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Identity After Complex Trauma Since Birth

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there is likely no "before trauma" for me either.
Me either. And of course I now know what isn't normal (having both Yeti and Dud with card-carrying personality disorders) but that's a long way from knowing what IS normal (or even if there is such a thing, maybe I'm lucky in that I haven't been inculcated into a "normal"... coz I just *KNEW* it wasn't Yeti or Dud).
We are changed by what has happened but can refuse to be reduced by it-Maya Angelou
Yep.
 
I hope you're feeling better today, FON.

One thing I did when I realized I was f-ed up beyond help, I decided to kind of go with it, but in a way that would be productive.

For instance, I was terrified to fly. Would never ever do it. So what did I do? I flew to some places I always wanted to see with a friend who always wanted me to go, but I was afraid.

I still try to do RADICAL things I never would have done. I did some pretty radical things, nothing self destructive.

I nixed fear from the decision making process and for a while, went full tilt into everything. This lead to my looking back and saying, "Well, I may not be me anymore, but now look at the things I have done!"

Hell, yes, symptoms intefered a lot and cut some ventures short, but I keep trying. It is like making gold out of lemons.
 
Wow, so many replies o.o :)

Now you have a chance to grow, to discover the "real" person inside, the one your suvivor has been protecting all your life.
That's an interesting way of looking at it. It certainly makes sense.

I don't know if this perspective feels comfortable to me, though. I mean, okay, the idea that there is something living behind the walls of this torn up bomb shelter, something that will step out of the debris, a bit pale and malnurished but otherwise healthy... That's more than just having those ruins.

But on the other hand... I like the odd and foreign, but when it comes to me I am apparently relatively xenophobic. We had to do this imagination during therapy - 'the Inner Team' - where we had to visualise all our past and future selves gathering at a round table, discussing a question that was moving us at that moment. All I could do was to hide behind a potted plant in the meeting room and then leave that mental scenery as fast as possible. I can imagine myself in a room packed with strangers without any distress, but imagining 'other' 'me's that live inside me? I could see them talking about me behind my back, having thoughts and feelings of their own, maybe even deciding stuff above my head! Horror of horrors.

Another me, a 'true' me that wants to take over, maybe has to take over because my life is rightfully hers? Oh dear. But I appreciate your reply and there's certainly a number of insightful thoughts in there :)
Being a product of our environment is hard. But FON, at least you have the guts to know that YOU are healthier, better and stronger than the people who abused you. That's my gig, I won't let my abuser's punish me anymore.
Downward comparisons, yeah :D Scientifically proven to ramp up self esteem. You're right. I might be a mess, but at least I'm not handing my baggage on to my kids or my partner.
And another part of me wants to fight it, to make better of my life, and to create a better life for my kids. I like that part of me. Maybe that part IS the survivor.
I'll think about that. It sounds good, though. I really want to work in a field where I can assist people who want to empower themselves; maybe that's because I still feel so powerless and don't want anybody to have to suffer like that.
Resilience doesn't have to only be about "bouncing back" to a previous mythological state of functioning. It can also be about moving forward, becoming stronger, and emancipating ourselves.
A mythological state of functioning - I like that. It makes it sound like I'm chasing unicorns *giggles*
We are changed by what has happened but can refuse to be reduced by it-Maya Angelou
True. But the 'how' is kind of tricky.
underneath the dysfunctional behavior lies the "person" , not the "abuse'.
Isn't 'behaviour' simply the way the 'person' manifests?
I hope you're feeling better today, FON.
A little bit. In-patient time's over *cheers* Also the deep crisis seems to dissolve just as quickly as it did the last time. I'm not turning away from the topic, though.
I still try to do RADICAL things I never would have done. I did some pretty radical things, nothing self destructive.
That sounds pretty badass :D
"Well, I may not be me anymore, but now look at the things I have done!"
That, on the other hand, sounds scary. Weren't you scared by those changes?

There's talk about people who constantly 'reinvent themselves', mostly celebrities or artists. I kind of feel like adopting some kind of style at the moment - which I can't recall ever having felt before - but the thought feels fake. I don't know. I kind of wish I could dress and behave in a way that doesn't communicate anything at all about myself, not even a faux (f-f-french) façade.
 
I can only guess that there may not be a before trauma for me either but I can't know for sure as I don't remember. Even so, there are things about myself that are genuine and I would not change. As a matter of fact, until the last trauma's, I would not have changed my childhood even though it was horrible. It was as though I innately knew right from wrong without being taught and I knew it was dysfunctional. I actually felt bad for friends who had some dysfunction and did not even know it. I felt sort of blessed for being able to recognize it.

