What Would This World Be Like If ....

[J_trustno1]

If no one was abused and this includes all types of abuse (domestic violence, child labor, sexual,verbal, emotional, child abandonment, animal abuse, slavery, physical abuse, genital mutilation and much more? ).

If everyone wasn't running after: name, fame, money, status, class, land?

If there was NO war, cultural/religious/racial hate.

I don't want to include religion because some people here do believe in it so don't want to hurt their feelings (Although I also believe that religion is also one the major catalyst for all these wars and cultural issues in this world throughout history ).

I personally feel that we won't be having such issues if none of the above wasn't happening in this world and in our homes. There won't be anyone on this forum, we won't be needing therapists or psychiatrists or counselors or antidepressants. There won't be self-hate, lack of self-worth, low self esteem, anxiety issues, abandonment issues, attachment issues, in fact this ptsd or depression wouldn't exist.

Lastly please do excuse me if I am being ignorant in my thread. I do have questions around philosophy sometimes... I would like to know others views.

Please feel free to move the thread if it doesn't belong in the discussion. Thanks for reading and participating in this thread :).

 

[rightkindofme]

I believe that the world would be better if no one was abused. I don't think we will get there.

 

[shimmerz]

I think this....

If everyone wasn't running after: name, fame, money, status, class, land?

Leads to this....

all types of abuse (domestic violence, child labor, sexual,verbal, emotional, child abandonment, animal abuse, slavery, physical abuse, genital mutilation and much more? ).

 

[Lionheart]

I believe that if everyone in the world truly valued their children; loved and nurtured them, then we would not have half of the problems we have.

I also think if everyone would learn mindfulness and kick back and partake of some medicinal grade marijuana that we would achieve world peace ( if only for a little while).

Also, If everyone would realize that the central fact of our lives is that we all have a terminal illness and that we are all going to die one day, that we would see spirits instead of people and all our views would change.

Just my personal philosophy I suppose. Thanks for the thread, it is nice to think of the world as a better place, I think it could be achieved if everyone was on the "same page".

("You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one" ~John Lennon~)

 

[Friday]

While I'm with you on eradicating abuse...

Without the rest of it? The world would be very boring without the dreams, ambitions, hopes, skills, talents, etc. of hundreds of millions.

Each and every single one of those things listed (aside from abuse) contains a spectrum. And in each of those spectrums falls wondrous and amazing things. As well as good, solid, admirable things.

Just to take one: Fame. Who is famous? If you only look at the idiots, grubbing after 15 minutes, willing to do anything? You've only got part of the spectrum. Shakespeare, Sun Tzu, Mohammed, Socrates, Galileo, Jimi Hendrix, Chaucer, Bodica, Joan of Arc, Sidhartha, Mulan, Mother Theresa, Mozart, Picasso, Mark Twain, Chesty Puller, Man'o'War (fine, he's a horse, but so too was Bucephalus), Herodotus, Buzz Aldren, Hatshepsut, Marco Polo, Pythagoras, Jung, Amelia Airhardt, Florence Nightengale, Pyotr Tchaikovsky, Nadia Comaneci, Einstein, Kipling, Chief Sealth, ... Thousands of names throughout the past and present that we only know because of their fame. Some of our greatest minds, and hearts, heroes, have faded into obscurity. Sometimes archeologists are able to dig them up and we are able to bask, and learn, and marvel in their stories. Are made better people & cultures by them. Standing on the shoulders of giants. More often, they're lost forever in the sands of time. Conversely, while our heroes/ thinkers/ explorers/ artists/ great leaders/ etc are famous? Who we hold up in infamy is equally important. "Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it." Our betrayers. Our villains. Those we strive against. Those that we also learn from, and determine to never repeat.

Fame is neither good nor bad. Like with most things, including the what-if list, it's what is done with it that determines it's worth. And that depends on the agency, the dictates of their conscience, of each individual.

 

[digger]

Fame is neither good nor bad.

Agreed, but most of the people you mentioned probably weren't running after it...

If everyone wasn't running after:// fame

I'd say their fame was more of a bi-product than their goal? I don't think the spectrum is so broad for those who have fame as their objective.

