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General Is A Civvy Ptsd Group Good For Combat Ptsd

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A lot has happened to me in the time he's been dark now and at this point, I'm too symptomatic myself to even consider dragging anybody else into the picture.

I am sorry to hear. If there is anything I can do to help let me know.

There really is no need for a soldier to stumple upon those boards in order to feel the hate of some, though. It happens in the streets.
I was wearing Guy's uniform jacket when we were running errands one day because I'd forgotten to bring one and was freezing my butt off. Ended up with three ladies in my face, getting a proper earful about how all soldiers [...]

I am sorry that this happened to you and sorry that your guy felt hurt by it but it wasn't his fault.

We got both positive and negative comments. A lot of people think that they know my political convictions if I tell them my guy is a Vet and they don't or they think I want to talk politics and I don't.
I got some very positive comments like that of an old grandpa who told us he thinks it is so nice Guy and me have such a nice little family and he just wanted to thank us, him for his service, me for being a wife and mother. What a nice grandpa. We didn't know him, he was the friend of the friend of a friend and came over to thank us and give us a present (and it happened just when I was convinced that old people are grouchy old bags. Thanks for proving me wrong).
We got negative comments too but I am not sure if I may post them here or if people will feel dragged down.

There is a poem called "Tommy" by Rudyard Kipling. Do you know it?
"Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep"

By the way. I asked some people who were talking politics and "making mock of uniforms" to talk to me. We were all waiting for a train. I overheard them talking and told them politely I would like to talk with them about this. Their reaction? "Err... no... our train is coming. Will be here any minute". 40 minutes later the boarded the same train as me.
 
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Thanks, but much like Guy, I've got to figure this out myself. I've got a good team of docs and, luckily, a few really close friends who are not afraid to tell it how it is when I don't seem to know which way is up. It's bloody miserable, but despite being worse off than I was even back when I was first diagnosed, the survival instinct is strong. :)

For a ton of reasons, Guy's never worn his uniform in public. You can tell he's military, everything about him just oozes "soldier" (which is why the switch to civilian life really is doing him in after all this time), but the uniform'd never seen the light of day in public and wouldn't have done so that day if there had been anything else in the car, so this really was the only comment he's gotten. He wouldn't want to be thanked for what he did, I guess that would've been even worse for him, but those b***es really did a number on what little sense of self-worth I'd (MAYBE) managed to give to him. :(

I stay out of political discussions. There'll be no changing anyone's mind when it comes to this topic. I've spent so much time around military men and women in my life, I know the truth and so do they, so...let the ignorant ones talk. Not that it doesn't make me angry, but they're not going to learn unless (and let's hope that won't happen) it's their behinds on the line.

And yes, I'm familiar with "Tommy". It may hit uncomfortably close to home sometimes, but I like to think the true haters are a real minority here.
We all would prefer world peace (especially our soldiers, most likely!) but that doesn't mean anyone has the right to judge you for who or what you are.
...but since some people won't ever realize that, I honestly don't see the point in getting frustrated by trying to change the mind of a brick wall.
 
I see no issue with the group being led by a PTSD sufferer... but any group, regardless what it is, the leader of the group must have a strong enough personality to recognise issues, enforce the group rules (i.e. only one talks at a time and isn't interrupted) and lead the group in a positive direction at all times, so the group isn't wallowing in negativity.
 
I was not talking about the uniform. I think that's not what the poem is about but the "uniform" is a symbol for the soldier and the poem is about people who disresepct the soldiers while they are kept safe by them - but then I am pretty bad at interpreting poems. Always hated that in school ;)

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so...let the ignorant ones talk. Not that it doesn't make me angry, but they're not going to learn unless (and let's hope that won't happen) it's their behinds on the line.

Actually I do think it is possible to make people change their minds about a topic if a) they are smart and b) you present them with new information. Those people I talked about seemed to be students at a local college so I believed them to be smart and interested in new information. Unfortunately they were not.

