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There is some progress, the type most people on here would almost give anything for...but of course, my impatient butt is TIRED. It's so much slower than normal. But he's doing the work. He's going to his EMDR every week. He's been faithful to it. He's trying so hard. I see it. He even is acknowledging my progress. Why does it have to be like this? Why can't he just accept my support without making it such a colossal project?! I'm just not sure what to do anymore. I feel like I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. There's literally nothing I can do. There's nothing I can say. So I feel like a failure sometimes for staying. Then, I would feel like a complete failure if I leave, especially when there's progress. Now, there are days that I don't know if you could feed a mouse on these breadcrumbs...but other days, there is an abundance. I really need to make a decision and go with it one of these days, because I'm almost becoming as in and out as he is.

I'm sorry, I'm exhausted too NaeNae, and no sign of change or initiative on the part of M on this end so preparing to surrender soon I think. Every word you say here rings true to me too. The breadcrumbs you mention are almost worse than nothing to me. It just confuses me more and makes me want to hang on when he won't fully communicate but won't fully let me go either. I think that becomes very selfish. I guess I'm going to have to stop reaching out at all until he can say more than 4 word sentences.

You, though, lots of good words in this letter so perhaps there's hope for you two. I wish I had more to say to encourage. I am with you. Colossal is a good way to describe it, and I too wonder why they can't accept support more easily. You are not a failure at all, and as long as there's solid progress and you guys can feel momentum, there seems to be hope. But I do agree, life marches on and we may both have to assess what we can and can't accommodate for the long run. I certainly cannot live in emotional starvation mode like this more than another week, maybe two before I call it. You have much more to grasp onto it would seem.

I hope our new years will both bring happy progress in whatever ways that needs to happen!
 
I know for me, he does offer essentially everything he has. Things could be so much easier if he would stop trying to manage me and worried more about managing himself. He overthinks/ complicates everything by doing that. He doesn't like to follow his own "rules". I've heard a lot on here, that some people isolate because their stress cup is overflowing and they can't handle taking on the other persons "stuff" too. But I think what doesn't get taken into consideration is that in our situation, I not only don't need him to manage my feelings, I don't want him to.

I'm a functioning adult capable of handling what the world dishes out. The fact I'm managing my PTSD proves it. I don't know why he doesn't understand that having me be there helps remove some of the stress too. The one thing I've started to realize on my own journey and from reading a lot of journals here is that a lot of us feel this weird need to suffer alone. Almost like we're unworthy if we aren't suffering alone. I don't understand why we feel a need to forgive ourselves for the way our brains chose to keep us survivors. Like, we feel somehow we deserve the pain and suffering somehow. I don't know if I'm explaining it right. I wish I could wrap my head around it. I think that's one of the keys to true healing.

I believe that until we can accept that we are worthy and deserving of love for ourselves and forgive ourselves....no scratch that....realize we did nothing we need to be forgiven for, we're going to continue to suffer until we learn the lesson. Also, in conjunction with that, realize that there are indeed good worthy people in the world that will also love us, and not hurt us. Learn that we can coexist. I've heard over and over from all of the "experts" that we are innately social creatures. In reality, the way our brain chemistry reacts upon healthy human interaction genuinely supports it. Why can't we reconnect that part? Why do we make things so very complicated when they don't need to be? Why do we blame ourselves and continue to be our worst critics? Why is it so easy for us to feel compassion for others, be willing to suffer for it, but not show ourselves the tiniest morsel of love sometimes? How do we fix it for ourselves? What is the path?

I'm trying my best to figure it out. Along the journey, I'm going to do my best to be a cartographer. I'm sure there has to be a treasure map somewhere if we just put all the puzzle pieces together. I know there are days I feel that treasure is right under my nose, but I just can't see it. It keeps alluding me. So I spin in circles trying to find it for myself, then I spin trying to decide what to do with our relationship.

I think we (in our relationship) really have a situation where he projects so much stuff onto me. Stuff from himself, stuff from his ex, stuff from his father. He projects it to me, gets angry or uncomfortable with me for things that have very little to actually do with me then pushes me away. I think that he feels safe in "controlling me" as a substitute somehow. He speaks of not wanting to be codependent, and I broke that tendency from myself. I've done my work. I accept him for who he is. I'm not trying to fix him, I'm not trying to change him, and I'm not blaming him for anything that is my responsibility. I accept him for who he is, and where he is. He is just too caught up to notice most of the time. Or maybe he does, but he can't handle anything else.

