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what do other people think of as healthy independence
my guess -- healthy independence means hubby won't cease to exist when I isolate. That he has the ability to continue to do what needs to be done, go along in his life , have his friends, job, blah blah and when I pop back up... we are back together.

I need someone who can be ok with me being unreliable at times. Who can hold his ground when I'm running. Who can not make me feel guilty because I'm not around.
 
I think for me, it would be easier if he didn't feel the need to call it a "breakup" every time. That's what makes it unsafe for me. Because then I'm left to wonder every time if he "really means it." When you break up twice a year anywhere from a couple hours to weeks, it's hard to say.
This time, a few things seem different, but everything else is the same. He is still responding and making plans, but is not doing a couple things that were for my mental well being like saying goodnight every night. It seems trivial, but we agreed a long time ago we would always do that. I don't know if it's in purpose or not.
But that's the one part that hurts right now. That saying goodnight isn't regular and that was always my sign he was okay. It was a sign we were going to be okay. It was a sign I matter, even if for just a little bit. It's stupid, because he is talking, and texting, slowly opening up, that should show me I matter too. But not seeing goodnight interferes with my sleep. I guess maybe I should stop texting it to him. That's the only reply that I've come to rely on, and not getting it keeps me awake. Maybe I'll keep doing it, but stop relying on it back.

I actually don't know what to do. I guess this time I'm different too. I'm not doing some of the enabling things I've done in the past either. I can't help but think if I could actually get some sleep, I could problem solve a bit better.
As far as him needing the time and space, I have no problem with letting him have it. I always have plenty to do and take care of. I'm just struggling this time with how much to detach and how present to be. I don't want to be up his rear end, but I want him to know I'm here and I care. Plus I like knowing he does too.

Why is this harder for me to figure out this time? It's it from hearing my "supporters" telling me to walk away and make him beg to come back? I don't know. It's exhausting and I've told them that's not helping me because our relationship isn't normal, and I'm okay with that. They say bs....he just keeps showing you that you don't matter and he doesn't want you. I don't agree. I don't think it's got much of anything to do with me. There's one friend, though that says give him his space. He loves you and you're connection is special so he'll be back after he fights his demons.

What do you guys think? I mean, I treat it like a breakup, but I don't, if that makes sense. Like I try to let myself go through the grieving process and prepare myself for if it's "real" this time. Honestly, it is real to me, because it's always the "death" of our "old" relationship to me. I never try to go back, only forward. I try to use each break as a springboard to a new better relationship between us every time. We've grown from it each time.

I don't want to leave him, but he really seems to be pushing exceptionally hard this time. I might have to let go as completely as I can to let him figure it out. Boy this is tough. @Freida, boy I could use lessons from your hubby today, lol.

I guess I'm just trying to say, isolation isn't hard for me to deal with, but the breakup label is... like I look like a fool for being invested in a relationship that doesn't exist anymore. I hate looking stupid. Like....it triggers the crap out of me to look foolish. I mean to the point it's probably unhealthy. Like I get a lot of my self worth from being smart.

Ohhhh lightbulb! Maybe I should focus on being invested in him, the man I love...and not worry about the relationship. It seems like a simple concept, but a bit foreign. I can maybe do that and still be true to myself too. I can be authentically me and honor myself and still love him too.

Maybe take a bigger step back, but work on our connection, safer connection. Maybe I need to give him even more space to work on his healing. I know we're in different places right now. It wasn't hard for me to be with him while I processed, so I maybe take for granted he would be okay too.

It will likely be messier for him. He might feel he can't process if he has to be "a strong man " "for me". I don't know how to make him see, I don't need him to be, and I won't think less of him. This feels like a powerful revelation to me for some reason, as simple and common sense as it may seem as a concept.

The reality is, I enjoy doing things with him. I enjoy our life. I have fun when he's around. I miss him being loving to me, though. I miss him wanting me. Things do need to change. But can they? I think only time will tell, but only after he starts working through his stuff...stuff he'll have to do alone.

Maybe my own mental issues have prevented me understanding this. Maybe I'm scared to put it into action because of what my family will say. I get tired of fighting on all fronts...but I don't have to buy into the false dichotomy. There is something more than black and white. Our relationship is definitely a shade of gray.

Boy, I must sound absolutely crazy! I blame the sleep deprivation. Now if I could just get the nightmares to go away, maybe I can process all of this.
 
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I think you are making perfect sense.
Why is this harder for me to figure out this time?
Because you have changed. You are seeing it from a different place in YOUR life.
He loves you and you're connection is special so he'll be back after he fights his demons.
Yep.
boy I could use lessons from your hubby today, lol.
I think it is way easier for him than it is for you just because he is a guy. he doesn't get as entangled in the emotional part. Plus we have been at it for a long time so we've worked out some of the big stuff. Mostly by setting rules I have to follow. Like no taking off without telling him where I am going. And you have NO idea how hard that one is to stick to
It will likely be messier for him. He might feel he can't process if he has to be "a strong man " "for me". I don't know how to make him see, I don't need him to be, and I won't think less of him. This feels like a powerful revelation to me for some reason, as simple and common sense as it may seem as a concept.[/QUOT
Because it is huge. And i'm not sure you can make him see -- which might be why he takes off. I wonder if he doesn't is undone by the thought of you seeing him fall apart - which is why he uses physical distance??
 
