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I've Been Kidnapped And Put On A Cruise Ship!

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I'm so damn hurt, and completely let down and disappointed - I really wanted to believe he would give it a chance, I hate it when people prove me right.

I might need a moment to calm down, I can't stop crying and this isn't good for bubz.
 
Raised the topic last night. Did not scream or shout, or raise my voice.

When it became apparent that he just didn't get it, I asked a few well thought out questions.

What about ANY of your responses to HER (volunteers) answers to your questions was positive or constructive?

Could ANY of your responses be seen in a positive light?

How is stating that I am supposedly bedridden and unable to do ANYTHING for the dog in any way helpful to the picture we were trying to offer as a foster home?

Given that you reply off the cuff, and don't put things together - do you think that all the negative behaviours of the dogs that the volunteer was describing could have been a result of someone who was incapable of handling the dog?

If you had been looking for constructive rather than destructive ways to look at the situation - why not ask me what solutions I had afterwards?

I am extremely good with dogs, everyone who knows me well has seen this for a fact, if you really did believe in my abilities to foster and 'ressurect' these dogs, why are you so concerned about their supposed behaviours?

The volunteer described dogs which were "good luck in keeping them off the couch", had separation anxiety, tore things up after being left alone for 40minutes, and dogs who went to the toilet inside, and took 2-3 days to figure out the personality of the dog.

How many of these traits match dogs from your past?

Do you think this is indicative of someone who knows what they are doing on a knowledgeable level?

If you have a concern about the dogs, why not ask me - the person who will be negating all of these issues - not the volunteer - how to deal with it?

Where in your responses was there any indication in the faith of my supposed abilities that you rave about to other people?

After several questions like this, and both of us managed to reach an equilibrium, and he did state several times that he could see that his benchmarks for things were much lower than mine, and that he had not supported me, and had been rather inappropriate.

I stated to him that I had placed trust in him not to be an ass, and he had completely and utterly let me down, hurt, humiliated and destroyed me and left me with no confidence in not having to deal with his negative responses to the dog.

He did also mention - which I hate - but is in my nature, that I tend to try to find ways around things that I've been told 'no' to, and he didn't want to be walked over. I don't know that I walk over him, but I will certainly try hard to bring someone around to my point of view with logic and appropriate scenarios.

I said that this was fair enough, but given that I had asked him for each of his concerns, and addressed and negated each one - how was I walking over him?

I also said to him that it would not be fair for him to complain about things like fleas, cats getting chased etc, because - given my track history - had I ever let an animal get hurt in my care, or remain in poor condition?
He was very chagrined at that question.

He stated that he felt that my understanding of how the situation would turn out if I DID go ahead and get the dog was incorrect and almost demanded an opportunity to prove me wrong.

He said that he understood that his responses had removed my faith in him (in THIS particular topic), and he wanted the opportunity to get to know the dog, and understand what it was about, before he started having issues.

I bluntly stated throughout the entire conversation that based on his behavior with the volunteer, as well as conversations prior - I did not feel supported, and could not risk the likelyhood of having to deal with his shit.

At the end of it, I could see that he was really unhappy with himself, and he had also realised that his concerns would be listened to at any time.....but the conversation last night was not the time to raise those concerns.

I did also say to him that if he did have concerns, to write them down, and I would provide a response to each of them, or find a solution until he was happy - his concerns to me were completely valid, but his behaviour was not!

He did also say that he wanted to do this for my health, as well as the baby's, and that both of those were really important to him - and yes - before I open my mouth - he could see that he had not supported that point of view by him for him.

At the end of the whole thing I just said to him that we had come to an agreeable equilibrium (although I still had not agreed to bring home the dog), I forgave him for the whole incident, and I would like to start fresh.

Did I handle this ok?

I didn't want to walk over him or guilt trip him into anything, I just wanted to let him know that he had REALLY let me down, and how he had done that.
 
things that I've been told 'no' to

I'm not sure, if I got everything right, that you've written, but the statement above is IMO very special. "Things that you've been told no"... Well, this sounds a bit as he was talking to a child? But it's really just my gut feeling, that I would feel as treated as a child.

From my experience with men whether in friendship or relationship, this is a tactical behavior to make you feel insecure about your own opinions... And it's also a bit of a power game, to achieve his goals and to legitimate his behavior. But as I mentioned, this is my experience with men who don't want to accept or to admit something their partner wishes, wants or needs. So they turn the tables on you...
and he didn't want to be walked over
Well, so what about his changing his minds for first saying yes and then no, and then put a bit of guilty feeling to you?...
Did I handle this OK?
YES! (puts a golden star on your chest :tup:)

It's important for me, that you don't get my post the wrong way. I don't judge your partner. Absolutely not. And if I didn't get your message right, please let me know Bubzy, OK?
 
