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[Justmehere]

Meanwhile, Dead Link RemovedWhile I completely disagree with his position in every way, it’s not hard to imagine how he got to this point.

 

[scout86]

@cactus_jack , thanks for the reply. I don't see things the same way you do, but that wasn't what I was looking for. I KNOW how I see things. I'm more interested in learning how other people think. I DO agree with a lot of what you said. And I do try to listen to as much of an actual speech as I can.

I'm not sure what to think as far as trusting the media goes. I actually, personally saw some of those things you described with President Obama. When I've seen or heard what I believe to be the actual speech and then I hear someone spin it like that, I know they aren't a credible source. From then on, I might listen to them out of curiosity, but I will have a hard time believing them. Although a lot of media people clearly don't like President Trump, I haven't, personally, heard his words edited to sound like their meaning is different than it sounded when I heard the original. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, just that I have yet to see it.

As far as Putin goes, personally, I don't trust him. I'm sure he'll lie when ever it suits his purposes. But I think he'll at least lie for rational reasons. I think, if you understand his goals and his motives, his behavior will make sense, like it or not. I can also see where, in dealing with him, it might be ok to at least act like you trust him.

I'm far more creeped out by how the rest of the republican power-players reacted.

Me too! And I'm also pretty frustrated with the Democrats. I sincerely wish there was a way to ONLY allow public funding of campaigns, and that we could ban political parties all together. It seems like whoever is running both parties is only interested in "winning" and that has nothing to with making the world a better place. (One of my personal conspiracy theories is that both parties are really run by the same group and this whole mess is just a plan to keep us peons distracted while they do what suits them.)

 

[Deleted member 487]

Scout, you can trust both Trump and Putin. But you also get to decide how far. Trump has a lot of rules and regs to follow when he does anything.

 

[Justmehere]

Contrary to popular belief Sarah Sanders IS the best source of info.

She is paid to spin to put things in the best light for the president. That’s her job. It is not her job to provide multiple viewpoints and the full facts.

when the Russians (yes, I said “when”) break the trust, the pie is in their face, not ours.

You expect them to break trust. This means they are untrustworthy.

You are implying they culturally require others to be willing victims (offer trust that one expects to be abused and broken) or they won’t work with someone. I believe that’s a bit insulting of the culture. Where is your evidence that Russian culture works this way?

The international community sees this and will side with us.

Have you seen what Russia has done in the UK murdering people there or Ukraine or etc. Is the international community backing up them? Not really. The US is even less liked.

you can trust both Trump and Putin.

They are politicians. I do not place my hope or trust is any one man, or woman, or two of them. I don’t join cults of personality, don’t subscribe to party line positions, but rather look for principles to follow and rely upon.

As for Trump and Putin, they both have histories of habitual lying. Maybe they are a perfect match for each other but that doesn’t make them trustworthy.

Perhaps most importantly, your arguments are unpersuasive. Ex: you have not given any reasons or pointed to any evidence as to why one should trust Putin. You have indicated you expect Russia under his leadership would break trust. That does not persuade hesitant folks to trust him.

 

[scout86]

She is paid to spin to put things in the best light for the president.

That was kind of my thought too. I have to admit, I've been impressed with the way she does her job. I know I couldn't do it. But, what I believe there is that she's saying what the administration wants us to believe. (And I'd say the same for any other spokesperson.) It might be true and accurate. It might not. You need independent confirmation of that. What it IS is what they want you to hear. That's worth knowing too. Whether you believe it or not.

 

[Deleted member 487]

Sarah Sanders is required by law to provide the facts. It's an ethics issue. Justmehere, you're right. We expect the Russians to break their end of the deal. That's international politics for ya. They break their word and it gives the US a Brownie Button and moral support from other countries. You don't seem to realize that as much as we hate to play games, that's all international politics is. Just a big mess of Whodunit and Monopoly. You keep feeding them Scrabble until they crap out ConnectFour.
THAT is what people don't get about politics. It's just a big game.
And really, unless there is a nuclear shootout between Russia and the US, whatever you hear or see about the two, will not affect any of you in the least. It can only affect you as much as you let it.

