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News Worldwide impact of the novel coronavirus (covid-19)

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We've already figured out the vaccine. I
Not exactly. That vaccine is in phase I trials. Or maybe just one, small trial. And the point of phase I is to make sure it doesn't kill people. (Or make them sicker than the disease.) They haven't gotten anywhere close to testing whether or not it actually works. I hope we get lucky & that vaccine does the trick, but there are no guarantees yet.
 
I don't get why people don't remember that.
When the virus hit as a big thing in China in early January, the initial estimates for producing and distributing a vaccine were 12-18 months minimum.

They do seem to be fairly confident with the vaccine they've currently started testing (some health workers in Victoria here are going to be guinnea pigs).

Ordinarily, the mass production of vaccines doesn't start until after extensive testing has been completed and the vaccine is determined to be both safe and effective.

Here in Australia, the rules have been waived, so that large scale production can commence straight away, so that it's ready to roll out as soon as adequate testing has been completed. That can knock about 6 months off the usual time it takes for a new vaccine to become publicly available.

And that testing stage, while frustrating, is still important. Medications of any kind can have some unforeseen consequences (thalydamide spellcheck is a good example), which we need to avoid, particularly given how many people, with vulnerable health situations, will ultimately be looking to get the vaccine.

So, estimates are still that early 2021 is still looking like the earliest that a vaccine can be rolled out en masse. Although it may be that frontline health workers get earlier access to the first vaccines produced.

That's excellent news. But, it's still 8-9 months away at least. We need to keep infection rates down as low as possible in the meantime. There's a lot of places (not just in the third world) where ICU beds are stretched at the best of times. I'm fortunate to live in an area with reasonably good hospital services available, but a few years back when I needed to go into ICU and be ventilated (waaaay before Covid 19), there were no ICU beds available at the 3 nearest hospitals, and I was sent quite a long way out to get a bed. People are still getting sick for other reasons, and even with the expansion of hospital beds to handle the epidemic, resources will be over-stretched for the remainder of the year. New York is currently experimenting with one ventilator per 2 patients, because we're already out.

So, the vaccine being available in the foreseeable future is definitely a reason to be optimistic. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

Unfortunately, we still have to get through the tunnel. And a lot of people are losing their lives in the process, and many others are getting permanent lung damage even when they do recover.

The situation is vastly different to the Spanish flu. I don't think comparisons to that pandemic offer too much insight into what's coming. But many people have already lost their lives, and many more will over the course of the year while we wait for the vaccine to become available.

It's pretty heartbreaking to read about the situation on the ground in New York city right now. Reading about the situation on the ground in places where their hospital system operates in a permanent state of crisis all year round, like Indonesia, for example - that's altogether another thing.

Bring on the vaccine, if it's safe and effective. But definitely we're still a long way from when we can become complacent about Covid. 2020 is going to be a devastating year globally.
 
When the virus hit as a big thing in China in early January, the initial estimates for producing and distributing a vaccine were 12-18 months minimum.
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This timing is somewhat under question now as I understand it.
currently a person in uk is being tested to see if he had it in mid January after a skiing trip in a resort in Austria. It might be that the resort may have had an outbreak of some extent that was covered up ( something went around - but whether or not it was covid19 is not yet known) might mean we were late already by January.
 
Scientists are saying a little blood from a person that has survived Corona.. Might not be a bad idea. They are also saying the vaccine will change every year, so the Covid-19 will be Covid-20, etc. Scientists are also saying a tiny bit of Covid-19 as a vaccine might build up our antibodies. The drug company that produces malaria drug is stepping up supply.
Actually there was a vaccine started for Corona but it ran out of money.

That's about 4 articles. Here's a source for one article since vaccines have to be proven for so long.

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Others have addressed this - so I just have one small specific to add:
We've already figured out the vaccine. I don't get why people don't remember that.
No, no no.

From the Times article you linked, third paragraph:
Despite the rapid progress, even if the vaccine is proved safe and effective against the virus, it will not be available for at least a year.
That's in re: the testing they started on Monday 3/16 in Seattle.

The vaccine has not been figured out. All the current approaches are untested or still in the hypothesis stage.
 
Others have addressed this - so I just have one small specific to add:
No, no no.

From the Times article you linked, third paragraph:
That's in re: the testing they started on Monday 3/16 in Seattle.

