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I feel like my issues are too complex to recover from

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are successfully converted into just normal parts of self.

It doesn't quite work that way though.

Some times, they just stick around, poking differently than they used to, the matter is to stay alive / live with them still present.

The gnarly bits of trauma and parts of it aren't something that just normalizes with time IME. They're not like stressors and triggers that way. They're just something you learn to cope with better, coexist, let go, while it's still there - no magic happy ends.
 
In this line of thought it seems like a lot of people's approach to recovery is "my legs are both broke...
Definitely in my Top 5 of the most narrow-minded things I’ve ever read on this site.

Stick with this attitude, which has pervaded your posts. You’ll end up finding that there’s thousands of people living in wheelchairs who get to experience far more “genuine happiness” than you’ll ever achieve.
 
@jameson You said a bit ago that whilst looking back at your experiences through school you saw you were wrestling with some hurts and difficulties which may have negatively impacted you. Perhaps the version of health you are trying to get back to isn't necessarily healthy for you now, as a person who is changing, becoming an adult etc. I think you'll certainly find your own stability and health. I suspect it will be deep and lasting, too..and may feel different from what you are remembering. In my experience the health and the sustaining of the health becomes conscious and flexible. If a day is shitty or something comes up, we know how to communicate with ourselves to work through. The fear becomes less powerful.

Regarding the wheel chair marathon. I think it depends what your goal is. If your goal is to run the marathon when you are in great condition, sure doing so at any other point would be disappointing. If you break a leg and have to come back from the leg break and find your completion time is less than what it was, that's often disappointing. If your goal is to complete the marathon, then you relieve yourself of the pressure of having to do it in a certain way. From my perspective I see you are setting high standards for yourself, which is cool. I think it is disappointing to lose cognitive functioning and overall functionality. You'll come through the other side though, slightly different but those parts of you that you miss will still be there.

It's cool you like quotes. I love them too. Putting them in my own little journal has been neat. It's felt a small bit fulfilling. I hear you about the shitty lyrics getting stuck and playing loudly on the mind. That is not fun. Good luck at the doctors.
 
It doesn't quite work that way though.

Some times, they just stick around, poking differently than they used to, the matter is to stay alive / live with them still present.

The gnarly bits of trauma and parts of it aren't something that just normalizes with time IME. They're not like stressors and triggers that way. They're just something you learn to cope with better, coexist, let go, while it's still there - no magic happy ends.
I could understand that a lot of people can't successfully overcome them, a lot of people have been through much bigger T traumas than I have, but I personally have done it before it just didn't last long. If I can get it long term I will be very satisfied with the outcome.

Regarding the wheel chair marathon. I think it depends what your goal is. If your goal is to run the marathon when you are in great condition, sure doing so at any other point would be disappointing. If you break a leg and have to come back from the leg break and find your completion time is less than what it was, that's often disappointing. If your goal is to complete the marathon, then you relieve yourself of the pressure of having to do it in a certain way. From my perspective I see you are setting high standards for yourself, which is cool. I think it is disappointing to lose cognitive functioning and overall functionality. You'll come through the other side though, slightly different but those parts of you that you miss will still be there.
I have never been very healthy, I felt really good for a span of about two weeks though because I filled a void that was present forever. To me unless I can fill that void long term in a reliable way I will never be satisfied, I know how important it is now. I know its possible to get back up on my feet and live at least a mostly normal life, not perfection but at least decent. I know I can get to a place where I don't have to be constantly trying to tolerate a huge burden, and instead and just live with less weight on my shoulders, not worth it to me unless I can find that kind of genuine satisfaction.

My other quotes got pulled down for copyright infringement, I really like certain really old things like "a man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the marble and the sculptor." "Ask not for lighter burden, but for broader shoulders." Thing is for me that there is no shoulders broad enough to hold this kind of burden, it needs to be lighter.
 
I know its possible to get back up on my feet and live at least a mostly normal life, not perfection but at least decent.
Then why won't you try?

I know - because you think trying is pointless right now.
I felt really good for a span of about two weeks though because I filled a void that was present forever.
This was the relationship, or the mushrooms?
 
Then why won't you try?

I know - because you think trying is pointless right now.

This was the relationship, or the mushrooms?

I am trying, I just don't do much of the day to day maintenance things because I am in a really brutal state. The 2 weeks of feeling good was the relationship.
 
Okay, so get WHAT in the relationship made you functional / what kind of an organization of time, and thinking of yourself / what were your thinking styles & habits & routines during, as well as needs met that aren't met otherwise - learn to be meeting them, for yourself, recreate what you were doing during that relationship.

Because it's rarely JUST the other person, that change is yours.
 
n this line of thought it seems like a lot of people's approach to recovery

Good for them! :D They got what they wanted, and what they worked for, and that’s awesome.

Has little to no bearing on what I want or am working for, though, except for what I can learn from them. I’m certainly not going to be bothered by how other people choose to live their lives, much less base my own life off of the results of their decisions.

I’ve never really given a f*ck for what other people do, though, unless it’s useful to me.

