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General Faith And Ptsd

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Unfortunately, I have walked away from God for a long time. I look back on my last 20 years and it almost makes me sick to my stomach. They say all things happen for a reason, and my wife wanting a divorce has opened my eyes. I am struggling with it, but I do feel God working in my life. I decided to talk to my wife about God, and she seemed to open up to Him.


Your post struck a familiar chord. My wife and I have come to the point where we realize that this is a journey, the goal is not a destination, but rather making progress on the journey. Sometimes that progress is slow. Many things have been valuable on our journey, but one thing we do weekly is attend RCA, (Recovering Couples Anonymous). RCA gives us tools to increase our communication, and improve our whole intimacy. I would recommend it for any couple.
 
I feel a bit triggered by this thread. Mostly because the eight years of my marriage and resulting trauma were mainly based on religious beliefs, and I allowed myself to be abused and treated very poorly because of my fear and belief that God wanted me to stay in the relationship. At the same time I didnt lose my connection to a voice inside me, that I knew was full of love and which in the end got me out of the psychological trap I was in. I just couldnt match that voice I felt inside of me to my concept of God, and that caused a whole lot of confusion and inner turmoil. After my divorce I was often still scared and completely terrorized that God wanted me to return. And I always had to remind myself that God would never want me to do something I didn't want to do. But I think I am still struggling with this.

Just a couple months ago I had this realization that I was always was upset and angry at God for causing all my suffering... but that it wasn't God who was cheating me, but myself, and that God was always with me. Always there. I don't understand this fully though.

It still is something I have to work on. And I don't understand myself... and easily disassociate because of these issues. The fear can be triggered really easily. I am even scared to come back at this thread and read your responses...
 
I hope you wouldn't be scared of anyone here Nadia, and less so of God (who is far kinder than people, I believe).
I don't think God ever wants anyone to be harmed by another, it's just others who can twist their harm and try to justify it that way.

You are very brave, peace and new beginnings to you.
 
It takes strength to even write the things that you did, Nadia.

I've been back and forth with the concept of my "religion" almost my entire life. When my husband was deployed I leaned on my faith heavily. When he came home a different man than I sent there, I managed to lean even harder.

On the worst day of it all (so far) my husband refused to acknowledge that I even mattered. He said hateful things like "Once I leave this house, I'll never think of you again." and worse. I spoke with a few members of our church that knew us both very well and right then and there they offered to get together and pray. I truly believe it was those prayers that brought him back. One moment he couldn't stand me, the next he was holding my hand, apologizing, and telling me he had no idea where he had been, but he thanked God I hadn't left him there.

It isn't easy, this life we're living. Sometimes I feel like having faith isn't enough to hold it all together, but I try to remind myself that no matter how strong I am, it isn't my place to pull the strings. Such a hard lesson.
 
Free Will. I think it all comes down to free will. God did not create us to be puppets that he intertains himself pulling thier cords. He created each of us to make our own decisions in life and that means we and sometimes others make decisions that negatively efferct our lives. But what are we suposed to do yell at God and say why didn't you stop me from marrying the wrong man or from putting myself in ___________ position. No we are suposed to learn from the bad choices we make and not repeat them. And when those choices hurt we are to lean on the arms that will sustain us.
I am sure some of you will just pass this off as I bet she gets her requests answered. Well here is a quick list of my bad decisions and the bad decisions of others that have negatively effected my life:
1. molested by a cousin at 10
2. raped by a boyfriend at 17
3. married to a man with bipolar disease for six years who continually abused me
4. son kidnapped at 14 mos.
5. lived homelss for 3 months
6. help captive at knife point in my own home
7.lost a baby
8. had an adoption overturned and have never seen my little girl again
9. Husband spent almost a year continually molesting my daughter right under my nose
10. gave birth to a baby and almost died because my doctor refused to believe me when I told her something was wrong (had seizure and my heart stopped)
11. my baby lived 9 days in the NICU struggling for her life.
12. my 29 year old sister just diagnosed with pancretic cancer

When I look at this list I see very few things that were not a direct result of free will.
Even through it all I cling to the hand of my Saviour as if my life depends on it becasue IT DOES.
 
