News Worldwide impact of the novel coronavirus (covid-19)

[Deanna]

Healthcare.gov is saying ( just got an email)

Wash your hands
Cover mouth when sneeze/cough
Stay home if you think you're sick
Call your doctor when you're sick.


All of this is basic, it's now trying to get people to follow it. (Sigh) Maybe a roads signs?

 

[Neverthesame]

For the sake of clarity.
The wipes are from a company that stocks large companies with approved cleaning products with an MSDS reference binder. This is mostly for cost and legal purposes, so nobody can sue about an allergen, or fragrance sensitivity when the only product used is X.

Said wipes come in a white plastic tube with a snap lid, same as a Clorox wipe. Realistically, they probably are just Clorox wipes without a perfume.
The label says they are corrosive, they can cause burns, wear PPE, avoid contact with skin yadda, yadda.
For all I know, they are just Clorox wipes with a boring label. Maybe I can wipe my arse with it and not feel anything but fresh.
Maybe I'll burn myself a new asshole, I don't know. I have not applied one to my own skin, nor do I plan too. I can only go with what the MSDS tells me. So I can't tell you anything but that.
I work in warehouse, we have lots of different chemicals for various applications, some of them I have come in contact with and holy shit, that hurt like you wouldn't believe.
Sometimes the mild chemical is atypical to common sense. The drain cleaner for example is about as costic as Pepsi. The bathroom surface cleaner (Vim is the closest equivalent) will take your skin off pretty effectively.

The graffiti remover that the MSDS claims to be safe to use with bare hands. Nope! A few of us learned that the hard way.
So I can't tell you just how strong this specific wipe is.
I can tell you that it is my job to pipe up when someone tries to apply a costic substance to their body while standing in my work area.

I can also tell you that I wouldn't try the same thing in someone else's work area. Because it's idiotic.

I get that I made a bit of a blanket statement, which you quoted. Followed by some interesting data about the use of chlorine in day to day life. That's all fine and dandy.
Yes. I know that those chemicals have every day uses which I personally benefit from. Yes, our water treatment plant uses those chemicals to purify the water I drink every day.
No, I don't have any problem with this.

I'd really rather not contract dysentery from my kitchen tap.

Now, I really would have thought it was obvious. When I relate an incident about somebody using a chemical in a harmful way in a thread with a similar anecdote, in response to an extraordinary outside event. That I am really asking "Why do people do potentially harmful things to themselves, to avoid a potentially harmful thing?"

I don't why that wasn't super apparent from the get-go, but there it is.

TLDR:
Bleach and bleach containing products, when used correctly? = Good

Bleach and bleach containing products when used incorrectly? = Bad

There. Done.

 

[The Albatross]

Have at it.

 

[Mee]

@Muttly i hope you are feeling better Very quickly. I am sorry you have to worry about others’ reactions and manage fears too.

 

[Sideways]

Well fat load of good those will be if the major infrastructures fail. I doubt they will though.

They won't. There's no rational reason to think infrastructure will fail.

Even in worst-case-scenario projections, where 20%+ of the population get infected, the global market enters recession, and we run out of face masks - no one is projecting failure of infrastructure.

Looking at the places where the virus has already run rampant - China, Korea, Italy - infrastructure is running just fine. Even in Iran, which had about the worst kind of government response you could possibly dream up, infrastructure is still fine.

Just in case anyone reads that post and thinks, "Wait, what? Infrastructure could fail? Argh!"

It won't happen. Economic crisis may well happen. Infrastructure on the other hand, will be fine.

 

[Mee]

They won't. There's no rational reason to think infrastructure will fail.

Even in worst-case-scenario projections, where 20%+ of the population get infected, the global market enters recession, and we run out of face masks - no one is projecting failure of infrastructure.

Looking at the places where the virus has already run rampant - China, Korea, Italy - infrastructure is running just fine. Even in Iran, which had about the worst kind of government response you could possibly dream up, infrastructure is still fine.

Just in case anyone reads that post and thinks, "Wait, what? Infrastructure could fail? Argh!"

It won't happen. Economic crisis may well happen. Infrastructure on the other hand, will be fine.

Totally this.
And in fact- while it’s not something anyone sane or rational would wish the hard hit on economics etc would potentially even be offset by a relief on infrastructure and some economic programmes longer term. Note- I am not for one minute suggesting ‘it’s a plot to control population ’ . I AM NOT. I am saying in the worse case scenario- there are silver linings ( albeit not for individuals).



Again - i suggest comparing this to fatality rates from Mainly preventable stuff that is rationalised currently - it will help see that we do not suffer infrastructure failure .

 

[Neverthesame]

I was just imagining a worst case scenario that would make a frozen dinner a bad idea as a survival food. That's all, I didn't say I thought it would happen.

 

[Muttly]

@Mee Thanks. Still sick :P I get one or two bad sinus infections a year. This is turning into one of those. Oh well.

I went through the online screening and am not suspected of having covid which is what I expected. It does mean I can honestly say I spoke to my health care provider and I can feel less like I might secretly be spreading it without realizing.

All those cases are over the age of 60 and they had existing health conditions on top of that.

To clarify, I assume you meant the deaths have all been over the age of 60? I think a few of them were younger, but yes, they all had underlying conditions. I thought at first you were referring to all the cases, because I confuse easily :P

 

[Deanna]

The whole coronavirus is starting to suck. Every time I think of the coronavirus, I think of the beer- Corona. ( lol) ?

The ten patients that died in Washington of the coronavirus were in a nursing home.

At least 10 of those who died in King County were residents of Life Care Center, a nursing home in Kirkland. Researchers say the virus may have been circulating undetected for weeks

Dead Link Removed

 

[Muttly]

I actually had a corona today. Probably because of all the news. lol

Well, "most" and "at least" are the words I keep seeing regarding the Life Care Center deaths. So, there's some vagueness as to whether they all died. (In the article linked about it lists 11 deaths, at least 10 from there). It was driving me crazy, because I was sure I'd heard about someone in their 50s. I think that was the first death in Washington state. As far as the nursing home, sometimes non-seniors will be in a place like that briefly after surgery or something. Anyway, I found this link which gives some more info on age. I'm not sure it matters in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Muttly]

And... my therapist has been exposed and her husband is definitely in the at risk category for both age and health issues. I guess she would be too for age.

eta- And her husband is symptomatic. :(

 

[blackemerald1]

My Parsley is growing really fast - in case anyone was wondering?