• We are a multilingual website again. Read the notice about this.
  • Understand AI use at MyPTSD: all AI use is explained in our AI help page. AI use is by choice here. It exists if you want it, but does nothing unless you choose to use it.

" The Laundry Must Be Folded This Way", " The Floor Must Be Mopped That Way"

Status
Not open for further replies.
Personally I think it's a big jump to start assuming he has narcissistic personality disorder but that is just me. I see his behaviour as unhealthy and emotionally abusive/controlling but there is a big jump between that and saying he has a personality disorder or that he is physically dangerous (if I am understanding others). I start thinking that way too but I am aware that I may start jumbling up experiences of my own and people that I have known with this different situation. Many people are controlling and emotionally abusive to various extents without having a personality disorder and we know little here. There may be a lot more we don't know of course and things can escalate. And I may be over compensating as a result of attempting to keep my own stuff separate.

Personally I would be very surprised if the compulsive side of it is not linked to OCD type issues. The blaming of others for his emotions and the critical and controlling behaviour is a separate issue. I do think criticism and controlling behaviour is a form of aggression or passive aggressive behaviour and is emotionally abusive. It isn't as if this is happening in just one or two areas of your lives.

He is unreasonably obsessed with things being cleaned in certain ways and things being done in certain ways. He thinks others will judge if it isn't done that way. He criticises how it is done and re does it himself after if he is not satisfied and attempts to tell you how to he wants you to do it. The obsession is likely to take longer to deal with and needs to be handled more gently but his not taking ownership of it needs to stop and he needs to start being considerate of your feelings and how his obsessions effect you. You need firm boundaries.

I see he is having treatment which is good. Could you raise this issue with him and ask him to discuss it with his therapist? How long have you lived together?
 
Last edited:
For example I am wearing my trousers "too long" and my husband will remind me from time to time

That is not OCD that is trying to control what you wear and it is abusive. Why do you think your trousers are too long? You wear them how you like, he does not have a say in it. Do you really think they are too long or is that something he thinks and wants you to agree with him?
 
You made me very sad. I thought that this might be normal for a PTSD sufferer.

My husband does not "punish" me. He does nitpick, sometimes he does something again when he think it has not been done correctly, like for example with the floor. He thinks I am unable to pack the car trunk and either he wants to do it or he re-packs it later.

That is not OCD that is trying to control what you wear and it is abusive. Why do you think your trousers are too long? You wear them how you like, he does not have a say in it. Do you really think they are too long or is that something he thinks and wants you to agree with him?

Well, he said that if my trousers are too long people will judge me by it + will think lesser of me + I am too young to understand + he has been around for a while and knows a lot of people think like this + that I might step on them and fall one time, might be holding our kid then and he might get hurt, which is an unreassonable fear. I do roll them up and when I don't or they come down I sometimes do step on them but never fell.
I actually do not mind how long my trousers are. I just wear them as I buy them and they really are somewhat too long sometimes. I have short legs and it is very hard to get hold on trousers which are that short, most shops just don't sell them. I wish they were somewhat shorter, but I think bringing them to the tailor's would be over the top, waste of money + sorry to say that... a little bit what a pricket does.
 
he said that if my trousers are too long people will judge me by it + will think lesser of me + I am too young to understand + he has been around for a while and knows a lot of people think like this

He is using his age as somehow telling you he knows more than you about wearing trousers? People judge you by the length of your trousers??? Sounds like something my ex H told me. He disapproved of me dying me hair so he told me that anyone who tells me that my hair looks nice is just saying that to be nice, they don't really mean it, they are just being polite. He knew these things too. Control pure and simple

And I don't see how that is OCD at all, it is about her trousers not his and he is telling her he knows better than her because he is older, that is not OCD
 
he said that if my trousers are too long people will judge me by it + will think lesser of me + I am too young to understand + he has been around for a while and knows a lot of people think like this +
In the UK there is presently an advertising campaign against emotional abuse.

It shows a woman about to go out and her husband saying to her gently, "are you going out like that? Do you want people to think you are cheap?". She changes and is about to leave and he lovingly says to her, "now don't embarrass yourself. You know I love you too much to let you do that."

There are then subtitles that say something along the lines of, "not all abuse is physical".
 
The mere fact he is using his age to tell her he knows better than her and that other people will judge and think lesser than her because she is wearing long trousers is emotional abuse. Don't excuse OCD and big pain in the ass so he gets away with that behaviour. It is demoralising and belittling and if it goes on to any extent it will pull her down. Agreed Facts must be faced
 
Ed, I think cause and effect are two different things. A sustained pattern of controlling and undermining behaviour is emotional abuse. Whether underlying issues fuel it a little is not relevant to whether it is acceptable or not when it harms another person. Yes, potentially these things can be treated if the person is willing to work to do so. And yes, Iwillmaketea needs to learn assertiveness and set boundaries. It is still emotional abuse though.
 
Yes which is why she needs to realise it is not part of PTSD behaviour or even OCD and it is perfectly reasonable to tell him it is demeaning and he needs to treat her with respect.

When she told him this about the floor he then threw it back on her and blames her for being too sensitive, again shifting blame for his shoddy behaviour. So she has done that and he has shifted it back on her again.

