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An Initial Hello...New Carer

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nickfreeman

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Hi All,

Just wanted to break the ice and make my first post.

I have ventured onto here as a carer, having spent a few weeks trying to come to terms with discovering that my girlfriend may have ptsd. I say may as we havent actually had the discussion yet, just found her therapist's card whilst moving the rest of my stuff to what was our home.
Already just viewing all the various threads available I have learnt enough to stop constantly walking on shells and enabling, which by constantly trying to keep the relationship alive I was doing exactly that.
This site has already given me so much information, i'm just trying not to overload!:eek:
 
Welcome to the Forum Nick and congrats on making your first post.

I'm a sufferer.

There's a lot of information to take in on this site, so take your time.

I hope you find information that will be useful in helping you understand what your girlfriend has and is going through.

Was an official diagnosis of PTSD given to her by a professional?

johnny
 
Hi Nick,

Lots of advice and support on this forum for you (from carers and sufferers) so you made the right decision to join.

Look forward to seeing you around the forum



Helena
 
Hi,

I'm a sufferer. not a carer. You'll see lots of carers like Helena on the site, and I'm always happy to see them. It can't be easy maintaining a relationship with a sufferer sometimes, but you'll see people here who seem to have lovely relationships. I have one, and am lucky enough to know it!

I did just wish to say that if she hasn't spoken of it, it MIGHT be because some of us have this fear/shame/guilt aspect which apparently grew out of having PTSD. You seem to be reading a lot on the site so have probably come across something pertaining to this symptom, if that's what it is. Since she seems to be in therapy, I would have to guess her healing will progress to the point where she will tell you of her diagnosis, but it can feel awful to speak of it, much less the trauma which caused it.

I credit my husband's just-plain-endlessly tolerant and loving personality with our success and for allowing me an awful lot of healing just through stability. He does maybe give me a little TOO much latitude, which is a lesson for carers in also taking care of themselves and not allowing the PTSD to wear them down, also.

Hope it wasn't too wordy an answer but wished to say hi and thanks for being here,

Anni
 
Hi all,

Thanks for your responses, it's much appreciated, so glad that I took the first step by posting, feels like a big hurdle cleared.

Johnny, I'm not certain if she has ptsd or not, but the therapist she uses is a PTSD specialist and from reading up on this site, it has kinda fallen into place. I have visited the therapist last year with her for couples counselling but no mention was made by either other party of it and I came away hearing many of the same lines that from him that I'd been hearing the weeks previous in arguments the two of us regarding my apparent failings in life,most of which were off the mark and surprised me as I'd only just met the gentleman

anni, I know what you mean, it has been on my mind that the reason she hasn't told me is through fear/guilt/shame.

I feel kinda embarrassed that I hadnt picked up on what I can now realise were clues or hints that she may have been dropping.

To give you more idea, we split last year when I had absolutely no idea how to cope with a massive change in her personality, pretty much overnight. This had been caused initially by stress at work. I've naturally been a sort of looking after type person since I looked after my younger siblings post parents divorce. I naturally went back to this mode but it just seemed like I was always in her eyes making the wrong choices. From being inseperable, we were just communicating by text until it finally blew up 3 months later when she to get out of her life.

We got back together a few months later and though I thought it would be strange and tricky going back, she was just like the girl I originally met back up with.

This year has pretty much been a repeat, fine till stressful event late summer was approaching. I could see things repeating as last year, she reverted back to working every hour and tiring herself out. i tried to talk to her about it but she took it as criticism. And since august it's been almost all texts/e mails, bar seeing her 3 times, 1 of which out of the blue, when she was disappointed I didnt sleep with her, which has never been my style,and then disappeared off the radar again. The disassociation is a strong symptom.

This made me realise I had to change the dynamics of what was happening between us

She still lives with parents due to financial reasons, but has had a stormy and unpredictable relationship with mother, who has been depressed in the past and a marriage with a guy who took all the money and left her with none plus various other incidents with other boyfriends. We were best friends years back before we lost contact, we only got together when we met up again.


I dont know how to approach her. I want to ask her if she does suffer from ptsd but am afraid that she'll think that I'm just finding fault with her.Which I'm not, I just want to reach a point where we can handle things together. Plus it's so difficult having conversations by text. And I know why she only communicates by this method, but have I just been enabling her by letting her decide how to communicate, when to communicate and about what to communicate?