My friend W's baby died today. She was born way too soon and never stood a chance. They tried to save her for about 8 hours before they took her off life support. W has ptsd and reacts almost exactly like I do when shit happens. Shut down, deal, isolate. So over the day W and I did what we do - shut down and work the problem. And the longer it went on the less emotional we got.

She has a non-ptsd cousin, E, who is very emotional -- like a normal person. E wants to cuddle and console when things go wrong. She wants to call 14 times a day to make sure you are ok. She wants to hug and send cookies and care packages. She wants to smother to show she cares. This drives W nuts at the best of times but she tolerates it. For something like this? No. NO. NO

Our reactions were very confusing to E. Then I added to it by telling her that W is probably going to go straight into isolation and she won't be responding to emails, phone calls, nothing. Because her brain is on overdrive and can't take in any more information. She can't escape these feelings and she can't cope with them. So boom. Off goes everything until it's safe to turn it back on. Might be an hour, might be a month, might be never. It will take as long as it takes. I know this because it is exactly what I would do.

E is trying so hard to wrap her mind around it. She is going to have to go against every instinct she has for "friend in crisis" mode. She can't call, cheer up, sympathize, use any of those things she would do with a normal friend. Because, I told her, it will just make it worse.

Then she asked me why. Why does it make it worse?

I have no answer for that. What W is doing makes perfect sense to me. I just have no way of explaining it. All i can think of is that when people try to help like that it feels like I'm being pecked to death by chickens and I want to smack them.

Does this make us monsters?
Does it mean we don't care?
Does it mean we don't grieve?

No. It makes us people who survived by shutting off our emotions to save our lives. We are good at it. And it works. Until it doesn't. But that day isn't today so it doesn't matter.

Maybe that is the difference between us and them. We confine our feelings and they don't. They feel. Right then, in the moment. We don't - so we can survive. Maybe I have no idea what to tell E because the distance between us is just to far apart.
 
I'm not sure that represents everyone with PTSD, though.

I feel things all the time. I feel things at the appropriate times. I DON'T bottle up my feelings.

The main problem is ... I feel stuff about the wrong things, and sometimes I feel the wrong stuff about the right things. Today I was anxious as hell, which is a feeling. I was anxious about going to a yoga class in a new place. Then I went out to an extremely crowded place and had a meltdown. Oh, I felt stuff. None of it, though, was appropriate.
 
need someone who can be ok with me being unreliable at times. Who can hold his ground when I'm running. Who can not make me feel guilty because I'm not around

Yes, totally this!

I'm running because something caused me to feel unsafe, unrealated to the person usually. But even if it is related to the relationship, its the relationship, not the person. And I'm running to feel safe again. Which, I have to do.
 
Yes, totally this!

I'm running because something caused me to feel unsafe, unrealated to the person usually. But even if it is related to the relationship, its the relationship, not the person. And I'm running to feel safe again. Which, I have to do.
Thank you for this insight. So much of the time I blame myself. Today has been a really hard day. This just popped up on my phone. I've been beating myself up and now this. Coincidence? I think not. Prayers going up and thanking my guardian angels for this. And lost? You helped me so much. So thankful. Paths cross for a reason :)
 
So a shout out to all the supporters and what you have taught me along the way.
I talked with E for bit yesterday again - trying to help her get a grasp on this whole isolation thing. I told her about what I have learned from you all on what it's like on your side of this mess and how much pain we can cause without even knowing it. And that her confusion about why W is cutting her off was completely normal - because i see it here over and over. She seemed like she was ok with it when we got done talking -- though I'm sure we will talk again because it was a bit for her to get mind around. I think it was the first time anyone had ever really talked with her about what ptsd was and how it works. I am soooo very glad I had all of you to learn from!
 
So a shout out to all the supporters and what you have taught me along the way.
I talked with E for bit yesterday again - trying to help her get a grasp on this whole isolation thing. I told her about what I have learned from you all on what it's like on your side of this mess and how much pain we can cause without even knowing it. And that her confusion about why W is cutting her off was completely normal - because i see it here over and over. She seemed like she was ok with it when we got done talking -- though I'm sure we will talk again because it was a bit for her to get mind around. I think it was the first time anyone had ever really talked with her about what ptsd was and how it works. I am soooo very glad I had all of you to learn from!
@Freida So today I emailed him and nicely explained how his disappearing and cutting me off completely affected me. How the fact that he will not even send a short email to say he's ok is painful. Look I know PTSD is the issue yet my side deserves to be acknowledged. Because eventually he will reappear and he needs to know that everything is not always according to what he wants and how he feels. I hope he files the info away in his head and perhaps it will allow him to take the first step towards help. Again, I can't stress enough to other supporters that reach out to sufferers. Treat the person with empathy and compassion. Put yourself in their situation. How you word and approach someone is important. Which is why I chose my words carefully in that email. Thank you again for all your insight. It's been eye opening and comforting.
 
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