Do you guys even realize that we had already, in the past 12 months, had several military engagements with Russian military? I'm not talking about a wrestling match, I'm talking about shooting at each other. Their ground troops have killed our ground troops, and as retribution we go in and take out one of their mobile air bases. Our military kills their ground troops and they hit our guys with cruise missiles. You didn't know that, did you? ANY of that, did you? I bet not.
And it did not affect you, your life, your family or your way of living, not one iota. Nor will it.
That's just the way it is.

And then, today I heard they have recordings of Trump offering to pay off another one of his girlfriends. If it is during his role are President, then it certainly IS our business. If it's before his election, who cares? It does not affect his role as POTUS any.
You guys are letting the media play emotional tug of war with you. You have enough trouble dealing with your PTSD issues, don't let the political games suck you in. You'll only lose. And THAT is what the media wants.

 

[Justmehere]

And it did not affect you, your life, your family or your way of living, not one iota. Nor will it.

You could not be more wrong in so many ways. First of all, I’m going to a wedding tomorrow. Between and American and a very dear and close friend who is Russian. She gets crap for this mess. Before you make sweeping generalizations no American is impacted by international politics, maybe you should think bigger? I could go on and on all the be other ways I’m impacted. More on this later.

Sarah Sanders is required by law to provide the facts. It's an ethics issue.

.... so about ethics....

And then, today I heard they have recordings of Trump offering to pay off another one of his girlfriends.

Sigh.

Moving on.

Being required to tell the truth, isn’t the same as verification that one is telling the truth or all the truth that I need to know.

But I’m more baffled by your claim that no American lives are ever affected by what the commander in chief does in regards to international affairs. Really? And you claim this on a board full of veterans? Huh. Where is your evidence no decisions made by the commander in chief in regards to international politics ever affects a single American life?

You don't seem to realize that as much as we hate to play games, that's all international politics is. Just a big mess of Whodunit and Monopoly. You keep feeding them Scrabble until they crap out ConnectFour.

Let me be clear:

You are asking I trust people you state are playing games. You stated Trump and Putin can be trusted. And you state they are playing games.

So your stance is that I, as a PTSD sufferer, should trust people because they are manipulative game players. How is that a healthy way to operate in life?

That is not persuasive to motivate me to risk trusting them.

These matters do impact my life. Beyond cross cultural weddings, and all the places our commander in chief sends our military, tariffs will continue to lead to price increases on products I buy, protests will increase (and they often march by my street), etc, etc. I have friends stuck and unable to return to the US due to travel bans. International politics impacts my life.

I care what my country does abroad. That’s not going to change.

 

[Sideways]

They break their word and it gives the US a Brownie Button and moral support from other countries.

Perhaps remember this is an international forum.

It gets a bit irritating to read statements like this which seem to assume that the rest of the world is completely uninformed and that this is how things would play out.

Recent mass protests against Trump (which were distinctly anti-Trump, not anti-American) throughout his recent tour of Europe would suggest that in many parts of the world, the population is surprisingly well informed on these issues, and that we do have a memory that extends beyond Trump’s latest handshake or Twitter outburst.

 

[Deleted member 487]

I will apologize, because when I wrote that post I had previously had a discussion with a woman in the community that is going through this whole mess, and she is severely impaired because of her mental healthy issues. She has a history of making things up to involve herself, and then to express her anger over how people handle her BS.


Justmehere
“You could not be more wrong in so many ways. First of all, I’m going to a wedding tomorrow. Between and American and a very dear and close friend who is Russian. She gets crap for this mess.”
Really? I mean really really? She gets crap for the international politics, right? First I have to say that I think you’re full of crap and lying about it, or two, she has the worst luck in encountering impotent fools repeatedly. And so you’re going to hold me, of all people, accountable for the actions of the impotent fools. Do you really think I’m THAT stupid to fall for such a line?


