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@lostforgottensoul I understand that in some ways it was the the right thing to do. But, I was told I would get a moment to deal with it and as I was actively doing something to deal with it, they said they were calling. It felt very out of the blue, they have always given me the time to deal with my issues, or they send me home. This time, I didn’t get either options and even when I went home, they sent campus safety after me. If they couldn’t give me the time to do that anymore, I should have at least been informed of that because that is what I’ve gotten for the last 3 years. Also, I did leave when they felt they couldn’t handle it and that still wasn’t enough.

I wasn’t going to be on the clock (and it is a little more informal than that), it was just going to be an in and out dropping off of a tool. This happens on a very regular basis and they have never even mentioned liability or insurance or anything, they don’t really seem worried about that. I see what you are saying, but I don’t think this as even a concern for them. It just felt like they couldn’t trust that I could handle it myself without their help (even though that is my repsonsibility, I do it all the time, and I was in the process of doing just that).

The decision I am trying to deal with is whether or not to fight to go back. Whether or not we sit down for mediation isn’t really my decision, it’s theirs. Whether or not I get my job back, is theirs. I just don’t know if I should fight for it. I love my job. I understand that the road my relationships with my bosses has gone down is unhealthy, I just don’t know if it is something that can be repaired. Even if I leave or am forced out I have to deal with it every day because I live next door and I have to see it and walk by the building to go anywhere. I do want my job back more than anything, but I don’t know if I can handle it if I fight for it and lose. I don’t want to have to walk away from it unnecessarily, but I don’t know how to deal with it if leaving isn’t my choice.
 
The decision I am trying to deal with is whether or not to fight to go back.

Only you can answer that. Is it worth it? If not then don't. If so, then fight for it.

I don’t know how to deal with it if leaving isn’t my choice

Being fired is hard. I didn't deal well the last time I lost my job. I had to stay out of work for a month and had trouble looking for a job. But I regained that abilty (with help from kind folks here) and applied for this much better job and got hired quickly. This job pays $2 more an hour, actually gives raises (even with anxiety causing my end of the year review to be lower) where my last job stopped giving raises the last 2 yrs. And this job actually cares about their employees. A super family friendly atmosphere where my last job could careless about you or your issues. I got fired from a job I adored (due to my own stupidity which made it worse) but ended up with a MUCH better job in everyway. Being fired is never easy but it happens. You get back up and look for a better job.
 
@lostforgottensoul thank you. I guess I'm just really scared. I can't afford to be unemployed. If that happens, I will have to go back to my parents. That's not safe and I don't have anywhere else to go. Also, they will know I got fired and I can't offer them an explanation. They don't know anything about my PTSD, and they wouldn't be ok with it. If I'm there, I can't get therapy.

A friends mom (a friend who has basically walked away from me because of this situation) told me to just give up and start over, if that means I'm homeless, so be it. I don't have anyone in my life to provide any kind of support. I won't be able to afford therapy. Well, that seems too easy for someone to say when she has always been financially secure her whole life. I know I'm catastrophizing, but this fear is starting to feel like a very real possibility. At a certain point, I won't have many resources or options because I won't have money. I just turned 21, I may have lived through a lot, but don't have a lot of experience with the world, and my strength can only get me so far.
 
I know I'm catastrophizing

Yes you are so stop. You can find another job outside of the college. This is not the only job in the United States! Or even your State! You can find another job outside of the college, outside of this field. You do not have to be homeless. Job search now rather then catastrophizing. Fight for you job if you want to and then look for another at the same time.
 
I am pretty sure I have to still work at school considering my financial aid, and lack of references. I’m just nervous that I will keep getting left out and misunderstood in a new environment. I do have trouble expressing myself and this experience has only made that worse. I also don’t have any clue where the administration stands on the whole thing either.
 