I responded to this. But decided to delete the message. Maybe I can respond later in another form, another time, or another life.

Prayers and best wishes for all of our journeys towards health, healing and happiness
 
I allowed myself to be abused and treated very poorly because of my fear and belief that God wanted me to stay in the relationship. At the same time I didnt lose my connection to a voice inside me, that I knew was full of love and which in the end got me out of the psychological trap I was in. I just couldnt match that voice I felt inside of me to my concept of God, and that caused a whole lot of confusion and inner turmoil.

After my divorce I was often still scared and completely terrorized that God wanted me to return. And I always had to remind myself that God would never want me to do something I didn't want to do. But I think I am still struggling with this.

Just a couple months ago I had this realization that I was always was upset and angry at God for causing all my suffering... but that it wasn't God who was cheating me, but myself, and that God was always with me. Always there.

I am even scared to come back at this thread and read your responses...

Hoping this won't be scary :).

When anyone else uses beliefs about God to make themselves better than others, or to deny their experience or try to make themselves into others' gods... they are making two mistakes from my point of view. First they are mistaking themselves for God. Second they are mistaking themselves for someone else by trying to make another person's moral judgments for them. Not to say there aren't moral rules. There are. But how to apply them out of our own response-abilities is a decision that can only be made by the actor.

My best friend got divorced (legitimately so IMHO) and felt much as you described. Her mother got a whole new view of her newly-ex H, and, despite having discouraged the divorce, within two months said "I can't imagine how you stayed married to him for so long!" Her mother is a difficult and sometimes unreasonably rigid person. So when BF and I were talking about whether God would want her to go back to her marriage, I started out by saying "Could we begin by assuming that God is at least as reasonable and compassionate as your mother?" (Which, in context, seemed like an absurdly low bar for God to clear.)

My BF was firmly in the grip of a nominally Christian ideology - but it was awfully strong on the letter of the law, and pretty weak when it came to the spirit of the law. There seems to be a lot of that going around.

There was a Buddhist teacher (whose name I can't spell) who talked about something he named "spiritual materialism" .... I was going to write a bunch of stuff - but in the meantime I saw this, and I think this guy wrote it much better than I was going to.

[DLMURL]http://www.danoah.com/2011/11/im-christian-unless-youre-gay.html[/DLMURL]

If I haven't worn you out yet: Here is some theological thinking...

When I was pretty young - less than 14 for sure - I remember sitting in church and looking at the cross and thinking how totally perverse it was that we were all sitting inside (it was an absolutely glorious spring day in MA) staring at an instrument of torture and calling that praising God. I kind of get it now (although I stall can't quite see staying in a man-made "cathedral", when God's is all around us.) Here is what I figured out.

I start with the observation that "sacrifice" means to trade the lesser good for a greater good. (Other wise it is just being imprudent and or stupid.)

A lot of Christians start with Christ on the cross. The sacrifice. But what is the lesser good? and What is the greater? The lesser good being traded is apparently the balance of the human life of a perfectly virtuous man (who could be expected to have the best life possible given the circumstances) and his pain in being tortured to death. What is the greater good? As best I can understand it, what Jesus was "buying" on the cross was the possibility of changing the course of your life for all of humankind, for the rest of time. This is a controversial interpretation (they all are) but it is the one that makes the most sense for me. Heck of a trade, really, if that's what it was. I think of it as a kind of "loosening" of causation, maybe even of "karma". So after the Cross, the universe is a more forgiving and encouraging place. Still harsh, still painful, still difficult, still full of risk and suffering - but with more potential for good.

Coming from there (and lots of people who espouse Christianity don't, I know, and I wouldn't presume to say who is correct here) it seems to me that the "good news" of Christianity is that each of us are individually as worthy of this sacrifice as we all are collectively. This is a bit paradoxical at first - but there is a kind of logic based in the claim that "When we save one life, we save an entire world" that leads us to the conclusion that the individual is more than just a fraction of the whole. The individual has infinite worth in herself, and so, even if the rest of the world were not at stake, still the sacrifice would be justified for her. But it is a kind of sacrifice that only a perfectly virtuous man or a god could knowingly make. For creatures like us, our abilities are best suited for developing our own virtues and caring as best we may for the development and flourishing of others. So that is what we should focus on doing.