Wish I'd picked up the hints now, but have always been the sort to think if you want me to know, you'll tell me when you're ready, but maybe that was my downfall?

I could talk for hours now I've started, but dont want to swamp everyone with too much info I guess...

I've not heard from her since Christmas, which has given me chance to get more perspective without worrying that I'll never see her again and hopefully will give her chance to have the time she craves to deal with things without me constantly asking how she is...
 
Hi again,

You seem as if you are far from a reactive person, and I cant tell you how helpful that can be to someone whose reactions can be pretty much all over the place.Sometimes we have no idea on the planet where on earth we are going to be on the emotional spectrum from day to day, and knwoing where our partner is going to be can act as a sort of compass. It's somewhere safe to find when nowhere else is.

It's hard to look at other's lives, traumas and relationships and be able to comment on them very diffinitively. To me it sounds as if her isolation might have kicked in, and with it the avoidance mechanism which plagues some of us. That's a tough one also because sometimes we'll avoid people because we require the isolation, then be anxiety ridden about how to get back in touch with them because we're feeling so guilty about having avoided them.We might expect them to be angry and condemning and so avoid them even more. It's exactly as convoluted and as confusing as it sounds so sorry not to be more clear.

You did seem to ask if you should demand perameters of some kind, as in are you enabling her by the kind of communicating she does. I think that would depend on what you are willing to tolerate yourself, but have to say that personally I do not feel that is enabling anything. We are healiing, facing our triggers, desensitising, and hopefully doing what we can to overcome our traumas. It feels to me as if, were you to mandate forms of communicating she is not ready for, she might have to push herself out of a comfort zone she might not be ready for yet. I could be wrong, of course, and am just speaking from what I think would be my own reactions.

Having said that, I still have to say that really the first thing is be able to make sure you take care of yourself first. I have an awful lot of respect for the people I see here who care enough about their parnters to check in here and learn what they can about PTSD. I think they also found the support though, to not allow the PTSD to wreck too much havoc in thier own lives. It's probably not easy but I see you're not alone.

I really hope you have some answers here, and take care of yourself, too,

Anni
 
Plus it's so difficult having conversations by text. And I know why she only communicates by this method, but have I just been enabling her by letting her decide how to communicate, when to communicate and about what to communicate?
Hi nick - I have struggled with this myself with my PTSD sufferer. At times I feel like he doesn't want to talk to me or see me but he will always email multiple times a day. While he's very good about staying in contact, sometimes I feel like he's keeping me at arm's length at times by restricting it only to email. You don't have the tone of voice, the facial expressions, or the immediate feedback and it can be frustrating.

Like you, I feel my PTSD sufferer will tell me what he is comfortable sharing when he is ready and as time goes on, I do hear a little more so I guess that's progress.

Glad you found the forum. There's a lot of information here and a lot of people who will help you in whatever way they can.

Jem
 
Hi:

I am a PTSD survivor, and I choose that word because, while I'm up to my eyeballs in PTSD symptoms, I'm not giving up the fight to work through the twenty years of abuse. First, it's important to understand that your girlfriend likely does not mean to hurt you when she says or does things. I don't know your situation, so the following are examples, not assumptions. If she has just emerged from a flashback and says to you, "Stay here with me; I don't want to be alone...but don't touch me!" that sends a mixed message to you, but it's not meant to. It's a glimpse into her inner turmoil. My friends have come to understand that it's not personal when I say I don't want them to touch me. If she dissociates and doesn't remember a conversation with you, it's probably because dissociation affects our memory. This is not to say issues don't need to be dealt with. You deserve to be treated with respect and care no matter what; all I'm saying is to remember the source of words and actions. Those are not excuses, just reasons. As for this matter of communication, as one who struggles with trust, abandonment, anxiety, etc. I can say that it's really important for us to be able to communicate as we are comfortable doing so. You'll find that as she learns she can trust you with what she has to say, she will likely share more information. I know that, when I try to respectfully communicate something upsetting and people start yelling at me, I automatically get defensive--that is, I might shrink back into a corner, put my arms up to deflect a blow or fight the overwhelming urge to run. While I know that very few people are going to physically hurt me, I still use those survival instincts that have been ingrained since childhood....for as long as I can remember. When you need to confront her about something, remember to express your thoughts and feelings, but to try to do so in a calm manner. It helps to recognize when one is getting defensive or angry. I find that when I am involved in a confrontation and start to get upset for whatever reason, I ask for time to process the discussion and emotion. I usually find some experience that was triggered in the confrontation. The next assertion isn't scientifically proven, but I think it's legitimate: I think we're hypersensitive to things like perceived criticism because of our trauma, especially if it's repetitive e.g. childhood or domestic abuse. It will help for you and your girlfriend to recognize triggers and try to prevent them from escalating--prevent them in a healthy manner. This is long enough, so I'll cease rambling, but I hope this helps and isn't too confusing!