Which means that if I don’t want to do wheelchair marathons? I could look at the people who are and feel like it’s pointless for me to do anything, because I don’t want that... or I could look at it like I do: other people got what they wanted by working for it, maybe I can get what I want by working for it, too. Okay. How did they go about doing that? How can I apply that in my own life? Just because I want something different? Doesn’t mean I can’t learn anything. I can usually learn a whole helluva lot. And it often turns out that the goals may be different, but the methods used in order to get there? The exact same.
 
I am trying, I just don't do much of the day to day maintenance things because I am in a really brutal state.
Changing your day-to-day is what constitutes trying. You don't have to start big, you can start small. But starting is everything.
The 2 weeks of feeling good was the relationship.
So - you are basing your concept of wellness on how you felt during a relationship that lasted two weeks.

That wasn't wellness. That was a dopamine surge.

You've got yourself psychoanalyzed down to the most minute detail. You've conceptualized trauma in your life that doesn't exist, in order to make sense of what is probably a combination of depression and anxiety. You believe that you have this void in your life, that you need secure attachment in order to fill it, that you are completely capable of finding utter fulfillment, and that mushrooms showed you all this and two weeks with a girlfriend confirmed it.

If you are describing your symptoms accurately, and without exaggeration - then I would strongly suggest, given your age, gender and the timing of your experience with psychedelics, that you clear the floor of all assumptions about what your diagnosis might be, and get re-assessed. You've got stuff going on that points to the possibility of any number of diagnoses, and it's very hard to see how PTSD is the likeliest candidate - especially given your apparent lack of trauma history. But, the fact is, we aren't doctors and this is the internet. You could be leaving something out, you could be making all this up. I'm not saying that to be offensive; it's just what's true.

What is also true is, this thread is nearing the end of its usefulness. Think about starting a trauma diary, and/or moving on to other areas of the site. The diary might be most useful for you, as a place to continue to log symptoms, while you wait for something else to change.
 
Okay, so get WHAT in the relationship made you functional / what kind of an organization of time, and thinking of yourself / what were your thinking styles & habits & routines during, as well as needs met that aren't met otherwise - learn to be meeting them, for yourself, recreate what you were doing during that relationship.

Because it's rarely JUST the other person, that change is yours.
The change didn't come from an action, it came from a perception that I was liked by someone of the opposite sex, and by extension that I was loveable, good the way I am, life is good, etc. I found myself naturally motivated to do things instead of feeling like I'm just tolerating something that sucks, I felt comfortable going to sleep, I felt comfortable looking in a mirror, everything changed. There's no other way to get back there without sourcing that love from somewhere, no series of actions can do it besides maybe actions that lead to me loving myself again. What I was doing during the time is completely irrelevant IMO, the change happened pretty suddenly and everything else followed, when I lost what I was dependent on everything collapsed hard.


Changing your day-to-day is what constitutes trying. You don't have to start big, you can start small. But starting is everything.

So - you are basing your concept of wellness on how you felt during a relationship that lasted two weeks.

That wasn't wellness. That was a dopamine surge.

You've got yourself psychoanalyzed down to the most minute detail. You've conceptualized trauma in your life that doesn't exist, in order to make sense of what is probably a combination of depression and anxiety. , that you need secure attachment in order to fill it, that you are completely capable of finding utter fulfillment, and that mushrooms showed you all this and two weeks with a girlfriend confirmed it.

I can't disagree with you more about almost everything you say. I think trying to change day-to-day habits is not relevant to "trying", when the important change takes place your habits change naturally. I understand that how good I felt during such a short term relationship is obviously exaggerated, however most of what I noticed had nothing to do with the dope spike. Singing more, dancing more, being overtly positive, yeah that's dopamine spike. Being able to sleep without feeling unsafe, having motivation to do things, having self esteem, being able to tolerate normal stress, not minding doing maintenance tasks, not feeling like the world is a dark place, not having a headache 24/7, none of those things are the dopamine spike, they are just normal life for a healthy person.

I haven't conceptualized trauma that doesn't exist, you can maybe argue that it's technically traumatic according to the DSM, but any rational person should understand how genuinely and severely traumatic it is to be mistreated and then abandoned by your mother at a very young age. It's also pretty straight forward to see how having that kind of early experience can cause a snowball effect throughout your life. If this is depression and anxiety then PTSD is a meaningless concept. There is a really obvious void with a really obvious cause that was really obviously confirmed when it was filled in an unhealthy way. I figured this out over years of therapy and a lifetime of struggle.

I feel like even with the lack of information and lack of depth that comes with text forum posts, the picture is so clear that it's impossible to miss unless you have a personal bias, the cause and effect is pretty direct.
 
Wait, this whole time you’ve been dismissing everyone and everything, every shred of science about trauma and recovery, because of the enlightenment and instantaneous ‘normality’ that you achieved during a relationship...

And that relationship lasted 2 weeks...? Two? Whole? Weeks?

Oh my.

<heads off to communicate with members that actually have ptsd>
 
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