And if I didn't get your message right, please let me know Bubzy, OK?
:hug:
All good, it was a complicated conversation!

Things that you've been told no
Unfortunately, he is right, I can most certainly be like this.

After dealing with a father who went out of his way to control, I learnt to be quite devious to get around his control freak nature.

It's proving to be a long time in the unbreaking. :notworthy:

Well, so what about his changing his minds for first saying yes and then no, and then put a bit of guilty feeling to you?...

Why do you think he got such a savage bite in the arse?
I also pointed out that I have worked with him on each of the concerns he raised.....so how exactly was I walking over him??

He retracted that point.
He has always had 2 responses in bad situations:

1. I (he) didn't do it deliberately (ie roll on my hair in bed)
2. Just listen to what the other person has to say, don't just discard it

And my response to those are,

1. I don't give a f*ck if it was deliberate - you didn't think before you acted!!
2. If I have listened to your concerns, and then negated them successfully, it doesn't mean I've discarded it, it means that solutions have been found, and you're now clinging to a moot point!

this is a tactical behavior to make you feel insecure about your own opinions
Fortunately, he is not like that, but he does make a point of making sure his point isn't 'discarded'.


puts a golden star on your chest

Why thank ya! :angelic:
 
The no part bothered me a little too. That would bother me if you were the one doing it or if he was. A relationship is a compromise.

The rest I can understand because my husband and I have had disagreements over pets. Despite all his complaining though, over the years, I have seen him(caught him) babying the pets. Don't worry I've pointed that out when he complains. lol I couldn't imagine being without my pets. If I could I'd have more, but that is where we compromised, on how many we have. To be fair to my husband, because of my illness, much of the care has been put on him. Which isn't fair, but just how it worked out with the illness. With my depression, I think it would be worse without.

I hope you two can find a compromise, if not with the animals, then with other things where you are not cutting back in order to do your hobbies or things that could/would help in making you feel better.

No judgement here. I know you are venting and it is good to get it out. Just breathe as my son reminds me.
 
I typed out a really long response.....and then accidentally clicked back and lost it all!

I will vent shortly......today has been a pretty awful day.

Long story short - I drove, he navigated.

I'm inexperienced driver and anxious.
He is useless( with navigation specifically) and wouldn't know initiative if it bit him on the arse and fatally infected him
 
Rawr!

Hello people, I'm still pretty super exhausted but I got up, had a shower, had breakfast and my pregnancy supplements, and promptly returned to the comfort of bed!
right click and click undo
Thanks Britt, but no workie!

I know you are venting and it is good to get it out.
Yeah it does help, but at the same time I've also found that it can reinforce feelings regarding issues that were solved during discussion, but the mind tends to forget such resolutions, and hold onto the emotion!

I did have a bit of a vent to my bro, who has been in the car when stuff like that happened, so at least I have his support and empathy.

Our conversation started something like this;

Me: Drove to doctors app today
Him: How'd ya go?
M: He navigated
H: :eek:LMFAOOOOOO
M: :mad:
H: *ahem* :speechless: I mean - ar F*CK!
M::sour: It's not just me though is it?
H: LMFAO no :hilarious:

I should have the pics of the ultrasound soon.
As I was saying in the thread Going Off Medication, mum has been unable to keep her mouth shut regarding the pregnancy, and I'm annoyed, hurt and feeling quite betrayed by it, especially given how clearly we laid out that it was OUR news to share, and we would do so in our own time.
 
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Meet 'froggie'.



Apparently things are textbook at this stage.

Other half drove today.

On the way wasn't so bad.

On the way back was f*cking awful, he didn't listen to instructions, or ignored the ones I gave, and 'trusted' my directions when I said things like - "this should be X road", he didn't check to see if it was, he just blindly turned, and kept going and going and going til I looked up from my phone and asked where the flying f*ck we were!

Did the same thing at another intersection, where a road intersected ours on a corner, so he was told by myself and the GPS to keep right on X road, so the f*cker didn't even check the road signs, he just decided to go straight, after being told 3 times not to!

So I refused to navigate the rest of the way home, and turned on voice navigation and ignored him the rest of the way home.

Did wonders for my anxiety.
 
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