@LoveTea - there are a few things that jumped out at me.
In the past, my symptoms were worse than this, and they were involved with helping me deal with them. At the time, I didn’t understand how detrimental this was to both of us and since been working to stop. For over 6 months now, my symptoms (dissociation for the most part) havn’t really lasted past 5 minutes (only 2 times it has gotten much longer and I offered to/left when this happened).
I'm glad that you came to understand that they shouldn't be helping you deal with your symptoms. But because they did, and for quite awhile, it doesn't surprise me that they don't know how to react to you exhibiting symptom-like behavior, now.
Also, my symptoms primarily pop up when I am bored or feel ignored, which is before we are doing anything or during breaks already.
This sounds like you become symptomatic as a way of getting reassurance that you matter, or getting attention. If the people you are working with even suspect that this might be the case, then what they are dealing with is much more complicated than you're aware of. You think it's about them allowing you to manage yourself - but what they might be struggling with is not knowing whether these symptomatic bursts are 'real', or whether they are coming from somewhere else.

Like you said, here:
Campus safety says had to makes sure I wasn’t a danger to myself, but I don’t know it what world being upset and dropping a bag constitutes danger. It also wasn’t an anxiety attack, I was just upset. The reason I’m confused is that they’ve seen me much worse and havn’t called campus safety, let me calm down and I was totally fine.
So, you got upset, and you physically, visibly lost control of yourself. You dropped your backpack, which is a dramatic gesture, and it could have looked to them like you were about to lose control of yourself further.
I was returning borrowed tools when I got upset and was breathing heavier. I was not in the way of them doing their jobs. One of my bosses saw me and said he would give me a minute, but when I dropped my backpack to get my meds he immediately said he was calling campus safety.
What made you get upset, when you were returning the tools?
 
@joeylittle a while ago we emailed anout it (since they were unresponsive in person) and they said they would leave me be for 5 minutes to let me deal with it myself.

My therapist says that she thinks my symptoms are the only way we really communicate anymore. I don’t think they see them as intentionally attention seeking (since they’ve seen my symptoms much worse) but they also don’t communicate with me outside of my symptoms. I tried to mention in my email that I don’t feel like people interact with me outside of my symptoms, and for a little while they changed and did talk to me other times, but for some reason they stopped again.

Again, they have seen me much worse. I have never attacked anyone or become violent, I just tend to shut down. Either way, they are the ones that came up with the rule of asking me to leave. They didn’t even give me the opportunity.

I got upset because I walked through the middle of a room of them talking and everyone completely ignored me. This issues has been ongoing and feels very dehumanizing, but I was coming back from therapy which made me particularly sensitive that day.

Afterwards, I tried to email them explaining how I was feeling and my confusion about how they reacted and what I thought should have been done. (My friend and therapist both read it and said it was well stated and not attacking). But instead of responding to me and letting me be heard, they told my dean I am not welcome back. They are the ones that said I would never get in trouble for telling them how I felt and that’s exactly what this feels like.

My dean basically said they refused to talk to me or even offer an explanation as to why I can’t go back. I even offered to work with one of the other people in the department (who I’ve worked with before) but everyone just shut me down. This is a small college, beyond a job, it is supposed to be an educational environment. But they push me out without even a word. My therapist even talked to my dean and she thought it was discriminatory, and told my dean as much. I have lost thousands of dollars over this. Even if it does get resolved by the end of the year, there isn’t any work left to do 3 weeks from now.

It just feels like the situation only exists and has only escalated this far because no one will listen to me. The people who are supposed to be advocating for me are basically saying “sorry, oh well”. I keep trying to give alternatives and be clear about where I amcoming from, but no one seems to care, I can’t even really go to events because my now former bosses would be there. I can’t live my life avoiding them everyday, but encountering them would only rip it open again.
 
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I think part of the problem is that you’ve never had a job pre-ptsd to see how a job functions outside of being disabled, nor have you had a job in the real world outside of school.

I’m not seeing discrimination here.

I am seeing you as someone who expects faaaaar too much from their employer.

“They are the ones that said I would never get in trouble for telling them how I felt”——in reality this scenario does not exist. There will ALWAYS be a line of things you should not discuss with your employers if you want to stay employed.

The school year is almost over. I suggest moving on and using this as a learning experience.

In the future, I hope you learn to regulate yourself and not depend so much on your boss or other employees. It doesn’t matter if they offer to help you. Pretty much everyone will be in over their head when it comes to helping someone with ptsd and none of them will realize they are in over their head, either——it’s human nature to want to help someone. It’s your job to say thanks but no thanks to other employees and bosses who try to help. Again, it’s all on you. Keep strong boundaries. Keep work people as work people, not pseudo therapists.
 
