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”she tried to anger me”

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thats a lot of questions that could take a huge post to answer.

Yes, she goes to a therapist. Without getting too deep. her mom was probably borderline, her father died when she was too young, and then she was sexually abused by the father of a friend. Her grandparents were murdered, her mother physically attacked one of our kids (child is an adult now, mother is dead). She was then fired by an employer of 20 years so she could be replaced by part time workers and is finally, after years of red tape, now declared legally disabled. And retired and a grandmother! Things are looking up for her, hope springs eternal.

I think she provokes me because it has worked in the past. It probably started with me getting angry, yelling, and then just saying to hell with it, do what you want, then cleaning up the mess after. She isn't capable of more than a two or three step logic chain, and doesn't understand rhetoric or falacious argument. Rather than support an argument and agree on a conclusion, when she wants something she knows I wont like she just plays the anger card and I skip the anger and get ready for the mess. Or she agrees that something will or wont happen and it does anyway. Then the excuse is all that matters, not the loss of integrity or risk of provoking anger. If I do get angry, I can be sure it will never change, the thing will happen until it doesn't, or it never will unless she decides on her own that it will. And I clean up more and bigger messes.
So, thats probably why she provokes me, because I havent just packed up and left yet and she gets to do whatever she wants and the risk of anger is more of a risk to me than it is to her, by far.

why does why matter? who cares?

the last question is easy. I work. I fish. i build things. i landscape our huge yard. and I work some more. I plan adventures for me and my grandkid. I collect a lot of really cool toys and play with them, i have a job that involves almost non stop problem solving and I am more or less a mad scientist inventor type, so if I feel anger coming, I try to switch gears and if I am not off on another tangent pretty soon I am just not trying, there is always a problem to solve sitting on my desk. I am the kind of guy that can sit in a room, staring at a wall, trying to remember and sketch where the tables and chairs and machines and doors are in the room without realising for 15 minutes that I am sitting at a table in the room staring at a wall of the room, trying to ignore the hum of the machines I am sketching.

Enough is my name, and I chose it because I was tired of being angry at my wife, at traffic, at morons in general, at politics, at society, basically everything. Just ENOUGH. and I am better for it and I see a therapist and thats pretty much the answer to all of the questions yiou asked, isn't it? enough
 
Things are looking up for her, hope springs eternal.

Yeah I can see you are really happy for your wife....

Sounds like she has had her fair share of trauma. And you too.

Yes, she goes to a therapist.
And this Therapist is helping her to do what?

she provokes me because it has worked in the past.

But you stopped the yelling and you cannot negotiate compromise?

I havent just packed up and left yet and she gets to do whatever she wants and the risk of anger is more of a risk to me than it is to her, by far.

I note the 'yet' in this. Why should you be at risk of her continued abusive behaviour? Cleaning up her messes and switching to another gear to avoid her tantrums? Is the risk purely financial if you were to stop accepting this type of behaviour from her? Does she become violent with you?

Enough is my name, and I chose it because I was tired of being angry at my wife, at traffic, at morons in general, at politics, at society, basically everything. Just ENOUGH. and I am better for it and I see a therapist and thats pretty much the answer to all of the questions yiou asked, isn't it? enough

Yeah you answered my questions...thank you @enough:cautious: I didn't ask these questions for the hell of it @enough. I asked them because you did and do sound pretty p**d off with the way your wife behaves. Actually you sound tired of most things. How does your therapist help with this relationship problem or do you have your own trauma (PTSD)?

I can easily see why traffic, morons, politics and a lot of society would tire a normal person. I think these may be universally tiring problems. :banghead:
 
Ok. The guy in my original post, has begged to talk on the phone about why I won't go any further with him.

I'm inclined to just say nope. Done. Stop. I owe no explainstion. But part of me wants to "be nice" and agree to an online chat to explain it to him.

Am I being ridiculous?
 
Am I being ridiculous?
He wants to talk to you... about why you won’t talk to him. :O_o:

One of you is being ridiculous.

...but I don’t really think it’s you.

Unless you call him. At which point we will have a conversation about how INCREASING the level of intimacy is not decreasing -much less ceasing- all contact. ;)

But part of me wants to "be nice" and agree to...
If it helps? It’s not being nice to encourage bad behavior.

The level of whining you give in at? Is the minimum level of whining that will happen next time. To you, or to someone else. Because SHE gave in after 5 days of whining. So we’re only on day 3. I could do this all week long.

Pleaaaaase? What did I do? I just need to blah blah blah bitch moan whine complain guilt trip beg sniffle reverse psych flatter plead bitch moan whine complain blah blah blah....

:eek:
 
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JMH, you don't need a reason to cease any and all contact with this guy. The kids call it "ghosting" and if there was ever a reason to do it, this is it.

I met my wife through online dating. This guy is breaking one of the cardinal rules of online AND OFFLINE dating - if someone doesn't want to talk to you anymore, you accept it and move on. If that's not a red flag, I don't know what one is.

You don't owe him any more of your time. You don't owe him anything. He should count himself lucky he got as much of you as he did, and move on.
 
has begged to talk on the phone about why I won't go any further with him.
This would be an awkward conversation and he will mostly likely not agree with your views.

part of me wants to "be nice" and agree to an online chat to explain
That could take a long time and still be really awkward because and how do you say 'you are not for me because.... nicely?

Am I being ridiculous?
No but he is. :sneaky:

I really don't think you need to join the dots for him.

How many nice ways can you say you @Justmehere are just too good for him. :singing::)
 
When I met my birthparents (I was 19), he kept trying to get me to be angry. I didn't understand it at all but looking back on it now, I think it gave him power over me to get me angry. I never gave it to him. It was interesting too, because I didn't have anyone in my life at that time that had ever attempted to do this to me before but the feeling was familiar. I think he did this to me prior to my adoption. Some people are just sadists. They feel control over pushing one into different states.

I recently had an incident with a guy similar to what you are talking about. He would call me 15 times a day. I had a really difficult time extricating myself from the situation, so I get in my own way, your inability to manage his requests based on what you want. I didn't want to hurt this guy either. It ended. Badly. Drunken rage is what happened. I shut it down completely, but looking at it in retrospect, it would have been better to listen to my gut feeling and cut it off right there. I would have cut myself out of his drama altogether.

I am still a work in progress on this type of issue.
 
I don’t get myself at the moment. I have said nothing to him. I figure that’s better than doing the wrong thing. Maybe?

My therapist says I’m great at holding boundaries, “more so than most people” - but this one... this has got me. I look at his last message and go to type the response to say no... but everything in my brain says, “but...”

I think my loneliness and general life confusion at the moment is fueling my denial. And my desire for an escape from my crappy life. I need to work on those outside of this stuff. I am.

You all are right. I should not engage.
 
Not sure what age group you are in, JMH but I have been doing some reflection on why I had such a difficult time as well. I am positive that I was trained to follow a guys lead in a relationship. And this guy was like that too. 'Well, I will see where this relationship is going to go'. Meanwhile I had said a million times that I was not at all interested in romanticizing it. Like.None. I kept saying stuff and he kept speaking over me. Much like my childhood.

I know I was trained into that pattern of thinking - not being listened to - having to explain and have him understand (which was never going to happen) - taking a more subservient role (even though I am not subservient). So many things. In the midst of unlearning it right now. It's a heavy responsibility to have so many choices as we heal. The result of those choices is all on me now.
 
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