Darwin And Pts.

[anthony]

I had an interesting conversation with a friend about Darwin and PTS.

Regardless whether PTSD evolves into PTSI, it is a mute point in relation to what it is right now.

I'm with @CrazyHorse actually, in that I just don't even see a correlation in your argument that is relational to what PTSD actually is. It's as though you've taken minute details of PTSD for use in your discussion, skipping far more important aspects of what PTSD is currently known to be. There is no physical injury to the brain with PTSD.

What gets me with definitions, going back to the PTSD vs. PTSI debate, which you have used here, is that people use what they want to support their argument, but discard actual full meanings from definitions and instead replace such meanings with their own interpretation to support their argument... which is often wrong from the get go.

Injury:

• Damage or harm done to or suffered by a person or thing: escaped from the accident without injury; a scandal that did considerable injury to the campaign.
• A particular form of hurt, damage, or loss: a leg injury.

Disorder:

• A lack of order or regular arrangement; confusion.
• An ailment that affects the function of mind or body: eating disorders and substance abuse.

Whilst you CAN fit psychological trauma to the brain within the definition of injury, that is not what the definition of injury was designed for when you read its defining characteristics. This is people "fitting" their own terminology or meaning into something that isn't. You can clearly read from the more accurate definition of disorder, it specifically classifies function of the mind or body being a disorder, and not an outright injury.

Traumatic Brain Injury is called an injury because a "psychical" act injures the brain, thus resulting in the outcome that limits mind or body function. PTSD is called a disorder because there is no physical injury to the brain, and instead the brain itself changes its functional ability that alters mind and body affect.

There is a significant difference between the two when defined according to the full definitions of each word. This eliminates such hypothetical discussions before they begin, because definitions are what we use in choice of words.

 

[Survivor2Thriver]

Regardless whether PTSD evolves into PTSI, it is a mute point in relation to what it is right now.

For me...it IS the point.

It's a journey through hell..I'll give it that! :(

Whatever you do ...keep walking.

My journey through PTS indicates it's an injury. An injury I wouldn't have otherwise experienced. Mental and bodily injuries injured my mind AND body causing me to randomly re live the trauma. Injuries sustained from idiots. The lessor evolved if you will. There's nothing wrong with me. I have limited responses. It's all about being attuned to your mind and body. Knowing your core. Or freak out at every unwelcome flashback. Stay stuck in the horror. Or roll with the flashbacks. Otherwise known as adapting and find my place and peace in the world by helping others understand peace in the world is the way to go.

We all share our stories in an effort for change.

Godspeed to all....

 

[Survivor2Thriver]

t I just don't even see a correlation in your argument that is relational to what PTSD actually is.

My friend was trying to suggest people who suffer PTS are the weakest link. Clearly that's not the case.

 

[Lucycat]

Mental and bodily injuries injured my mind AND body causing me to randomly re live the trauma.

There's nothing wrong with me.

I don't understand how these two sentences fit together.

 

[Survivor2Thriver]

I don't understand how these two sentences fit together

It is what it is Lucycat. The hardest thing (for me) to overcome is the sad fact human beings can be horrifically evil. Once you get past that...you heal with the God given (Mother nature,buddah allaha whatever you believe in) strength you already had to begin with and become stronger. :)

Trust the process.

 

[anthony]

@Survivor2Thriver your friend is an idiot. Every single human being can obtain post-traumatic stress from an event their brain uniquely finds too traumatic. Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder is then different again... and at present, the research shows there is nothing conclusive about genetic predisposition... which is purely hypothesis from a scientific view. PTSD is basically the end result from post-traumatic stress that just doesn't heal. For some it can happen after one event, for others it can take many events, then something simple may be the pressure point for the brain to break.

Nobody is immune from post-traumatic stress or PTSD, respectively. Again, your friend has no idea and really you shouldn't worry about what they say, because you can't change their mind.

This is nothing new to ignorance of mental health. I was ignorant until I suffered it myself.

 

[greenleaf]

I'm highly in favor of a general definition of "idiots" for people who call anyone with PTSD "weak"... :p

 

[Survivor2Thriver]

Thank you Anthony! I thought he was being sarcastic at first. Until I saw he was serious. Moi. Weak? Oh does he have much to learn! :) He's a long time friend and my PTS awareness mission begins with ...him. LOL

 

[anthony]

You can't teach the ignorant... it will only frustrate you. I was ignorant as a Sergeant in the Army, as I had soldiers getting discharged for PTSD. I had no idea what it was... all I thought is that operations broke them because they were weak. Then I got it and thought the same about myself... then I learnt.

I had people around me who didn't have it, yet understood it; I also had people just like me, who didn't understand it and couldn't comprehend it, other than I was weak. I never tried to educate them, because I knew it was useless, especially as I didn't really understand things myself. It takes years...

Those who understood it, were actually children of veterans who they believe their dads had PTSD / were actually diagnosed, which is where their understanding and ability to empathise came from when I was being diagnosed myself. A person either understands mental health, or they don't. It is that simple. I didn't until I had it.

 

[Survivor2Thriver]

Thank you for your service!

You can't teach the ignorant... it will only frustrate you.

As PTS survivors we must try.

Frustrate me? No.

Healing. Yes.

My siblings fell victim to the dysfunction around them. They are truly ignorant. There's no hope for them. Regardless I have hope for humanity. Imagine a world where everyone understands PTS. Imagine the changes in our social systems.

One person at a time Anthony. One person at a time. :)

 

[saffy]

I've seen it with my dog (a rescue) but they embrace the differences in the 'now' more quickly. They don't forget as people sometimes think.

Hi junebug,

I agree that some animals do show fear but is this due to association or something else?

very interesting thread anyway. If only we can rid our old associations to fearful things and embrace kindness and compassion. Unfortunately people can treat their animals far better than they treat their fellow humans. :)

best wishes
Saffy :)

 

[Survivor2Thriver]

But for people, we have formed other survival tactics. IT is not a simple battle of wits or strength until the other one backs down and goes to find water or food elsewhere or starve. Nor do animals have weapons of mass destruction or money to fight over or give more weight.

His theory is only the strong survive. Very flawed theory. And shallow at that. It's not entirely about strength and wit. The dinosaur was wiped out by an asteroid. The human spirit's driving force is good and evil. That's why we are human. Humans are the only species on earth who kill for no reason. Evolution is very slow. Aggressive/abusive people are the lag. It took humans thousands of years to learn the use of a simple fork. ~Sigh

Yeah..it's going to take thousands of years for humanity to understand our true purpose.

If you think of the survival of the fittest in the animal world it is a survival for food, water and territory and breeding. Of course the strongest will find food, water, food and territory,. Their strength is from instinct to survive and also depends on their health.

Exactly! It doesn't determine morality.