Agreed with @EveHarrington strongly! I am reading this and just asking myself "what?" And "why?" My employer knows I have anxiety because it was affecting my job preformance as we were working together to stop it from effecting job preformance but ultimately it was my responsibilty to stop it. They only bent a rule slightly (allowed adult coloring books) to help. But it was all on me to do my job properly. And it needed to happen immediatly. I started taking medication again that day.

My employer has no idea I have PTSD. Now that will change once I start to bring a service dog to work but thats a rather extreme example. In general employers do not know of mental health issues shy of just the very basics that may show themselves like anxiety. But even HR do not know. They are my employers. Not friends. There is a big difference and a big boundry that has been severely crossed in my opinion.

Move on, learn from it. But not discrimination at all.
 
I am going to start with this.
I am listening to you. I really did take the time to read through what you wrote, to reply in as fair of an opinion as I can. Disagreement is not dismissal.

but they also don’t communicate with me outside of my symptoms.
This is an issue. They don't talk to you at all? What if you were late, no show, caught standing around doing nothing, eating on shift? They literally were happy to pay you to just keep a chair from floating away?
No one tried to give you something to do? Not even busy work? Sorting, organising, cleaning?

Did you ask for something? The best way I've ever found to motivate a supervisor to find me something to do, even when everything is literally done. Is take out the phone, poke the screen a couple of times and say "I'm bored."
Works every time.

Again, they have seen me much worse. I have never attacked anyone or become violent, I just tend to shut down.
With this line, I am deducing that you have a job function?
You are supposed to be doing something, somewhere, somehow. But when you get an anxiety attack (What I call your definition of upset. That's the term I use for being symptomatic to the point where it affects by ability to do my job, but still being able to get it under my control with the application of grounding exercises. This is what I call an anxiety attack.) You are unable to perform your job function for a period of time, while not on a scheduled rest period? Thus your productivity is being impeded by your symptoms to such a degree that the management deemed you are not worth the expense in wages?

What does shutting down do to your productivity? If everyone is ignoring you, how does doing nothing cause you to suddenly stand out, and in a negative way sufficient to warrant your dismissal?

Are you physically blocking a piece of equipment when you shut down, or a doorway or the copy machine or something?

Or is your shutting down somehow disruptive to your co-worker's?

Is this conversation you are seeking from co-worker's only what is necessary to do your job?

Either way, they are the ones that came up with the rule of asking me to leave. They didn’t even give me the opportunity.
This is their right. The management has the same duty to everyone in their employ. They don't have to let you do anything other than your job when you're being paid to do it.

If I went to my workplace right now, the only place I should be while off the clock, is in the room the schedule is posted, or the most direct or otherwise designated path to it.

If I do any of the following:
  • Enter an area requiring personal protective equipment without the equipment and approval.
  • Interrupt any other employees during the course of their assigned duties.
  • Act in a hostile or unprofessional manner.
  • Attempt to do anything other than reading the schedule, picking up tax forms, requested time off, dropping off a doctor's excuse, or anything else that cannot or should not be done during the course of a paid shift.
  • Forget to put on pants.
They have every right to ask me to leave. They also have the right to have me removed from the premises by force, should I refuse to comply with the verbal demand.

It doesn't matter if they let me hang out there all last week, every day for the 10 year's I've worked there or if I was invited.
If I'm told to leave, I must go.

They also do absolutely care about liability and insurance. I guarantee that.
Why?
Because businesses of a certain size, must pay for WCB. Just as you must pay to insure your car.
Whenever a compensation claim is approved, the premium on the WCB policy goes up.
Just as car insurance premiums go up after each crash involving your vehicle, irregardless of whether or not it was your fault.
That's why work safety is pushed by large businesses even at the cost of productivity. It's still cheaper than running a fast and careless operation.
Believe me, they care. They just don't need to explain in detail to every single person, they ask to leave the premises due to health and safety concerns.