The vaccine has not been figured out. All the current approaches are untested or still in the hypothesis stage.
Okay.. That's fair. But they are projecting a drug in 6 months
Everyone is just going to have to deal with it.. Mad, sad, angry or whatever
 
A little more detail from @Deanna's second link (above)

Interestingly, [Dr. Peter Jay] Hotez [virologist based out of Baylor Med] and his team of scientists already developed a coronavirus vaccine years ago, following the 2002-2004 SARS outbreak, which spread out of China and ended up killing more than 770 people worldwide. However, when the vaccine reached the stage of human testing in 2016, he was unable to secure further funding, and the trials were never concluded. “At the time we manufactured it, people had lost interest in coronavirus epidemics and pandemics,” Hotez said, adding that researchers are now working to repurpose that vaccine for COVID-19. Coronaviruses are a group of related viruses that cause diseases including some cases of the common cold, and not just SARS and COVID-19.

Important to remember that the Covid vaccine Hotez developed a decade ago was not for COVID-19. It would have been an earlier strain of Covid. But it's awesome that the research can go towards developing things for the current pandemic, and beyond.
But they are projecting a drug in 6 months
Yep, that's a treatment - not the same as a vaccine.

Both are important.
Vaccine = slow/stop the spread, saving lives.
Treatment = save lives of the currently ill.

They're on two different timelines, is all. It can get confusing - hence, my desire to clarify your statement. :tup:
 
My personal wish, here in the US, is that people would spend more time talking about saving PEOPLE, and less about saving "the economy". If we get PEOPLE through this, the economy will manage just fine.
Mine too!!!
Ordinarily, the mass production of vaccines doesn't start until after extensive testing has been completed and the vaccine is determined to be both safe and effective.
This is why we have so many veterans who are seriously messed up === because the military rushed the anthrax vaccine rather than taking the time to test it. Now we have an entire group of people that are constantly ill, the doctors know its from the vaccine and they can't explain why or how to treat it because there wasn't enough testing done to check the side affects before they started using it.

You have to be careful to make sure the cure isn't worse than the disease.
 
In Australia a experiment is about to be launched using the tuberculosis (TB) vaccine. Apparently it is rarely used in developed countries atm because of herd immunity.

ETA: Other countries are also doing the same^

The interest in it is because it is known to increase immune responses & may assist in repelling virus & bacterial infections. 4000 front line workers are being used to measure what it does.

Our PM, in collaboration with the heads of each of our States, has declared that all o/seas travellers will now be required to quarantine in government provided accommodations under supervision of the defence force for fourteen days.

Obviously this is because as Anthony commented, people are proving that they cannot be trusted to do self-imposed isolation.

China is now refusing entry to it's own returning o/s national residents and foreign nationals. They are saying that their infections are now all attributable to people returning from overseas countries where covid19 is uncontrolled.
 
Somewhat a little OT, not sure if I should move it to a different thread?

the tuberculosis (TB) vaccine. Apparently it is rarely used in developed countries atm because of herd immunity.

The interest in it is because it is known to increase immune responses & may assist in repelling virus & bacterial infections.

That's actually interesting, particularly it not commonly being used in developed countries anymore. Do you have a link? Because...where would the herd immunity stem from? Certainly not from recovered tuberculosis infections? My understanding was that the general incidence rate of TB in developed countries is low - but not because of herd immunity but practical eradication. And hence ceased vaccinations.

I was vaccinated against TB as a late 80s/early 90s child. I'm not sure how common it was at that time but I thought it was at general common practice to vaccinate at least in the 80s? Maybe even 70s? I do know they stopped doing it at some point.

I know I had to be tested for TB when moving to Hawaii and starting employment as per state regulation. So....not actually THAT common to have been vaccinated?

I wonder whether the by now presumed large proportion of asymptomatic COVID-19 infections could be due to a personal history of TB vaccination?

Just thinking out loud, rambling, actually. But that piece of info touched a cord.
 
@siniang - here is one of many sources for the use of TB vaccine re covid19. Take your pick, use this one or google it?? 122,000 hits on covid19 and TB vaccine.
TB vaccine used to fight covid19

I just thought I'd post that bit of info because it shows that our scientists are working at this from a lot of different angles so a positive angle for a change?

Somewhat a little OT, not sure if I should move it to a different thread?
^Don't know what you mean?
 
Maybe I'm mis-reading, but why do you feel attacked and respond defensive?

I'm actually glad you posted this?!

ETA: The "OT-part" I typed when I was first planning on just rambling on about personal TB vaccination history and anecdotes...but then it turned into a more fitting post overall for this thread.

ETA2: I was specifically wondering and asking for a source about the herd immunity for TB claim and had assumed you might have a specific source for that particular piece of info, which is unrelated to COVID-19, as you may have had just read it. So I don't have to comb through 122,000 hits on Google...

ETA3: I was not questioning you! I was genuinely interested and hence asking.
 
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