I know that on the other side, I would do that with him too. He's really been the perfect mirror for me in my own journey. I've learned so very much about myself because of taking the time to see what would trouble me about him. It's such a backwards way to find things, but it's so normal for we humans. That if we take the time to genuinely look at what bothers us about someone else, we really find what needs to be "fixed" the most within. I've worked very hard to stop seeing him as my problem and seeing he's just reflecting my own problems to me. I've stopped telling him what I think he needs to work on for himself.

But he hasn't stopped, not really. The reason he broke up is because he's trying to manage me and my feelings. Trying to tell me I need to find someone different because he can't provide what I need. Well, who is he to decide who I should be with and what my needs are? What I'm learning on my own journey is that the only person that can truly meet my needs is ME. If I decide to move on, that's my decision. If I decide to be single, that's my decision. If I decide to stay put and wait to see if he comes back to me in time, still my decision.

That's what I'm focusing on right now. Figuring out my needs, and how I can best meet them. What is troublesome is that it makes me both more patient with him, and less patient all at the same time. It makes me impatient with myself. I have a sincere problem with figuring out what it is I want or need. Not for myself, not in relation to him. I'm learning some tips along the way, though.

The first tip is that everything comes down to two choices: does this decision make me feel I'm expanding or contracting. Neither choice is inherently good or bad either. It amounts to what do I need right now. Simple, but difficult to implement. The next tip is that a decision doesn't always have to be made right away. Choosing to abstain on the decision until more information is gathered is an acceptable option. Another tip is that if there is to choose based on how much resistance you feel in your body. The right decisions don't generally have a lot of resistance. Finally, if the decision isn't a "full body yes" than it's a no....at least for now. I think implementing these tips from my therapist and coach have helped me a lot.

It's frustrating because I've been through the healing process for years and I know the truth about how it goes. That is a journey that you have to do the work yourself for, but it isn't supposed to happen in a bubble. By isolating he's robbing himself of a crucial element to the healing process. The human connection part. It really is an integral part. I do need to be fair and acknowledge that as he's becoming a little less depressed, he is reaching out more. If that's how things will progress, than I need to be prepared. I know that it can become taxing.

I realize that doesn't get to mean that the level of human connection needs or gets to be the level I may want right now. But I know that he has to figure out what he he wants over all....and I have to figure out the same question for myself.
 
I don't understand why we feel a need to forgive ourselves for the way our brains chose to keep us survivors.
Huh. I don't know if I've ever thought of it quite this way. Not "what horrible things I did to survive" but "what my brain chose as the ONLY way to survive."
Though I'm sure it has been suggested a gazillion times :banghead:
Gonna have to think on this.
May have to steal it for my diary because for some odd reason it's resonating.
he reason he broke up is because he's trying to manage me and my feeling
Do you think this might be a distraction technique? That whole ...I'm busy saving the world so no time to think about me thing? Not that I've ever been guilty of that or anything :laugh:
But I know that he has to figure out what he he wants over all....and I have to figure out the same question for myself.
This. This is what supporters have to think about. When does caring for me and all my drama become detrimental to you? And when it reaches that point what do you do? Actions have consequences and we with ptsd have to accept that. Theres a difference between pushing someone away for isolation time and driving them away because I'm being an ass who is refusing to try to fix my own problems
 
Huh. I don't know if I've ever thought of it quite this way. Not "what horrible things I did to survive" but "what my brain chose as the ONLY way to survive."
Though I'm sure it has been suggested a gazillion times :banghead:
Gonna have to think on this.
May have to steal it for my diary because for some odd reason it's resonating.

Do you think this might be a distraction technique? That whole ...I'm busy saving the world so no time to think about me thing? Not that I've ever been guilty of that or anything :laugh:

This. This is what supporters have to think about. When does caring for me and all my drama become detrimental to you? And when it reaches that point what do you do? Actions have consequences and we with ptsd have to accept that. Theres a difference between pushing someone away for isolation time and driving them away because I'm being an ass who is refusing to try to fix my own problems

I'm glad it's resonating, dear! Of course you can steal away. It could be. I know that right now he's super focused on controlling anything he can and through "addictions". I know that he's been obsessed with cleaning, working an obnoxious amount of overtime, I'm pretty sure he's drinking regularly, caffeine/redbull (at least 4 a day), he's started playing video games again, and he was focused on the stock market for a while and he's been trying to blog, I think as a second source of income. He's ALWAYS been obsessed with money, and right now with the shutdown, he's "essential personnel" so he has to go to work everyday, but none of them collect a paycheck until after the shutdown is over. I know he's worried about that too. He is still doing his EMDR, but hasn't taken a second off to do the processing. So yeah, taking time away in the "guise" of working on himself, but really....he's just seriously overworking. Another thing I can't do a darn thing about.