You can tell he's military, everything about him just oozes "soldier" (which is why the switch to civilian life really is doing him in after all this time)

Why is the switch difficult for him?
My guy is very much himself - he is 100% ex military but also 100% himself. He served out of a feeling of duty because he is from a military tradition but always had plans about what to do after that and now he has started to make his plans reality... but I noticed he still has some odd military habits... like sometimes the way of talking (like saying "I have understood it like this" or "let's relocate that", that's military talk isn't it?) though it was "worse" when we met. When you asked him to do something he sometimes parroted it back to you and I used to think he wanted to annoy me until I met other spouses and theirs did the same. Now I understand him but now he isn't doing it anymore. It's a pity.
When you send him to buy something he went everywhere until he found the exact thing you needed. Is it that stuff you are talking about - because I am not really sure what you mean by "everything about him just oozes "soldier"".

Was it the dream job of your Vet? I think in this case it is more difficult. In case of mine it was more like "Okay. It's my obligation and I'll do it and after that I'll do what I want to do with my life"

He learned some stuff while in the service that now helps him on civvy street. He is pretty responsible and has a can do attitude. Through being with him I got a responsible attitude about stuff. I am in my twenties but feel "older". When I am with some other people my age I just think "They are so young". You know, so young like I will never be again.
 
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Of course the poem's not about the physical uniform. If it was, it'd be hella silly. ;)
The bit about Guy's uniform up there wasn't referring to the poem, either, though for the life of me I can't explain WTH my drug-addled and absolutely sleep-deprived brain really meant there. :cautious:

Guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree about the chance of changing peoples' minds when it comes to this topic. I've found that those raging against the military the loudest are those who only do it because being a die-hard pacifist if The Thing To Do, and when someone is weak-minded enough to blindly take the safe, "trendy" route by following the pack, they won't be convinced by anything anybody could say. They also won't even allow themselves to be pulled into a discussion because they usually don't have arguments for their behavior or way of thinking. Why? Because they're part of a hivemind that won't be broken.
It's the quiet ones that might listen.

When you asked him to do something he sometimes parroted it back to you
Funny you should say that. I do that, always have, just like the others things your guy says. I don't know if that'd necessarily be military talk...I guess it's shared between all lines of work that require absolute precision. Our language offers a ton of different ways of saying the same thing, but often only one precise AND concise option. I absolutely can see why it might get annoying, though! In fact, I've been told to talk like a normal civvy should more than once, even by Guy. :giggle:

What I meant by "everything about him just oozes 'soldier'" was - you don't even have to really look at him, a quick glance is enough and you'll know he belongs in a uniform, even when he's lounging in a beach chair in shorts and flip-flops. Look closer and every bit of his training is right there in his eyes, but everything from his posture to his mannerisms right down to the way he walks into a room even when he DOESN'T scan the crowd just screams 'military'.

This job was his life. He's given everything for this country, his mental and physical health, his family, (almost) all his friends, his marriage - everything. With his intellectual abilities, he could've been anything, but he chose this because it was right for him, even knowing that it'd most likely kill him. They would've kept him on, even with his health-issues, but he chose to walk away now because he didn't want me to have to live my life like "that".

When I met him, I knew I'd always be his third love, after his son (#1) and the army (#2), and I was fine with that because that was where he belonged.
What I didn't expect was that the military interference in our relationship (time constraints, mostly) would bother him as much as it did. Leaving it all behind was a complete knee-jerk reaction, especially at a time when he had too much on his plate already.
When he gave up the uniform, he gave up both his heart and himself. After well over two decades of doing what he'd always felt he was born to do, he's got to find a whole new way for himself now, as the civilian he never really was. It'll take a long, long time, if ever it happens at all.

I hate that I played a role in this, and my docs probably want to smack me around the ears for the guilt I'm heaping onto myself about it, but...nothing to be done about that now, it's just the way I am, and there are bigger problems for them to tackle at this point.
I guess I should simply be glad (and I definitely am amazed) he doesn't absolutely resent me for being the reason he made the biggest mistake of his life.
 
Should we relocate (*lol* ;)) the discussion to another thread? This is not about civvy support groups anymore. There used to be a combat PTSD thread but it has been closed because it was old and nobody wrote there.
 
I did that. New Thread is called "Calling Suppoters of People With Combat PTSD". I briefly described your and your husbands problem. I hope that this okay.
 
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