 

[Friday]

@digger.... While I've known a number of modernly famous people, most of whom did seek out fame (whether it was to become a world renowned this, or a globally respected that, or the best of the best in this, or lauded that), I think there's enough in history about the immortality of having your name live on after your body has gone to dust to presuppose that not everyone has rather unwillingly had greatness thrust upon them. That some, indeed, chose to aspire to it. Famous people, regardless of their deeds or legend, are just people. Good ones, bad ones. It makes sense that they'd have a variety of motivations, both then & now. But, while I personally prefer obscurity -and will go to great lengths to achieve it!-, I don't think that aspiring to greatness is something to look down upon. It's not my cup of tea, but I can respect it as a motivator.

 

[scout86]

I don't want to include religion because some people here do believe in it so don't want to hurt their feelings (Although I also believe that religion is also one the major catalyst for all these wars and cultural issues in this world throughout history ).

"Religion" the way I see it, is a human construct in an attempt to understand something that's really beyond our ability to completely understand. Most of those attempts, I think, start out as sincere efforts. (Some of them don't) Even what starts out sincere can be twisted by people running after those things you mentioned. If you look at those instances where religion leads to war and hate and conquest, I think you'll find that what's behind it isn't a search for the divine, it's a very "worldly" search for power of some sort. "Religion" is just the vehicle that's used to manipulate people towards that end.

 

[Anarchy]

A friend's T told her that she thinks that trauma has been with humans from the start, and gets passed down (along with new traumas getting added from wars, genocides, dictatorships and other statist shite, and the lesser private sector crap and natural disasters).

It's only in the past two or three decades that more and more people are starting to understand the role of trauma and how to begin to heal from it, and we don't know where that understanding will begin to lead us.

In parallel with healing from trauma, there is an increasing understanding among us of the disproportionate role of abusive individuals, such as narcissists, psychopaths, the people who end up facilitating them, and the traditions institutions which they use to further their abuses, in traumatising us. The Stalin regime is reckoned to have caused the non war deaths of over 40 million individuals, The Mao regime, somewhere in the region of 75 million. the minimum estimate for non war deaths by states in the 20th century is somewhere around 220 million, how many hudreds of millions more were starved, brutalized, tortured or bereaved by those abusers?

The religion part is interesting. All too often the god is made in the image of a human, and often that is not a very nice human: eg the many deities which were rolled together to form the god of the old testament - a god made in the image of a man, a man who was despotic middle eastern dictator.

The god image which Christians and Hindus have is somewhat nicer, and would probably be welcome posting here - it has "parts", three for the Christan one, and I don't think anyone has ever counted how many dissociative identities the Hindu one might have.

Some of those images of gods have significant OCD jealousy and attachment issues, eg being offended at the idea of children with intact genitals, or people participating in various victimless activities, or requiring the painful murder of anyone who might have ideas different to their followers.

The godless religion and its followers are arguably the most dangerous of all - believers in the divine right of states to dominate and coerce and abuse all who fall within lines drawn on maps.

 

[Eleanor]

What you describe is, in my terms, almost certainly a world of virtue. I think it would be really interesting. People would do art and music. Ride horses. Play strategy games. Dance. Make their environments and necessities beautiful. People would eat much better. They'd travel. Read books. Write books. Play generally. Do sports. I think it would be great. Sign me up.

I suspect we'd figure out how to live sustainably in pretty short order.

Virtue and health have really bad PR now.

 

[darrenS]

im a bit of a hardened cynic , and tend to believe that if all the problems described were eradicated , then we would probably find issues with happiness and have a whole range of other problems. if the sun shone all the time it would create a desert , and if you was safe and happy all the time , you would lose sight of what happiness and safety really are

 

[Anarchy]

im a bit of a hardened cynic , and tend to believe that if all the problems described were eradicated , then we would probably find issues with happiness and have a whole range of other problems. if the sun shone all the time it would create a desert , and if you was safe and happy all the time , you would lose sight of what happiness and safety really are

a mazlov hierarchy of needs-

we no longer have to worry each day about being chased by tigers or starving or freezing to death - so we worry about other things instead.

I'd love to be past being bothered by trauma :p