Way way way too long a post. That's what I get for trying to write anything about faith with a five year old in the house!
 
Dear Eleanor and Beverly, I want to say thank you very much for your replies. And because I don't want to be misunderstood, I just want to say that I agree very much with free will. And I am really sorry to read through Beverly's list. As I said in the other post on another thread, you must be incredibly brave and strong.

For whatever reasons, my free will was taken from me, or I believed for some reason that I had no choice in the matter. I wasnt ready to share why this is so, and still not ready. Currently I'm just not well and having problems sorting through everything. So again I wish you all the best prayers and healing.

And also thank you Eleanor for your links and the information you posted here. I am very glad to hear about the term "spiritual materialism." I looked it up and the description rings quite a bell with me. I also liked that blog entry. Thank you again for your reflection and kind words.
 
Hi Nadia,

Busy day, here. I am glad you liked the link! I'm sorry you are having a rough stretch right now. There are no deadlines in working through this sort of thing. Maybe it is the same as with training horses "the fast way is the slow way." So take your time, be gentle with yourself. I am sending calm and clear energy your direction. Don't worry about replying - that's the nice thing about email friendships - you can show up when you can, no urgent deadlines;). WHEW.
 
Dear Eleanor, what beautiful words about 'each person' (and overall). :)
(And boy did I laugh, about the 'low bar', you are too sweet and funny. :) )

I personally just wonder, if (from a 'Christian', as in 'believing Jesus exists/ existed') viewpoint, if the Cross is simply as He said, "love others as I have loved you". That kind of love has no room (to me) for prejudice, or hatred, or exclusion of any kind.
If it 'could' be so, everyone would be (truly) like a 'brother' or 'sister', to everyone else.

I've heard it described, that Jesus always tried 'to heal the hurt of the hurter', without 'hating' the hurter themself. That doesn't condone ever what is done wrong (including abuse or inferring one 'should' accept abuse, of course). So Nadia, Beverly, 'all' of us as it applies, to accept wrong behaviour from others, no, I could never imagine God would want that. Nor condone it. (Though I imagine He certainly can more than relate to every horror imaginable, especially that done interpersonally).

I don't know the Bible very well, but I often think, when it came to 'Easter', had He not healed 'Lazarus' it wouldn't have put everything in motion the way (and when) it did- but He did it anyway. For just one man and a couple of sisters, really. (Maybe even more for 'them' because I imagine Lazarus would have been 'fine' with Paradise. :) )
And that they said "Jesus cried".

Hey, btw Eleanor, having a 5 year old at home is an example of Perfect love, and faith (and Patience, lol, :) xox).
 
I think the 'hardest' thing about Easter- not sure if it's because of the "faith and ptsd" reality(?) - is believing Jesus could love me, or like that. You can 'hear it', 'know it' (by actions), but it's hard to believe.
(Or end up with alternative of thinking Jesus must be 'crazy', (lol ugh). :rolleyes: )

Oh well. Happy Beautiful Easter everyone.
xox
(((Hugs)))
 
Today, I came back from my doctor. I told him how I couldn't move this morning and yesterday morning, and have been having flashbacks of an event that happened so long ago I dont remember it. How terrible and scary this was and how I literally felt paralysed this morning and remained in one position for 3-4 hours. He said that I was real strong and that I am going to make it. I was amazed that he was so nice today. And then I came home and listening to the song by Lighthouse Family. And just started to cry and cry.

And I just had this thought. I realized how many people are helping me and keeping me alive. There are so many people, helpers, angels, beings of light, keeping me alive. I think that is faith somehow. I hope one day I can say thank you.

I love the text to this song and just wanted to share it:

I wish I knew how it would feel to be free
I wish I could break all the chains holding me
I wish I could say all the things that I should say
Say 'em loud say 'em clear
For the whole wide world to hear

I wish I could share
All the love that's in my heart
Remove all the bars that keep us apart
And I wish you could know how it is to be me
Then you'd see and agree that every man should be free

I wish I could be like a bird in the sky
How sweet it would be if I found I could fly
Well I'd soar to the sun and look down at the sea
And I'd sing cos I know how it feels to be free
 
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