BPD Complex ptsd vs. bpd

[Javagoat]

What is the relationship between Complex PTSD and Borderline Personality Disorder? Are they the same thing essentially?

 

[Kb3]

There's something about this in one of the wiki's. Cptsd comes from trauma, BPD may or may not.

 

[Deleted member 1860]

Everyone with CPTSD has endured trauma. Not everyone with BPD has. So no, they are not the same.

Another difference? BPD carries with it a stigma both among professionals and non-professionals. With CPTSD, not so much.

 

[Javagoat]

Thanks

 

[anthony]

There is no such thing as complex PTSD either... there is only complex trauma. PTSD is the only diagnosis that exists. Complex PTSD is perpetuated and has no legal or professional use.

Those with complex trauma are diagnosed with PTSD + dissociative and/or personality disorder/s.

 

[Stormy Eagle]

Complex post-traumatic stress disorder

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Complex post-traumatic stress disorder (C-PTSD) is a psychological injury that results from protracted exposure to prolonged social and/or interpersonal trauma with lack or loss of control, disempowerment, and in the context of either captivity or entrapment, i.e. the lack of a viable escape route for the victim. C-PTSD is distinct from, but similar to, posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

The C-PTSD diagnosis developed when some clinicians argued that PTSD did not account for all the symptoms in some patients who had been repeatedly traumatized, and that further diagnostic criteria and treatments were necessary to help such patients. Though mainstream journals have published papers on C-PTSD, the category is not formally recognized in diagnostic systems such as DSM or ICD.[1]

C-PTSD involves complex and reciprocal interactions between multiple biopsychosocial systems. It was first described in 1992 by Judith Herman in her book Trauma & Recovery and an accompanying article.[2][3] Forms of trauma associated with C-PTSD include sexual abuse (especially child sexual abuse), physical abuse, emotional abuse, domestic violence or torture -- all repeated traumas in which there is an actual or perceived inability for the victim to escape

 

[anthony]

It must be true if Wikipedia has it, yes?

No... please outline to me where are the diagnostic criteria? Where is it within the ICD or DSM? Can someone please show me where its scheduled for inclusion in the forthcoming ICD or DSM?

It doesn't exist... and you need to read the discussion to that wikipedia page, as health professionals globally recommend it be removed, yet wikipedia won't... because it insists that the page has relevance, even though it has no legal standing and CANNOT be diagnosed.

Any person on this forum who says they have CPTSD, you need to go back and ask your psychiatrist to see the legal diagnoses they have given you, and I guarantee it won't say CPTSD for insurance or prescription / any legal medical purpose.

CPTSD is just a coined phrase, there is zero diagnostic criteria or substance to it. The DSM has rejected it from inclusion, even into the DSM V, rejected, and the ICD aren't adopting it either.

This is not a new discussion and people need to do research, beyond wikipedia, because it doesn't exist with any medical, insurance or legal scope. You don't have CPTSD, you have PTSD + dissociative disorder and/or personality disorder. That is the legal, medical, and insurance diagnoses you will receive, not CPTSD.

People need to start doing more research and less believing in crap you find on some website... that is the problem with the web... filtering through the crap to find the truth. I did a quick search on wikipedia problems, and straight away I find a previous admission by a founder the site is full of inaccurate information: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/10/18/wikipedia_quality_problem/

Google is your friend, use it to find the truth, not just one angle or the other, but the truth about something.

US Department of Veterans Affairs discussion on it, updated in 2010: Link Removed with still no viability.

People should also not confuse complex PTSD with complex trauma. The first is not real, the second is.

 

[Kb3]

as health professionals globally recommend it be removed, yet wikipedia won't... because it insists that the page has relevance, even though it has no legal standing and CANNOT be diagnosed.

CPTSD is just a coined phrase, there is zero diagnostic criteria or substance to it. The DSM has rejected it from inclusion, even into the DSM V, rejected, and the ICD aren't adopting it either.

That's too bad. CPTSD is the only label which doesn't seem to heap blame and judgement back on the patient IMHO.

Of course I say that as someone who would most likely be d'xd w/a personality disorder + PTSD. I would be really worried about being stigmatised by professionals.

 

[intothelight]

I haven't found that a diagnosis of PTSD puts blame or judgement back on the patient, nor do I find that most diagnosis put blame on the patient. They are just labels to categorize or define a certain set of behaviors, symptoms, and/or physiological characteristics to allow uniformity in diagnosis and treatment for the medical profession.

The problem with creating a diagnosis is that it cannot be too narrow or too broad, as then it would lose its effectiveness as a tool for diagnosis, treatment, and research. It is important to remember that it is just a tool and it doesn't define who a person is, nor can one diagnosis cover the complexity of a human beings behavior, emotions or physical make-up. It is a guideline for diagnosis, and as treatment, research and advances in medicine continue, there will be continued changes in scope of the diagnosis.

 

[anthony]

Exactly... labels are just that, labels, they don't define the person, they define a problem/s that exist which need treating.

There is so much issue with people who have been told they have CPTSD, that they actually believe they deserve or warrant a special label, even though the label doesn't exist... typically because of the personality traits present to begin with... yet they want that label nonetheless instead of the legal, actual labels that do exist.

I agree with the APA's decision on not creating CPTSD, and also their stiffening of PTSD diagnosis, because interpretations were running rampant and are causing all sorts of issue for the diagnosis globally, for those legitimately suffering it; secondly every proposal I have read on an actual CPTSD diagnostic criterion was pulled to pieces due to the amount of indifference found between so called possible sufferers, where no majority could be clearly defined compared with applying existing diagnostic categorisation, PTSD + Axis II and/or dissociative disorders + comorbid as applicable.

People think CPTSD gives them validity, when in actual fact there is no diagnostic criteria linked to such a term for actual diagnosis to begin with. It just doesn't exist...

A psychiatrist or psychologist may use that term, note "term", to quickly define to a person the severity of their illness, instead of saying you have PTSD + BPD.

Plenty of people with PTSD fit more than just PTSD, but that is what each specific disorder exists for as its own category, to stop cross contamination between diagnoses, as most have cross-over symptoms.

 

[Kb3]

I haven't found that a diagnosis of PTSD puts blame or judgement back on the patient.

Me either, I prefer the PTSD dx because it presents an external reason for my symptoms which is validating for me.

It's the PD dx that I don't like although I suppose that the behaviours could be explained by the traumatic environment . It's just that there always seemed to be a lot of stigma w/PD disorders with professionals and as someone with my problems that feels very hurtful, unhelpful and perhaps not worth taking a chance on that rejection.

 

[Stormy Eagle]

No diagnosis starts out as an official diagnosis...or in the DSM...just as no law starts as a law. We find there is a need for it, that it is HELPFUL FOR MANY PEOPLE, and then and only then, is it added to the DSM...or put into law.