Hopefully he will realise it is wrong, if IMT points it out but IMHO IMT needs to be fully aware that it is not acceptable behaviour and not enable it. But ultimately he is the one responsible for his behaviour and the blame should not be shifted to IMT or be excused by PTSD or OCD or any other mental illness. Emotional abuse is abuse full stop.
 
It's of course extremely difficult to divine anothers motivations, regardless of the situation or how well you know them. So trying to do so without knowing him at all, hearing his tone, witnessing the body language, "attitude", or knowing what lead up to it...makes it fairly impossible.

But it is controlling and insensitive, in my opinion...whatever his motivation may happen to be/have been. And it is demeaning. I've encountered people who do exactly this sort of thing...but as with most behaviors...out of more than one motivation/intention. While it is an attempt to "put someone under their thumb", so to speak...it is as much an attempt to test them...is it someone who is willing to stand up for themselves, and not take their crap? Many times, I've found, that when you do exactly that...not only are they not negative, and do not "lash out" as a result...but give a kind of smile as though to say "allright, so you past the test...you're someone worthy of respect...I see that, and am now willing to be your friend, and give you the credit you're due". Oftentimes, I believe, people test others as a matter of determining who they'll be close to/friends with...as people don't generally consider someone they don't respect as friend/relationship material. Unfortunately, the same people who see the world in terms of such tests being justified, often see it in terms of being justified in mistreating/using those who don't pass the tests. It seems the rationale is "the world's a challenging place, where the weak get eaten--a dog eat dog world"...in other words, if you don't prove you're not willing to be "eaten"...it's your own fault when they eat you.

Unfortunately, people with a history of trauma often see conflict as something to be avoided at all costs...after all, we have an outsized reaction to stress, due to changed neurophysiology, we are "adrenalized"...sensitive. So it's no surprise, therefore.
But the rest of the world sees conflict as natural, and just "part of a normal day", from their perspectives, generally, it seems.
...And in a way, it is. You can't get far if you're not willing to engage conflict. Conflict is as natural as friction...it's everywhere all the time, from the minutiae, to the major versions.

The way I've come to look at things like these are as "opportunities for growth"---I don't want to be the kind of person who avoids conflict, and so, is beaten by it, before I even engage it. So in order to do that, I have to be presented with it, for a chance to practice. Right? That's how we get better at things. So having the opportunity to practice on someone who (hopefully) isn't going to fire you or hit you, is actually a safer situation in which to do so (of course, if he's physically abusive, that's another thing entirely, and I hope you'll just get out asap).

So when it comes up, I "label" it...recognize it as "opportunity to practice"...and engage it...and don't care how badly I do. Just give it my best. Maybe I end up shaking and stuttering. Getting laughter and ridicule. So who cares? I still won....I engaged it rather than running from it. So next time, I'll have a little more practice, and do a little better. That's how getting good at something works.
The real loss, I've found, though...is accepting the feeling of shame and diminishment of doing nothing whatsoever, and just taking it.
Every time I do that, I feel as though I must deserve it. And that makes sense, when I think about it...in a way...I've "earned" that kind of treatment...simply by virtue of verifying that I deserve it...because I didn't prove that I don't think that I do deserve it, by refusing to accept it. So I've kind of verified that it was legitimate, in a way. And so it gets even harder when it comes up, the next time. It's as though I've set a precedent, myself--and I think...well, I must deserve it...I seemed to last time...I guess I do now, as well.
And each time, I slide further down the ladder...until saying something effectively becomes well-nigh impossible.

I've gone through such "periods", and climbed out again, often enough to know that that's how to do it (at least for me)...when I'd have to spend any time with my parents, for example--more than a few days---when I was younger---I'd develop a stutter. Until I began to "detach" from it...by just seeing it as an opportunity to practice...it affected me too much to engage it.
Hope that helps, in some way.
 
http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url=http://cmhc.utexas.edu/pdf/PowerControlwheel.pdf&ei=WkfSUtaWMoiElQWenoG4BA&usg=AFQjCNG4Lp20fvgdU-Nu4d0XfZWyJj2h0A&bvm=bv.59026428,d.dGI

Just in case, I found this power and control wheel very useful when I finally woke up to my ex's abuse. Not saying this is the case with IMT but that it was invaluable to me. I could tick off just about every category.

I never thought I was being abused, till I finally woke up, as I was dissociating and in denial. So just because you don't realise how abusive the relationship is because you accept it, does not mean it is not in fact abusive. Not that this is the case with IMT. She may not feel she is abused but sometimes you wake up and face the facts. She has described some very worrying things in just a few lines she has written. I would never have admitted the physical abuse to anyone. I was too ashamed.

Hopefully this is not the case. But I wish someone had helped me out and pointed out a lot earlier to me, so sorry if this is inappropriate.
 
.I do not think that hubby is abusing me.

He is a very friendly and soft-spoken guy, never raises his voice, in never saw him angry.

He definetly has a problem with things cleaned the "wrong way" or put in the "wrong order" + he definetly sometimes does not aknowledge that but claims that it is how the things ought to be done.