I got upset because I walked through the middle of a room of them talking and everyone completely ignored me.
This was the day they called campus security to remove you?
Then... Yeah. Why would you expect anything else?
You said you were off the clock. What needed to be said? It couldn't be job related, you were not supposed to be working.
If you were looking to shoot the shit with your mates on the company dime? That's probably why they kicked you out. They're not obligated to let you distract other employees, whom they are paying to do a job, because you felt like a chat. Sorry, but no.
Then when no one wanted to get in trouble for socialising with you, you become symptomatic and start making a scene when they won't let you stay?

I don't doubt that felt really shitty, but that's not wrong of them to have done.
If this is a regular thing with you? Please, please just be honest with yourself and correct this behaviour. It's going to make you resented by co-worker's when any management let's you do this, or fired by the one's that don't.

If I'm wrong and you aren't doing this? Then ignore this advice. Either way, think about it.

This issues has been ongoing and feels very dehumanizing, but I was coming back from therapy which made me particularly sensitive that day.
This is not your employer's problem. It just isn't. Especially when you aren't supposed to be there for a shift. If you can't regulate yourself and aren't needing to be at work? Stay away from work!

Afterwards, I tried to email them explaining how I was feeling and my confusion about how they reacted and what I thought should have been done. (My friend and therapist both read it and said it was well stated and not attacking). But instead of responding to me and letting me be heard, they told my dean I am not welcome back.
This is again their right. If you were fired for causing issues off the clock, they don't have to give you an audience.

They are the ones that said I would never get in trouble for telling them how I felt and that’s exactly what this feels like.
Did you ever get in trouble for anything you told them as it pertains to your job duties, while you were on shift?

I have lost thousands of dollars over this. Even if it does get resolved by the end of the year, there isn’t any work left to do 3 weeks from now.
How did you lose thousands over this?

It just feels like the situation only exists and has only escalated this far because no one will listen to me.
It sounds like this became an issue that ended up working both ways.

I can’t even really go to events because my now former bosses would be there.
Why not?
They aren't your bosses. They just ignored you anyways. Mutual silence shouldn't be difficult to achieve.
Seriously. You aren't there for them anyways, just more faces in a crowded room. On your own time, you're not obligated to give them an audience.

I can’t live my life avoiding them everyday, but encountering them would only rip it open again.
Nope. You hold your head up high and proud, walk right past them without giving them the time of day.

They ignored you, you can now ignore them. You can find a better job. Believe me, there's lots of them out there. Some great, some average, some complete shit. But they're all different.
 
@EveHarrington and @lostforgottensoul I understand that boundaries are issues and that this is a learning experience. However, this is a campus job, that is partially involved in school curriculum. This is a small school that prides itself on inclusion regardless of any disability. It is also a very relaxed working environment, I am not saying it is right, but my bosses are friends with all of the students whom they employ. The only way to really get to do anything is by being friends with them. I didn't choose to tell them about any of this, a mutual friend told them. I tried to tell them to back off, they said they would back off, and they didn't. The part that I take issue with is the fact that they would say to my face that I am good at my job and am valuable, but they did not act like it. They used me as a last resort, good enough to ask at all, but with really short notice and no information. They do not inform me when they have made decisions that effect my job, I just have to figure it out. There are plenty of other students that are simply not dedicated or good at the job and they are still given opportunities to learn. This is a learning environment, I have been eager to learn anything and I am always pushed aside for someone else.

@Neverthesame yes, most of the time they don't interact with me at all. They do not say 'hi' when I walk in (they do this for everyone else), they do not tell me what is going on with work. I don't know about the discipline stuff since I am super reliable (always show up on time), and it is super relaxed (they don't care if we eat or are texting during work). It is a very physical job, a lot of stop and go. When I ask for stuff they tend to make me wait a while, giving my peers things to do first. I want to work more, I love working, they say they understand that I'm best when I'm doing my job, but they don't act like that.