The funny thing about that...caring for him and his "drama" is only detrimental to me when he isn't letting me in. All that does is just stir up and exacerbate my abandonment issues. Now, what I'm working on is understanding how that isn't his responsibility, but in fact, mine. That I'm not responsible for how he reacts to me or my behavior. And that my response to him and his actions are my responsibility. This is the hard part. This is what I'm struggling with. Trying to decide what to do at this point. Stay or go. He's not helping much with it either. He's not capable of helping right now. He's trying like hell...but I'm trying to figure out how what my purpose is. I'm trying to figure out what my path in this is supposed to be. It's so hard.
 
yea. bout that

I was just venting about that in my diary. :laugh:
I've hit day one of my bad month and I'm totally ready to kick him to the curb and isolate- and he's not even home.
Im resentful and angry of everything he has ever done wrong over our 24 years together.
I need to get on a plane and just go
I'm not going to ..(hopefully) because I have .5 coping skill left to remind me that this happens every year and it's always bad and I always get thru it.

In the meantime - he's gonna annoy the shit out of me. Don't get me wrong - EVERYONE is going to irritate the shit out of me -- he's just around more often. :laugh:

I have no idea what he can do to help pull me out - I think it just has to run it's course. But I'll try to think about it as I go-- see what happens that doesn't piss me of???

Hi Freida -

I just wanted to say hi and I'm hoping your month is shaping up a little smoother than you'd anticipated. I'll be thinking about you and sending you cyber power vibes.

I really appreciate all the time and energy you gave me over the holidays, and everyone else here too, thank you all!.. I think these holidays were rough for us all and, oh Scroogey me, I'm sooo glad they're over with all their drama.

Sending everyone a warm hug and hope and strength for healthy new year.
 
Isolation
Why?
Because I can be mean.
Very mean.
I don't try to be
But it's too much.
I can't handle someone near me, yapping at me, worrying about me, fussing around me
I can barely keep my self under control
To many emotions
To many memories
To much pain
There is nothing you can do to help
It just has to be like this until it's not
So I will MAKE you go away
No matter what it takes
No matter what damage it does
GO.AWAY
Then I don't have to worry about you
Because I'm too busy worrying about me
Maybe you will be here when I come back
Maybe not
But right now I don't really care.
That's why isolation
 
Isolation
Why?

There is nothing you can do to help
It just has to be like this until it's not

That's why isolation

Hello Freida darling! I love your raw honest remarks as always and gain a great deal of insight, as I'm sure the other supporters do.

Survivors must also feel kindred spirit in hearing their experiences put into words here....Both sides considered, this is the stuff we all need to hear and work to understand so we can find that meeting in the middle; that takes willingness, honesty, and is why this forum is so amazing. I never cease to be impressed by everyone's gusto, openness and smarts despite all the stress we're under! GO team!

Just one example in my own year to recovery a few years back, I remember the need for immediate withdrawal. White noise would go off in my head and wherever I was, I'd have to be sure to get home/to my safety before it got too loud, the emotion overwhelm, the wave, disconnection. And then you begin to fear the panic attacks; fearing the fear, fun stuff, that can become an anxiety cycle fast!

I recall feelings in public like I couldn't stand to see all the unprompted happiness everywhere I looked at the holidays and used to wonder, what in the hell are all these people so damn elated about, a sale at Home Goods, really!? It's just stuff, don't you see I'm clinging to a spider web here? I'm sniffing candles trying to remember how to breathe, stop looking at me! I'd be triggered by something like hearing, "This bottle of baby gherkins is on sale for $1.29 but the label is damaged so let's ask for another %15 off."

Today, recovered, I'm almost too cheerful for some people to stomach, don't hate me. Sufferers recovered to survivorship get like that, it's like a drug infusion of your own brain chemicals, I've survived, I did this, devil be gone! Check out my scar, mere humans! Some things matter so much more, others so much less. There's a keen recognition that comes, that time is limited but instead of feeling the blinders on like I can't bring myself to live fully and I won't be here long so leave me in my burning box to rot, it's more like f-ing try to hold me down.