“Before you make sweeping generalizations no American is impacted by international politics, maybe you should think bigger? I could go on and on all the be other ways I’m impacted. More on this later.”
Economically, yes. Politically, yes. Socially, I doubt it.

“Being required to tell the truth, isn’t the same as verification that one is telling the truth or all the truth that I need to know.”
Well, that is where we can agree that we disagree.

“But I’m more baffled by your claim that no American lives are ever affected by what the commander in chief does in regards to international affairs. Really? And you claim this on a board full of veterans? Huh. Where is your evidence no decisions made by the commander in chief in regards to international politics ever affects a single American life?”
Considering what I said earlier....
Oh, BTW, I also served. US Army. No combat however.

“Let me be clear:”
Ok, be clear. You be clear and I’ll gonna be mauve.

“You are asking I trust people you state are playing games. You stated Trump and Putin can be trusted. And you state they are playing games.”
Yep. You can decide for yourself on who to trust. I trust them. Not like it’s anything important. I mean, like, what good does it do? You’re not trusting them with your car keys, or the keys to your home. Unless you have personal physical involvement with them, it doesn’t mean anything for you trust or not to trust.

“So your stance is that I, as a PTSD sufferer, should trust people because they are manipulative game players. How is that a healthy way to operate in life?”
That’s life. You can decide who to trust or not.

“These matters do impact my life. Beyond cross cultural weddings, and all the places our commander in chief sends our military, tariffs will continue to lead to price increases on products I buy, protests will increase (and they often march by my street), etc, etc. I have friends stuck and unable to return to the US due to travel bans. International politics impacts my life.”
I agree. However, I also disagree.

“I care what my country does abroad. That’s not going to change.”
Hmmm. Maybe.

Sideways
“Perhaps remember this is an international forum.”
I know it is.

“It gets a bit irritating to read statements like this which seem to assume that the rest of the world is completely uninformed and that this is how things would play out.”
Whoa, there! I never considered the world to be ignorant or inferior.

“Recent mass protests against Trump (which were distinctly anti-Trump, not anti-American) throughout his recent tour of Europe would suggest that in many parts of the world, the population is surprisingly well informed on these issues, and that we do have a memory that extends beyond Trump’s latest handshake or Twitter outburst.”
That’s fine if they want to hold protests.

 

[blackemerald1]

I think, please - you ought to cool it down CJ.:cool:;)
You are so defensive and people here are entitled to hate/love/embrace/reject politicians and policy as they wish. That's democracy in action:joyful:
You do not have to defend POTUS but if you choose to do so please don't shout down the opposing viewpoint.:singing:
Your military experience isn't relevant by your own admission so why mention it? :sorry: People are entitled to their own opinions and you are too. And really I love reading and commenting if I feel like it on politics - it's interesting to hear other's views and even reassuring at times. :hug:

And...don't shout back at me please...:joyful:

 

[Fadeaway]

My husband has a friend who lost his buisness over marrying a Russian. His business partner/ investor called it quits specifically because of his hatred of Russians blamed the new wife. So I belive JMH.

I don't watch news, I dont even have a t.v. but I do watch the pressconfrences. I pay attention to my sources for articles I read. Of course I tend to belive the employees of welfare square and what Trump did when he was there.

So thankful I escaped that misogynistic place, and my self esteem is slowly comming back now that I remember what it is like to be treated like a human again.

Do you follow trumps tweets and listen to his speaches?

 

[Justmehere]

@cactus_jack - You tout your skills of persuasion and yet...

First I have to say that I think you’re full of crap and lying

You fail to persuade...or use any skills of persuasion.

You undercut your own position too. Again. Trump favoring media and people actually blame democrats for discrimination against Russians in the US and see it as further grounds for the Democrats to stop the investigation into Trump’s ties to Russia.