NativeRose
 
I am so glad I made the decision to join this forum. I was already learning so much even before I posted, but since I took that step I have found that not only am I learning but also feel like I can have a friendly ear to share. Things that have kept going round and round my mind and I am actually beginning to feel like I have some knowledge of what's been happening. I can only make this a brief note, today, but just wanted to thank those who've replied,each of you have made some great points. NativeRose your reply has particularly struck home as you have touched upon things that although were just examples,have actually pretty much described some recent events, so they have really touched base with me, I thank you so much for that post. I shall post further tomorrow,but I really just wanted to say how much you have all helped,thank you!
 
Hi again,

Further to my last couple of posts, it has been so beneficial to hear the opinions of those who've replied to me, thank you again.

I have taken great heart that I may have been a little harsh on myself in thinking I was enabling her by going along with her desired communication methods. I have had a text since New Year just saying Happy New Year. without the information I'd digested here, I could never have seen that maybe she was anxious about how to communicate after being in avoidance for a while. I am now happier than I was to sit it out and wait for her to feel comfortable with more communication. And whilst I say sit it out, it doesn't mean that I'm just waiting for her to make contact like I normally am, I am confident in looking after me as my priority knowing a little more as to how she may be feeling...which is good as I have a job interview tomorrow to focus on :-)

i think one of the strange things about discovering all this is that suddenly you want to be able to talk to them about it, but I do know that I shall need to wait till the time is right for her. But i feel like I can now see that she may not mean to hurt me with things that are said for instance so will be better prepared for the next time we meet up, whenever that is.

I am still embarrassed that I didn't pick up on this earlier from the various hints that with the wonderful benefit of hindsight I can see. Guess I can be a bit naive sometimes.

I've never contemplated giving up on us,but I'm beginning to feel more confident that we will pull through, I always told her I was there for the long haul, I meant it.

And NativeRose, once again thank you for your post. As I said, there were parts of that which were so close to what has been happening that it almost felt like I could picture her saying it, it really did feel like a glimpse into her inner turmoil.
 
Try not to be so hard on yourself. You talked about feeling naive. You're right--it's hindsight that makes you think you should have seen something. Knowledge = empowerment, so now you're better able to understand. However, when all you had to go on were strange actions and emotional outbursts, how could you possibly understand what was going on? I'm pursuing a degree in psychology and then will go on for my M.A. in counseling. If I was in your position, it could be possible for me to spot such a thing, but that's because that sort of thing is what I'm trained to do. You're not a mental health professional...you're a person who loves her, and those things can prevent you from understanding what's going on. You're not supposed to be able to pull a diagnosis out of all the crazy things that happen. You're too personally involved to do that, anyway. That's why they don't let mental health professionals counsel their own families--because we can't be objective!

I'm glad my reply helped you to understand some of the reasons for the things that have been happening. I hope it helped you grasp the fact that you're not alone. As for your communication, it's great that you're willing to let her share at her own pace. That is essential, because there are times when people press for answers to sensitive issues, and that just makes us retreat further into ourselves as a method of protection. One thing you might consider doing is: when there is a situation in which you think a PTSD thing is involved, make note of it. Then, when things are calm again, you might gently ask her if she wants to talk about it.

You could say something like: "Before you got angry about ___, I noticed that you seemed to be feeling ___. Do you want to talk about it?" Phrasing it in a manner like that helps her to see that you're concerned and recognize it, but you're not demanding an answer. See, there are a lot of times when we just seem to snap, and if we take the time to figure out a possible reason, it can be attributed to some kind of stress. Remember that stress is defined differently for us. For example, last year, there were a lot of things going on with school, and I was asked to go to my cousin's wedding, where I would see some of the abusers.