They do not care at all if we take unscheduled breaks (our breaks aren't scheduled they just tell us to take them when we need them)
With this line, I am deducing that you have a job function? This is a college job, they have never been concerned about "wasting wages" they employ many people who are not competent, period, but the point is to be a learning environment. They pick up on when I am having symptoms (I think my body language changes), so that is the only time they do acknowledge my presence (I know this doesn't make sense if they are ignoring me, it doesn't make sense to me either, but a few other peers have said the same to me as well). It does mean that I need to take a few minutes to deal with it, but it is basically never at a time when there is any work to actually do. Even the few times it has been while I am working, they have never had a problem with me taking 5 minutes to deal (everyone on staff can take breaks whenever they want). I am not in the way of them doing their own work, I am normally against a wall, and it is only disruptive to the extent that they get in my face asking what I need (and I try to make them go away and they don't listen a lot).

The conversation I am seeking is necessary to do my job. I have no idea what is going on, what is happening on any certain day or what is coming up. They are talking to other people about this, but when I go to them I get the brush off. It is literally part of their job function to communicate theses things with us. So, I have to go to others to get the information I need. They also frequently don't tell me because they assume I have been told because I should have been told.

I understand that if I wouldn't leave, they had the right to call campus security. That makes perfect sense. However, that isn't what happened. In that moment, they told me they would give me a minute to collect myself. Then they very quickly said they were calling. They didn't ask me to leave. They didn't even give me the chance to leave on my own. I did leave when they said that they were going to call (without them asking me to) and went home and they still called campus security AFTER I left.

I don't make it a regular thing to wander through just to hang out. I was supposed to be returning that tool at that time, that's what I'd told them when I borrowed it. However, they weren't working, they were just standing around chatting.

They know I have trouble expressing how I am fearful when it comes to expressing how I am feeling about various things, which is why they said I wouldn't get it trouble. They have never had a problem with me expressing how their actions were affecting me. In fact they praised me for it. They said it made it easier for them to understand where I was coming from, and said they would try to adjust their behavior accordingly.

The thing is, they never even gave a reason for saying why I can't come back. My dean, who is supposed to be protecting my interests, just accepted that and moved on. She basically said she didn't know how to handle the situation (even though it is her job), and told me good luck. I have lost thousands, because building up to campus safety being called, they were already severely cutting me out of many extra events. I have work study at school, so I am required to make $1000 per semester and in the past I have typically made around $3000 per semester with this job alone. Halfway through this semester, I only made $200, which doesn't even cover my basic expenses. That's why I have lost thousands. There isn't another job on campus that isn't a desk job. There isn't another job on campus in which I can make that much. There isn't another job on campus where I can just say I can't come to work or need to leave early, for whatever reason, without much notice (this is a general rule for everyone in this job, not specifically for me, and I have only ever done it twice in 3 years). Even if there were, I can barely even function now because this situation has been so stressful.

I wish I could hold my head high, walk in, and just deal, but I can't. I can't even see their cars in front of the building without bursting into tears. So, I don't know what would happen if I encountered them in person. I don't have friends to act as a buffer either. Most of the people there have no idea what is going on and probably assume I am still close with them (which would likely lead to a terrible situation for me). I am terrified that if I even walk back into the building they will simply call campus safety again, and campus safety has no idea what they are doing and cause more harm.

I understand that they aren't completely in the wrong a work stand point. Don't get me wrong I know I have screwed up a lot in this situation too. But this also isn't a traditional work environment. It is very relaxed, flexible, student oriented, and above all is intended to be a learning environment. Most of the employees aren't even qualified (but I am). In the past, they have had no problem saying that something I or anyone else is doing is impeding work, and I have always complied immediately to change that. I have done my best to stick to their rules, I do a much better job than a lot of the other students (many other people have said as much to me). I work more hours than any other student, but I get nothing for that (when other students do get "extras" for that). I keep giving them alternatives to what is happening (that are totally doable/what they have done for other people), I offered to work with another member in the department (who would be happy to have me), but they don't even respond (through the dean).

They just keep stonewalling me without any explanation for anything. They don't say I am interrupting work/creating an unsafe environment/say anything I do needed to change. They set up an environment where the things I was doing were supposedly perfectly fine. That's what I have always been told. If that was no longer the case, I should at least have been told, and given a chance to fit into the new expectations. Throwing me out without any warning or explanation? It just doesn't seem right. Especially since they still employ people who have done things that are dangerous on multiple occasions or have wandered off during long parts of the shift without any explanation (I've never done either). I have always adjusted to their rules when they tell me to.
 
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