I want to learn more about how it makes him feel when things are done "wrong", so I can understand his reaction better. It may be just me but sometimes I think he is close to tears when a thing is done wrong. While it is hard to tell how he is feeling because he has a pokerface my intuition tells me "he looks like he is going to cry any minute".
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Hubby is seeing a therapist. I am sure he talks with him about that.

He did not want to go into detail about his therapsit when I asked him a while ago but asked me to have some trust.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
You know... I think if he has not adressed it yet he will adress it when he feels ready for it.

My guy has been trough a lot. I know he is a good man + want to be his safe place.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
This DEFINITLY subtly erodes your confidence, I have been putting up with this behavior for 8 years, and it has totally messed with my head. I used to go out, be a pretty happy go lucky person with lots of friends. Now I am a shadow of who I was in a lot of ways. Since we agreed we are no longer together it has been a little better. What struck me as similar about your guy was the attitude with which he refuses to address the problem. If I was in your situation I would refuse to do the floors. It didn't work for me though, I once went two weeks without loading the dishwasher, just did all the dishes by hand, he didn't even notice. So as an experiment, I loaded the dishwasher, but left it open. An hour later I caught him in there reorganizing my dishes. Hopeless.

Just wanted to state that I so appreciate your honesty, and forthrightness. It's not easy at all for me to admit how I've been affected by situations, and the negative effects they've had. 8 years is....wow...something. You should be proud...of how resilient you've been just to suffer such a situation for so long. Really. I think it's safe to say that most would not have fared nearly so well. What an ass. Sorry, but really. Just couldn't not say it.

Just wanted to add, a person who loves you should love the way you do things, mostly think your idiosyncrasies are cute, and even if they sometimes get irittated by them they should not undermine you that way. If he is very enthusiastically positive about most of the things you do but just has a floor quirk, thats one thing, but it sounds more widespread then that. I had to deal with this kind of critique in all aspects of the relationship. It really caused me to stop wanting to express myself at all. I'm learning there is a person in there again and its pins and needles now, everything is so emotional, but at least it's not numb.

Kudos for such a great, encouraging post. Truly, the pins and needles of "waking up" are better than numbness by far...even though they may not feel better.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
This is just my personal experience, and as person with PTSD, when my stress levels are really high and I am feeling anxious and scared, I become more controlling over the little things in life that I have control over. It gives me a sense of security, when everything else seems to be so out of control.

Of course, recognizing this, I find it is a good signal that I need to back down and get some things off my plate or pursue another method of stress relief. Obsessing over little things that don't really matter in the scheme of life is a waste of my time. No one cares if the edges of the towels are perfectly matched as they are going to grab one out of the linen closet on the way to the shower. So instead of making the folds of the towels perfectly symmetrical, I'll save that time for the gym.

I am not going to say this is the same for your husband. Frankly, if he likes the floor mopped a certain way let him mop it, but when you mop it, he needs to just live with the fact that you do it differently. Different is not "wrong".

Only a mental health professional can diagnosis his behavior, but you can set some boundaries with him in the areas where his behavior causes you distress. Be honest about how you feel and encourage open communication and compromise. My H is a tornado, but he knows where everything is in his disorganization. So he has his "space" and is free to keep it as he sees fit. He is an individual and an adult and has as much right to be himself as I do.

If you find there is not a willingness for acceptance and compromise, then I would be concerned the relationship is heading towards an abusive trend.

Just my .02.
 
My partner has severe inattentive ADD and, to be honest, I behave in a way towards her, at times, not all that different than what you are describing. I offer this up because I know that when I am much more anxious or destabilized, I am much harsher in expressing my frustration with how her ADD impacts our home and its order. Mind you, her ADD is extreme. The stories I could tell... But, out of context, a given moment might look extremely "abusive." Yet it would always be a small fragment taken out of context. It would not reveal the calm downtime in which we are able to talk openly and respectfully about what is going on. It would not reveal the real respect and love we touch into every day. It would not reveal the intense energy I put into working with my therapist on how to cope with her symptoms and my own reactions to them. Or her own conversations with her therapist. I guess I am wary of overusing the term abuse. Having experienced really dehumanizing abuse myself, I want to be very careful to not conjure the power of that phrase when it is too strong a name for what is going on. And I think that mostly because this sounds like a situation in which you have a lot of power to exercise your own agency productively and still work *with* him rather than framing him too strongly as someone who is disturbed or violent, etc. I wouldn't want to diminish that by branding it with a name that conveys a certain narrative. Still, I very much hope you can do joint therapy or otherwise find a way to assert your own needs with him and initiate an authentic dialogue about what is going on. Good luck!
 
PS. I just wanted to append the following to what I wrote. The distinction I am drawing is not between emotional abuse and other types of abuse. I've witnessed profound emotional abuse that is devastating for its victim. The distinction I was trying to make is between situations in which the person being maltreated by another has agency *within* the relationship to communicate and assert herself or himself.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Donation drives

2026 Donation Goal

Goal
$1,800.00
Earned
$910.00
This donation drive ends in
0 hours, 0 minutes, 0 seconds
  50.6%

Trending content

Featured content

Back
Top Bottom