One day, I experienced a memory or flashback (I can't remember which one), and I couldn't seem to let go of those emotions. For the rest of the week, I just felt sad and worthless, and it was all triggered by that memory. By the end of the week, I found out that one of my roommates had stolen some of my stuff, and I confronted her calmly. She got defensive and started blaming me and some others. She wouldn't even let me finish my explanation of what had happened and what I was feeling. I left the room with the increased sense that I was worthless. Then I went back to her and just....exploded. I can't remember the last time I did that--not counting that experience. She still wouldn't listen, so when I got back to my dorm room, I started thinking about an unhealthy coping skill. I initially got something out so I could deal with it in a healthy manner. Then I thought, "If I'm not worth three minutes of this girl's time, and if the abusers didn't care if I died in a fire, then it's not worth my time to struggle with this and do something healthy." So....I got things out so I could engage in the unhealthy coping skill. See, none of this is really logical. It was all touched off by one memory, and then as things built, PTSD symptoms worsened, and it culminated in this thing with my roommate and the choice for me to do something unhealthy to my body.

In typical people, none of things would have progressed as far as they did. You know, when one person told me just to let it go, I really wanted to punch her in the face. And no, I would and never have done that; it just made me so angry that she thought I could just let it go! These things all triggered reminders of the repetitive trauma in one way or another, which is why they went as far as they did. My point in all of this is that there is likely something behind these seemingly insignificant things that make her just fly off the handle or whatever it is that happens. You can take the opportunities--after things have settled down, of course--to ask her about her PTSD. This post is certainly long enough! If you would like, I can give you an idea of some questions to ask her so she's less likely to get defensive. Remember that her words and actions are still her choices but that they are highly likely to be related to her PTSD and not aimed at you. If/when she does get defensive about a perceived slight, try not to take it personally, but at the same time, recognize it because it is what she's feeling. Does this make sense, or is it just way confusing? If you want examples of how you can respond to her, I would be happy to post them--a part of the training I just finished in school is directly related to dealing with crisis and trauma.

NativeRose
 
Thank you again, for the words of encouragement.

it's uncanny how many things resurface in my mind just from reading on this forum. Even little things like her questioning me once when i said i'd had a 'flashback' once. To me i was just referring to something reminding me of something, now I can see why this may have been so relevant.

And why even though we're both sailing in debt, I can speak openly and have asked for help from various organisations to my benefit, whereas she is a more closed book on her affairs, not wanting my advice even though the debt has been crippling her.She comes across to everyone as such a strong, wise, high functioning character that I sometimes I just find myself doubting what I know even though it's worked for me. Am I right in thinking that the shame has been hidden deeply under an image sometimes?

Think I do need to remind myself that whilst I keep wishing that I'd known more/put 2 and 2 together earlier(grrr), I didn't, but I'm actively trying to learn more and more every day.

Have a 'snow day' today here, so have been using my unexpected bonus time well. I think at the core of me not knowing was that I was as you say too involved, it's crossed my mind many times that had we just been friends these past years like we once were I wouldn't have been as hurt as I was sometimes and probably be of more use to her instead of taking things to heart. But you live and you learn...

Reading about your symptoms from last year has helped me to try and understand how 1 memory can be the start of a whole cycle. I think this maybe what happened this summer with the stressful event on the horizon. Maybe me mentioning that I was scared she was working too hard reminded her of the stress that she went through last year too. But I was only trying to look after her health which I could see weakening. But all I did was see her 'shrink into a corner'...and then run. With regard to when you experienced what happened last year, do you confront it on your own or have you confided in anyone? Would having someone just being 'present' have helped?

It'd be great if you could give me an idea regarding questions and how to respond. All help gratefully received! I really dont want to make things worse anymore and I can see that this could happen. I'm just trying to build up as bigger understanding as I can whilst we're apart...and it's hard because my mind doesn't respond in the way hers or yours may do to potential stressful scenarios. That's I guess why reading your last post was so helpful in that respect as it gave me an insight into that thought process.

By the way I think it's great that you're thinking of going into counselling, I have already benefited from your posts. (I know she wants to change career at some point to maybe more of a role where she can help people in her field, just the financial thing stopping her at the moment. She always seems to be so giving...even to people who don't warrant it..which is why I notice the change when that stops).


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