Once a very spiritual friend proposed to me that I had chosen my parents when I was just a spirit. I immediatly responded that I had not done such and why would I do such a crazy thing. Over the next several days I gave that idea a lot of thought. I began to see how my birth took some of the heat off of my sisters who were much older. They were given more responsibility but it may have helped them with there own parenting which came not that long after me.

Then I saw how I was the one who "named it", who opened the dialogue to point out certain things. I brought up subjects that nobody would dare to speak of. And I took the heat...and have the ability to do that-at least to a point.

Just a thought....anybody else ever consider this?
 
Hi FON-

No, I really was not afraid because what I was was so thoroughly gone. There was not a trace left. It was like I was a newborn, like my hard drive had been erased, except I had my memories if that makes sense. It is hard to describe because I was me, but I was not me.

I was in so much horrific turmoil, I did not even feel fear or anything but misery. So it was not a facade or a creation because I was not even there to put anything on myself.

It was a sheer sheet of unbroken misery that was either going to end in my hurting myself or I was going to have to just use it as energy and say what the hell, I am not me anyway, so what if I were a guy that like skydiving? Maybe I am a guy who likes to skydive!! Or maybe I am a woman who likes to ski? Or maybe I am a dog who wants to learn Chinese. I was that messed up.
 
Growing up abused, does not make us "abuse".

In the main, as far as what you said, I agree with ITL. How you wrote it was deft, and then some. It's all really interesting because it's almost like digging around in the subconscious. I think we still have the innate good and worthwhile human stuff even with early prolonged trauma, it's just that things get distorted. Pushed out of shape, or out of proportion. But I really believe we all recognize the truth of goodness and light, even when we've been brain/body-battered by reality badly.

Why?

Because we are (after all) human. With the added stress component of trauma, but human nevertheless.
 
It makes it sound like I'm chasing unicorns *giggles*

Hahahaha! I like the way you think. That part about your "inner team" ganging up on you cracked me up, too. Maybe the team can chase unicorns while you and the plant find a way out.
 
Once a very spiritual friend proposed to me that I had chosen my parents when I was just a spirit. (...)
Just a thought....anybody else ever consider this?
My m*ther proposed this in two different flavours. There was the simplistic 'You still chose him as your dad'-version, and the self-serving 'You wanted me as your mom so badly that you decided to bear him'. To both I say nope, that's bs. Before I was conceived there wasn't even the genotype the brain that produces my personality is based on, so how could there be a 'me' to make any decisions? And then there's the whole problem of knowledge of the future and its implications for freewill.

My question is, if you 'chose' your f*mily to make things less bad, why did your sisters choose it? Why don't bad parents end up infertile because no one wants to be their child? That would effectively end the handing down of abuse through the generations, thus making the world a very much better place for everyone.
Maybe I am a guy who likes to skydive!! Or maybe I am a woman who likes to ski? Or maybe I am a dog who wants to learn Chinese. I was that messed up.
Well, that sounds like a pretty thorough search for/creation of yourself.

I know a lot about my likes and dislikes, but they're all shaped by my traumatic experiences and fear. And it's fear that keeps me from trying out new things.
Maybe the team can chase unicorns while you and the plant find a way out.
You know, that doesn't sound bad at all. I'll write that down and think about it.
 
Just a thought....anybody else ever consider this?

I will take a shot! To be honest, all the spiritual type of questions tortured me so much that I started to consider them superfluous suffering that I could end. The fact that I have no heat in my house brings suffering I cannot really control without more expense than I can afford, so I have to suffer it out.

However, spiritual cogitation is something that is unnecessary in my mind.

This does not mean I do not struggle with my faith or religion. I have just give up on the why's of it alll.
 
I have just give up on the why's of it alll.
'Why' is the wrong question anyways. 'How' is much more suitable as it doesn't imply the existence of a willful, entitled entity.

Why are we here? As long as the Creators are silent (or non-existent) we cannot answer this. But science can answer how we are here all the way down to the Big Bang, and soon even beyond that point - if there is a 'beyond'.
 
But science can answer how we are here all the way down to the Big Bang, and soon even beyond that point - if there is a 'beyond'.


I was listening to S. Hawkings talk about the "after" and how we will become a heated nothingness. Eeck. Makes my troubles seem slight!
 
How --not why? I agree.
Cognitive behavior therapy focuses on changing our beliefs and thoughts which leads to relief from negative feelings.
Therefore, I am a fan of exploring anything that works.

When I explored how I came to be in the family I was born to and considered that I chose this family, the focus changed from what happened to me-to my positive qualities and attributes.

I chose to come to this family to help others and was injured myself within this family-I am now chosing to not be further injured and taking the necessary actions. (this is an empowering statement for me)
vs.
I was born to this family and had no choice-I was injured within this family. I was born without choice and still dont see my choices.
 
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