These days, you bore me about a sale or whine about you got the wrong appetizer at dinner and I'll shut you down, but I'll do it with utterly glib sarcasm and no need to drive you away or even react fully. In fact, I'll more or less pity you because, poor dears, you so don't get "it", how far I fought to get back, how important and unimportant life is all at once - That 6 foot metal chicken statue you're buying by the way will be in the landfill in a year, life matters!

I have learned to revel in it. Freida, insert reference to Lt. Dan on the mast here!

What I'm trying to share is it's the sufferer experience with a more adapted than before normal variety of healed skin that grows over that becomes survivorship at its most audacious yet most peaceful, not too thick, not bitter - amazingly a better and more evolved self than before the trauma, and you can f-ing feel it. Sounds, sights, everything is sweeter - highs are higher - and the further you go into healing, the further lows get, though you'll always retain your understanding of what the other side looks like.

The same things a sufferer feels that drive them to insanity will as a full survivor prompt you to examine your scar, but with a certain fascination now; part of an elite club of full on healed survivors, like a tattoo. I see it in military leaders like Admiral William McRaven, whose Univ Texas commencement speech is amazing fodder for all of us and helped me heal: peaceful, sassy, audacious, check out my scars, boom! ;)

From survivors who've become supporters, it's especially hard to watch someone you care about go through the kind of vacillations you did, knowing that self inflicted pain, cycling, and soul bleeding it takes to get beyond, knowing there is no timeframe just lots of scraping of venom out of a wound that too often has to happen alone. But you see from a vantage point that it can and, for the majority who put in the effort, happen successfully, something a sufferer can't always see "from inside", in the throes, it's often overlooked.

If I can only offer one thing now, I offer my full support and hope to both sufferers and supporters here, from the middle ground, I see it both ways. We both need inordinate strength, sufferers not to let go and drift away into the mad mad abyss, to work on regaining their wounded core and to trust; supporters not to hang on too tight and to remove ego and not take things personally, to not cling but to offer safety and support, and patience for the loved ones they support.

It's a battlefield, it's a passionate tango, and some days it's a 3 foot deep muddy yardsale - it's life at it's hardest and the things of poets and warriors throughout time! For full survivors a view from the mountaintop, for sufferer the walk thru the valley of the shadow.

I'll leave you guys with this thought: We will ALL go through something in our lives that pushes us to the edge in some way, a high percentage of us in what will be or has been a traumatizing way, so there's merit in learning here and now to communicate and prepare and teach each other how to understand.

Also, Freida, per our last transmission, my Marine came back and shared he has been to several counseling sessions. He reached out to me after 3.5 months this week. The small xmas gift and contact and persistence did reach him when he was ready, even though he pushed me away and was quiet. Your support encouraging me to drop that gift off was so important. You matter so much to this girl out here in cyber-land. xo - Cricket
 
I've survived, I did this, devil be gone! Check out my scar, mere humans!
That made me laugh so hard I choked on my wine!!! :laugh:
Also, Freida, per our last transmission, my Marine came back and shared he has been to several counseling sessions. He reached out to me after 3.5 months this week. The small xmas gift and contact and persistence did reach him when he was ready, even though he pushed me away and was quiet. Your support encouraging me to drop that gift off was so important. You matter so much to this girl out here in cyber-land. xo - Cricke
Yay! I'm glad it worked out!!
 
I'm hiding in a hotel room 2.5 hours from home. I'm in ptsd hell and have been for the last two days. I know hubby would want me to call him but I won't. Even though he is the person who makes me feel safe. And I have no idea why. I don't think I would have even thought about this if I hadn't been reading you all talk about how you feel tossed aside when your sufferer isolates.

I'll reach out here - to those who know.
maybe to a battle buddy
But not to my people
dunno. why
but wont

maybe that's the message.
there is no reason
it just is.
 
Even though he is the person who makes me feel safe. And I have no idea why.
When you’re in danger you don’t put your loved ones in danger. You put distance. Blow chaff. Protect those closest to you by drawing fire away from them, not bringing it home.

There are other reasons, always, but if the bolded section is what’s up? Or a piece of what’s up? Look and see if you’re following the wrong protocols.

Right if you were actually in danger.
Wrong if you’re not.
 
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