Study Using A Single-Dose Propranolol Highly Promising Treatment

[hithere]

I found this article about a presentation done in Jan. 2019 at the European College of Neuropsychomaracology on a "highly promising" treatment using just a specific single dose of Propranolol, a therapy session recallng the fearful event, then the need for a sleep cycle following the treatment session & medication ingested; and there is then significant symptom reduction. It does talk about PTSD and those who experieced war, in addition to other "anxiety" disorders. I think it is interesting. It also makes sense to me why it would actually work.

For those who like reading here is the link. (I hope I'm following copywrite law correctly) thank you!

Single-dose propranolol tied to ‘selective erasure’ of anxiety disorders

 

[TruthSeeker]

I found this article about a presentation done in Jan. 2019 at the European College of Neuropsychomaracology on a "highly promising" treatment using just a specific single dose of Propranolol, a therapy session recallng the fearful event, then the need for a sleep cycle following the treatment session & medication ingested; and there is then significant symptom reduction. It does talk about PTSD and those who experieced war, in addition to other "anxiety" disorders. I think it is interesting. It also makes sense to me why it would actually work.

For those who like reading here is the link. (I hope I'm following copywrite law correctly) thank you!

Single-dose propranolol tied to ‘selective erasure’ of anxiety disorders

So if you block your fear of your abuser and the trauma events, and he is still crazy and alive, do you not set yourself up for more potential abuse, because you can not recall and your protective part won't react? Yeah, I'll keep my memories, because they are the information I need to stay safe.

On the other hand, for men in combat, who have accidently killed children, or other innocents, because they were ordered to......
or a mistake was made.....a very cool solution. In erasing any memories, the possibility of erasing good memories exists (called a mistake) but if neurology could erase tormenting memories, which leave a person nonfunctional....that's a real consideration depending upon the circumstances.

 

[Freida]

I can't tell if the memory itself is erased or the emotion attached to the memory is erased?

I know they tried something like this several years ago -- using a memory blocker to erase the memory but had to stop because people still had the ptsd symptoms. They had just forgotten why they had them. So it ended up doing more harm than good

But yes -- if this takes just the emotion out - kind of like EMDR does? Sign me up!

 

[Friday]

@Freida

“It looks like permanent fear erasure. You can never say that something is erased, but we have not been able to get it back,” she said. “Propranolol achieves selective erasure: It targets the emotional component, but knowledge is intact. They know what happened, but they aren’t scared anymore. The fear association is affected, but not the innate fear response to a threat stimulus, so it doesn’t alter reactions to potentially dangerous situations, which is important. If there is a bomb, they still know to run away from it.”

As described, the memory stays intact, the emotion gets removed... but only to that specific memory.

It will be an interesting thing to follow... personally, I don’t trust anything that hasn’t been out for a few generations. I’ve seen too many ripple responses, but it will be interesting to watch.

<cough> That’s half trust issues, half life stuff. Part growing up in medicine & military (line forms here? Watch me run thattaway)... But mostly it’s nothing short of a marvel that I’m not a dribbling idiot after all the chemicals and electricity that have shot through me at various times, not to mention how many times I’ve had my bell rung. I just don’t think this particular cat has that many lives left, ya know?

 

[shatter eyes]

I saw a documentary on tv today about this helping people with phobias. Single dose propranolol, exposure with therapist, then sleep, then exposure.

I remember taking propranolol it made me aggressive towards people that invaded my space or did something that aggravated my symptoms. It had opposite effect on me...label says reduce aggression.

This drug is interesting because i heard some take it for stage fright in theatre.

 

[Mee]

I wonder what happens afterwards in other potentially traumatic situations? One of the big focuses of my therapy has been the opposite of many self help books and memes; learning to feel anger instead of fear/ sadness ( rather than the other way around). I think that I might be less safe in a world where I didn’t have protective emotions?

 

[DharmaGirl]

I thought that PTSD was a trauma disorder now, not an anxiety disorder. I don't know if that is even a meaningful statement, but as someone who was exposed to trauma many, many times, grew up with crazy and violent people, etc, it would take an awful lot of sessions. I would, like @Friday, want to wait for a long time before I tried anything new like that.

 

[Fadeaway]

It didn't do anything for me

 

[hithere]

So if you block your fear of your abuser and the trauma events, and he is still crazy and alive, do you not set yourself up for more potential abuse, because you can not recall and your protective part won't react? Yeah, I'll keep my memories, because they are the information I need to stay safe.

On the other hand, for men in combat, who have accidently killed children, or other innocents, because they were ordered to......
or a mistake was made.....a very cool solution. In erasing any memories, the possibility of erasing good memories exists (called a mistake) but if neurology could erase tormenting memories, which leave a person nonfunctional....that's a real consideration depending upon the circumstances.

Did you the entire article?
If I read the article correct it does "erase memory", nor interfere with "judgement" about a situation, meaning if you are in dangerous situation you will still have instinctive danger warnings, but won't "flash back" into ptsd symptoms as if it's happening again--which is a type of memory. =

 

[hithere]

I thought that PTSD was a trauma disorder now, not an anxiety disorder. I don't know if that is even a meaningful statement, but as someone who was exposed to trauma many, many times, grew up with crazy and violent people, etc, it would take an awful lot of sessions. I would, like @Friday, want to wait for a long time before I tried anything new like that.

At least in the states and europe it is classified as anxiety disorder.

 

[Rumors]

I take it for sleep/anxiety/blood pressure... I've never used it as the article suggests however it does help with sleep and anxiety.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Did you the entire article?
If I read the article correct it does "erase memory", nor interfere with "judgement" about a situation, meaning if you are in dangerous situation you will still have instinctive danger warnings, but won't "flash back" into ptsd symptoms as if it's happening again--which is a type of memory. =

Not sure I buy the one size fits all.....no flashbacks, but a warning. If people were one size fits all where the brain is concerned, then medications would work the same in everyone. I took a medication for seizures and it totally chilled my safety alert system. People have had electro-convulsive therapy-6 rounds to get in a better place and lost short term memory. I don't know....it sounds way to easy, and with a TBI, seizure disorder, and lots of trauma, I like my screwed up brain just broken like it is.....any medicine that knowingly interferes with past memory, could damage memory in a much more debilitating way.....just my thoughts.