and sadistic. Anyone with any brains would suggest an incremental increase. Now, I feel like one of those people in the Nazi death camps that was being experimented on. I am left with WORSE PTSD than I ever had before.

I do NOT recommend LENs, I think the old, other approach where you control the screen is better and has been used long-term, it has better peer reviewed information on it. Dr. bessel Van der Kolk uses it in his Trauma Recovery Center and it is less invasive. I think this is LENS thing is a dangerous fad because they can charge a lot of money, it takes them a few minutes to zap the hell out of your brain and then you leave... whereas the other method takes 40 minutes and more patience on the part of the practitioner. It is dangerous and I would not recommend it to anyone. Too risky...unless you want to pay for your own lobotomy.
 
After 12 sessions of Lens my anxiety, fatigue and depression had gone much worse... please, any advise as to how can I recover from this....?
 
Yes, I have. I have written about Neurofeedback a number of times here on the forum but perhaps not a...
There are a couple things going on here. You are likely what is known as a highly discerning, sensitive, reactive person. In light of that, the LENS could have been started off the head by placing the electrode on the hand and making that the only point used in that session. If used on the head you should have had maybe one or two max. Yes, you can be over treated with The LENS but the "side effects" are self limiting. Sorry you went through that. I would like to recommend a different practitioner and try again. This time make it clear to them your experience and what you would like for them to do. The beauty about the LENS is that it is a totally passive process, you don't have to relive the trauma, and it works quickly, unlike traditional neurofeedback. Best of luck.
 
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Hi, I had a hideous experience with LENS, there is no protocol, no guidelines, no consultations with Och...

You're the 1st person I've read about that has had this kind of reaction. I would recommend that you contact Ochs Labs directly regarding your experience. For most highly discerning reactive people the "side effects" of LENS are self limiting. However, based on your experience with it and your practitioner it doesn't mean that LENS in general is a bad thing for everyone. It is not. It's all in how the practitioner approaches it. I would not blast someone just because they're not "feeling" it. As for recourse I don't know what to tell you. Approaching it legally would be very costly and it would be difficult to prove it was the LENS. Also, LENS practitioners don't fall under the reigns of BCIA.
I would also recommend that you consider other modalities such as EFT or EMDR. They're very gentle. Good luck.
 
Hi, I had a hideous experience with LENS, there is no protocol, no guidelines, no consultations with Och...
I am so sorry you had such a bad experience, especially with a diagnosis of PTSD. There are different levels of education in neurofeedback providers, and even different levels of abilities in those with the same credentials (I have read in the literature that even "intent to heal" is a factor in treatment; we know so little about energy fields and their individual effects). I am a Neuropsychologist with board certification in clinical neuroscience. The reason I became interested in LENS was the fact that the treatment was less expensive to the client in the long-term due to target effects being reached in shorter treatment time and that it is a passive treatment for those clients with attention deficit (and in young children). As in the neurophysics paradigm, more is seldom better. In fact, a very conservative approach with LENS is emphasized over and over in LENS formal training. I have experienced too many wonderful outcomes with appropriate LENS therapy to suggest you give up. I know the individuals at Ochs Labs and they are caring practitioners. It is my personal wish that you would contact them again.
 
I am so sorry you had such a bad experience, especially with a diagnosis of PTSD. There are different levels of educ...

She has a permanent headache and you suggest that she goes back for more?

This treatment seems pretty scary if it can cause that much damage!
 
Dr. Mason - you are replying to a post from nearly a year ago, from a member that has not been back in a year. It is unlikely they will respond.
 
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