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Problems With Authority

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All comes back to why its so hard to treat people with complex trauma... and why very few actually persist with their treatment assistance... because when it becomes hard, they fall apart and all their protective coping measures come out to play...

Exactly and something I caught on with myself early on when I caught myself going off on one of my favorite tdocs over some issue (unimportant) and storming out the door, as I walked to my car I slipped into a laugh ???? I was stunned because I really wanted help and I didn't want to play games with this guy. I had been upfront with him during one of our first sessions. I explained that I had a tendency to want to outplay the therapist due to resentments. We discussed what I was conscious of and that if I caught myself doing it I would own up to it and address what brought it on. I did do this and I have always made it a rule to out myself. I have this in my "tool bag", I don't like it, it wastes my time, but I will deal with it.

I have tended to use it when I feel the need for control. Play the puppeteer. It's a get back at my father. Thankfully it's been a long time since I have seen this behaviour but I am always aware of it.
My advice is to always see any helper as an equal. They might have knowledge to help you for your situation, but you also have knowledge that could help them in your specialty.

This is one of the reasons I call my tdoc by their first name as opposed to dr so and so. I will acknowledge and check their credentials but at the same time I know more about my situation than they do so it has to be a partnership. I have to be allowed to set some rules up my way to feel comfortable. Without me there is no recovery, we have to be a team and build trust.

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I was exposed to some very bad parenting by a very religious stepmother. The school they sent me to was full of rebellious kids trying to find ways to get out from under the opression of this particularly harsh religion and many of us discarded more than just the religion as we grew able to support ourselves and leave homes that offered us nothing but a united front of total immersion in the religion or total discommunication from it's members. Of the dozen or so kids I have kept track of, there have been a few prostitutes, drug dealers, sex offenders, and one accused of murder but suicide stopped the conviction. The momentum we built up as we waited for our chance to get away was too much for our young minds and we slid beyond "normal" into the outer reaches of society, rejecting authority with a fervor that I have only ever found in people that learned the trait living in an oppressive home.

Personally, I still reject "mindless" authority. I seek out leadership from superiors that have a brain in their head, regardless of their management style or gender, but reject any attempts at authority over me by people that just do not have the intelligence to earn my respect. I don't show it, I do my job and comply with the law and follow the rules and stand where I am told to stand, but I always know who I will go to if the situation requires a leader with a brain and who I will avoid when the going gets tough.

Every time I have been offered an opportunity to step up and take some responsibility for leading others, I have asked myself "will I be willing to represent the people above me to the people below me?" The answer has rarely been yes, and I have stayed in the "hourly wage" category throughout my career because of it. The place I am working now has approximately 600 hourly people, with only 10 of us earning in the highest level wage category. My last review was good enough to max my pay for the category, so until the next monthly wage level adjustment I was assuredly the highest paid hourly guy there, the equivalent of "Sargeant Major of the Army". (highest ranking enlisted man in the US army, only 1 at that rank, he doesn't take any crap from anyone thats not an officer, and very few of them are willing to risk taking him ( or her) on).

There have been times when my lack of respect for unearned authority has gotten me into trouble, but in most cases I was able to find a higher authority that recognised the problem as being one of bad leadership instead of insubordination. Knowing how to recognise the authority figures that have earned their positions through intelligent leadership has been my most valuable skill in these situations. If there is a reasonable person at the top, you can usually resolve most issues with bad management somewhere along the way to the head office.

But all of those skills and ability to cope with incompetent authority figures goes out the window when dealing with my still religious and still oppressive parents. I just cannot learn to bite my tongue and seek approval from someone that doles it out as if they have what everyone wants and can demand their price for it. If I am not being rewarded with a paycheck or a grade that leads me to a degree or a higher position, I will not jump through the hoop for anyone just to earn their approval, especially my parents. I can respect most elders just because they have earned it through having lived longer than me, but I lose all respect for someone that expects me to seek their approval when that approval is the only thing they have to offer and the price they demand is way too much for what it is worth. No sale, sorry.
 
To start with, there is one obvious difference for me. No diagnosed Psy Problems, and none obvious enough to distress anyone. In other words, I don't have the obvious trauma's to relate back to why I should have problems with authority. My parents were very wishy washy, no hard lines but firm expectations, so not what I see as authority.

Authority scares me. To deal with it, I inately hide below the radar. Very much the whimp I guess.

I do well with the concept of experts who I can trade information with, but as soon as that become THE authority, I'm looking for a hole to hide in...
 
just another thought that might answer another of the original questions that Perfect Empire asked us in the first post:

I definitely think it is possible to recover or establish a newfound respect for authority. I think the same problem of built up momentum that sends rebellious kids outside the lines when they finally get free of oppressive parents can work in the opposite direction too.

A simple analogy is a pendulem swinging equal distances away from center on either side of it's arc, the momentum that brings it to center also carries it to the other extreme. Sometimes people that were leading lives of disrespect for authority and suffering caused by it will straighten their lives out and become religious zealots or worse.

My wife thinks it is like learning to drive, when you are young you aren't really driving the car, you are just pointing it in what is hopefully a safe direction. Overcorrection is a common mistake. As we get older we get better at actualy steering the car and don't find ourselves headed for one ditch and then the other as easily as when we were younger.

Yes, I think it is possible to reverse a lack of respect for authority, and it can easily become an overcorrection that will make you fodder for any leader that happens along.

I want a bumper sticker that says "question authority, but stop at red lights". Balance is everything.
 
I dislike authority figures, particularly male authority figures. I hate to feel like I'm being controlled, and I have had several experiences of being severely bullied, starting with my dad. I'm just now doing the kind of work with a new T that will resolve the issues that have made me a victim since I was a child, and I'm looking forward to being free of this particular hang up.
 
I don't have the obvious trauma's to relate back to why I should have problems with authority. My parents were very wishy washy, no hard lines but firm expectations, so not what I see as authority.

It doesn't have to be parents. Look at what Eat0429 said- what about bullying? All it takes is someone bigger than you, pushing you around, scaring you, hurting you and voila! You have a fear of being controlled by someone "bigger" than you.
 
Hmm, This is very interesting... maybe this is why I give my therapist such a hard time. He often comments that I don't listen to a damn word he says.
 
It doesn't have to be parents. Look at what Eat0429 said- what about bullying? All it takes is someone bigger than you, pushing you around, scaring you, hurting you and voila! You have a fear of being controlled by someone "bigger" than you.

Hating authorties has been a terribly viscious problem for me all of my life. Please understand that I am referring to how it feels to me with me limited understanding of suffering. I can't imagine how much worse it would be for you guys. Anyway, it's just crazy that something so small as what happened to me can have such a large effect over my lifetime.

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Anyway, it's just crazy that something so small as what happened to me can have such a large effect over my lifetime.

Small seeds, planted early, grow huge over time (unless you do something about dealing with them...)

Please stop apologizing for your "limited understanding of suffering." You hurt, too.
 
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