Poll Taking Things Literally.

[Philippa]

Thanks Springer, you're really right. It just hit me, I need to stop interacting with these people...and I need to stop looking at their videos, because they just bring out my reactive side, and I need to get better at not letting that win and being more choosing of how i respond and who I give my time and energy too. I've had more energy lately with doing the 5 tibetan rites, but wasting it on idiots like those guys is stupid.

 

[Go Hungry]

Yeeesh, MRA... that's all you had to say. I looked into them for a moment too, but even the mild ones are such jerks. I remember one who said he wanted to create a movement to get men into Women Dominated jobs such as lawyers, etc. Has he even looked at Congress lately?!

On another point though, yes I am pretty literalist at times. I've even pointed out to some employers that they have to tell me directly what they want from me, that if they make hints and insinuations, they are going to end up disappointed. I've been told that I'm too straightforward at times. I just don't understand the point of saying something sideways. It's just... inefficient, you know what I mean?

 

[Springer80]

I empathised with men on issues about male domestic violence and rape and how they are not considered to be important or 'as bad' and therefore invalid.

That's not a gender issue that's a rape issue. It's a human issue.
But let's not get into that because I don't think you need it right now and to be honest neither do I. :dead:

 

[Philippa]

Sounds like you need to just chill and rest and not try so hard for a bit?

I have been trying to get back into life, discussions, trying to understand what is going on in the world today, because I spent so much time totally cut off from it. But this is doing me no good.

By the way, I consider myself a feminist. Not a card carrying one but one just the same.

:) I did at one stage, but I think I started to lose my faith and got a bit disillusioned with some of the women I was exposed to and their attitudes. I noticed a certain lack of empathy for anyone who wasn't a woman, and certain cult like tactics that were employed if you didn't follow the party line, which I don't like and won't put up with, and when I brought up issues I considered important they were promptly poo pooed...so I do feel like I hold feminist principles still, but I am wary of the feminists I spend time with.[DOUBLEPOST=1401907722,1401907551][/DOUBLEPOST]

Yeeesh, MRA... that's all you had to say. I looked into them for a moment too, but even the mild ones are such jerks. I remember one who said he wanted to create a movement to get men into Women Dominated jobs such as lawyers, etc. Has he even looked at Congress lately?!

Have you checked out MGTOW? They want to invent a male womb!! I kid you not. There are actually these sad little boys out there working around the clock to come up with a way to invent a male womb so women will no longer be needed at all. :D

I just don't understand the point of saying something sideways. It's just... inefficient, you know what I mean?

I get that completely. I'm the same. It's strange to me that the rest of the world has such a hard time with honesty.

 

[Springer80]

being more choosing

Choose nice things

I need to get better

By allowing nice things...

 

[Go Hungry]

:) I did at one stage, but I think I started to lose my faith and got a bit disillusioned with some of the women I was exposed to and their attitudes. I noticed a certain lack of empathy for anyone who wasn't a woman, and certain cult like tactics that were employed if you didn't follow the party line, which I don't like and won't put up with, and when I brought up issues I considered important they were promptly poo pooed...so I do feel like I hold feminist principles still, but I am wary of the feminists I spend time with.

Well any bunch of people is going to have its jerks. I remember one page I used to go to where it had devolved into nothing but people triggering each other constantly. Ran like hell from that joint.

 

[Philippa]

That's not a gender issue that's a rape issue. It's a human issue.
But let's not get into that because I don't think you need it right now and to be honest neither do I. :dead:

Sure, it is a human issue, but these guys are making it a gender issue, and so are feminists in America apparently. I don't know what goes on over there. Apparently it's really full on though...feminists attacking men, tearing down their posters, trying to lobby against their bill to abolish male genital mutilation. I don't think we get any of that here in Australia, so it has been interesting to me to see the differences.

But yes, I agree, we don't need to go there.[DOUBLEPOST=1401908118,1401907908][/DOUBLEPOST]Thanks guys. This thread helped me feel like taking things literally is not something that only I experience, and his assertion that "most people would take it the way he meant it and understand straight away without a second glance, because they aren't literalists", was not accurate. there are people who take things literally and that isn't a bad thing. Sometimes it's good to take things at face value, and how it is meant because that IS how it is meant to be taken. I was given a lot of crap for taking things literally from my family growing up as well, come to think of it.

 

[Springer80]

I have been trying to get back into life, discussions, trying to understand what is going on in the world today, because I spent so much time totally cut off from it. But this is doing me no good.

Ah!...the old progress is achievement and ever increasing growth thingy. You know what I've only just started to feel, that it's okay just to be. To be me, to be me not doing much that would be considered important! :bookworm:

You know some people flog their guts out at work all their lives so they can move to the country and only see the postman and the baker.

I think you potentially have a better balance of things just around the corner. Relax, enjoy it! :cool: that's what it's there for. No capitalising on for the next improvement.:stop: God knows I've done that.:sorry:[DOUBLEPOST=1401908412,1401908273][/DOUBLEPOST]

Thanks guys

Your welcome,...it's been nice. Hope you have a nice evening :)

 

[LilBit]

Ok, I just skimmed through this thread. Someone asked, and I am surprised a moderator has not jumped in..... What is MRA and the other long acronymn?? You lost me a little at the beginning because I do not know what this stands for or what the group is. Remember we are from all over the world and others may not always know what it means.

 

[Deleted member 1860]

The Cali shooter was a member/supporter/whatever of the MRA. I need not say more about how whacky these idiots are.

 

[Hashi]

Women are human beings of the female sex, and feminists are idealogues who follow an ideology." Now, to me that seemed like he was saying that women who are not feminists are human and female, but feminists are not either of these things.

I haven't read all the replies, only the first post.

I don't understand why you see your response as taking what was said literally. You are reading things that aren't there. Where does it say anything about women who are feminists as opposed to women who aren't?

To take this literally would be to not add anything of your own interpretation about "women who are feminists" because nothing was said about them. Certainly nothing was said to exclude them from being human and female. And nothing was said to exclude the possibility of human female also being an ideologue who follows an ideology.

How is your interpretation literal?

And, just out of interest, are you assuming that all feminists are female? As in, all Marxists are Marx?

 

[Go Hungry]

Ok, I just skimmed through this thread. Someone asked, and I am surprised a moderator has not jumped in..... What is MRA and the other long acronymn?? You lost me a little at the beginning because I do not know what this stands for or what the group is. Remember we are from all over the world and others may not always know what it means.

MRA stands for Men's Rights Activists. They are a part of the MRM, the Men's Rights Movement. These are ostensibly dedicated to trying to combat misandry and promote equality between the sexes, but in truth it's about HATING WOMEN. That had to be capitalized because that's how terrible they are. They're the exact opposite of what men should be.