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Can Someone Help Me Understand Why I Feel Like I Do About A Mh Diagnosis?

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MT Johnny

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Because honestly, I've asked psychiatrists, psychologists, and explained this to a lot of people online and a few in real life ... and I get no closer to even understanding it myself. And this thing, in and of itself, is destroying me.

In 2012, I went to a psychiatrist because I was depressed, had anxiety attacks, and was very upset after a frightening workplace incident (death threats). And I had a really bad childhood, my father was violently abusive, extremely controlling, and completely isolated us from the outside world - I have described it to many people like growing up in a North Korean gulag. My father threated me with guns, the death threat in 2012 involved guns. I snapped.

So, I found a psychiatrist through a hosptial referal website, and selected that individual based on proximity, availability, and did NOT do my due diligence. Because I honestly expected it to be "no big deal" - I went in expecting a couple of prescriptions to calm my nerves, probably a referall to a therapist which I probably wasn't gonna do at that time, and "see me in 2 weeks" or whatever.

That isn't what transpired. I told the truth, that I had very frequent, pretty graphic suicidal thoughts and imagery. I also said, very truthfully, that I had no intention of acting on it, either on the spot or in the imminent future, and finally, made the statement that I was there because I "couldn't live like this any more." By that, I meant exactly this - I just wanted some help to get over that hump so I could find the motivation and drive to fix all of the structural problems in my life, relationships, career issues, health, etc.

Well, what I thought I was going to get was compassionate, supportive care. That is not at all what I got - I got the "iron fist" and it destroyed my world in an instant. I was told to go immediately to an ER and admit myself to a psych ward because I had these suicidal thoughts. I guess I was naive, and probably should have known better, but I was just being truthful and I saw no "imminent danger to self" situation whatsoever - I was there stating "I want to improve my life" not "I want to end it."

As far as I am concerned, it was a "cover my ass" decision on the physician's part - and I did plead for about an hour NOT to do that to me - I said I would ONLY do outpatient treatment, and that it had to be extremely hush-hush. NOT TO BE - I was told that if I wouldn't voluntarily admit myself inpatient, that a "compromise" would be acceptable - I could do a PHP as soon as I could get into it. And the physician gave me a 36 hour ultimatum to decided that I would do it - backed up, at least in my mind, with the implicit threat that, if I said "no" I would get a knock on the door at home at 3 am or at my office in a big professional building in a busy town from the police who would stuff me in the back of a squad car and carry me off against my will - a public specatcle that would be impossible to deny or cover up or ever recover from.

So I spent the most abjectly miserable night of my entire life pondering what to do - from suicide to flight across a border to fighting it in the legal system to giving in and doing it as discretely as possible. And that was what I did - I caved, I abjectly surrendered, and I agreed to do it.

And, not only was that bad enough - but it took almost a MONTH to even get into the stupid thing. According to this doctor, I was such an imminent danger to myself that I had to go straight to the psych ward via the ER - but it was perfectly OK with this doctor that I wander the streets for a MONTH unsupervised until I could start this god-foresaken day hospital program for 10 days. And during that time, I saw this doctor ONCE about two weeks after the initial time, and then again three days before starting the day hospital program.

Also, please be cognizant of this fact - my presenting symptoms were massive panic attacks - that is what had me down for the count, not depression or suicidal thoughts - those were NOT new things in my life, I had had all of that for years, but put on the stiff upper lip and carried on anyway. But the panic attacks were new, and horrible. When I went in that office, I was expecting a couple of prescriptions, anti-anxiety and depression meds. I was given NOTHING until the second appointment almost a month later -- when I was put on ONE thing, a starter dose, 25 mgs, of Lamictal. THIS FACT ALONE INFURIATES ME for several reasons - I needed meds that would have helped, but I didn't get those. And, I'm sure many of you know, Lamictal takes a couple of months to get up to a full therapeutic dose and effect (btw, it had NO effect on my state of mind, nada, but did cause some pretty serious physical side effects including low red cell count and a tremor). LATER, after the fact, I ordered my entire medical record from the hospital, and found one outright lie in it on the part of the doctor/hospital - it stated one of the rationales for my admission into a PHP was because I "failed to respond to outpatient pharmacology" - just remember, I started taking Lamictal at 25 mgs FOUR DAYS before I was admitted. And little wonder I wasn't doing cartwheels of joy by Day Four, huh??? Very bitter about this lie to this day.

Here is the crux of the matter - I feel MASSIVELY ASHAMED of having any kind of MH diagnosis. I feel like I HAVE TO keep it a "state secret" because my personal and professional reputation will be ruined 1) my diagnosis and 2) my admission to a PHP became widely known. I feel like I was railroaded. I feel weak for caving and not fighting.

SO MANY people, professionals, people on other forums, a very few people in real life who know some of the story, have told me ad nauseum things like:

1) It's nothing to be ashamed of - we all have baggage/problems/issues

2) Your medical records are completely safe and confidential

3) It's a medical condition, not a moral problem or a character flaw

4) It was outpatient and voluntary

5) No legal ramifications to your rights.

You know, all of the standard comments.

The problem is .... Intellectually, my rational/logical mind KNOWS all of the above to be true....

HOWEVER, emotionally, I cannot escape the opposite - my truths are that:

1) I am deeply, hopelessly ashamed. I told several doctors, therapists, and the one or two very close friends who know what happened that I feel that "what I did" - have a slow-mo nervous breakdown to the point of getting sent to a psychiatric program - makes me feel just as horrible about myself as if I had killed someone or robbed someone at gunpoint.

2) HIPPA, medical privacy .... bunk. Nothing is ever truly secure - there are data breaches, improper handling of files (like when you hear on the news about medical records being found in dumpsters, etc), snooping spying people. And of course, there is also the legitimate (albeit one in a billion chance) that someone's medical records could be obtained legally through subpoena in an adversarial proceeding of some type. So I am VERY paranoid that there is "dirt out there on me just waiting to be dug up."

3) It feels absolutely like a moral failing and character flaw - from the fact that I was so weak I had panic attacks, suicidial thoughts, etc, in the first place, to the fact I caved and gave in and did the PHP because I was afraid not to, to the BIGGEST one, which is that I came from this societal/cultural WASP upper middle class tradition of "you stay squeaky clean, show your love for God, Flag, and Family, be a responsible and productive member of society and if you have dirty laundry you NEVER EVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES AIR IT IN PUBLIC" - instead, you bury the skeletons deep deep deep as you possibly can, and IMAGE is more important than reality, IMAGE is everything. And if you transgress and break those rules, you are OUTTA HERE.

4) It was technically outpatient - yeah, no locked doors, 9-3:30 M-F, but it sure felt like being locked up to me - one thing was I couldn't just leave AMA or it would have been outrageously expensive out of pocket, I guess. AND also, there was NOTHING voluntary about it - I did it ONLY because I felt completely trapped, I hated and feared every minute of it, and it was horrible, sad, tragic, and the entire thing left me feeling very brutalized and extremely destroyed.

5) Sure, not on paper. Except for some theoretical gun rights at this time I have no personal interest in (in my state, I couldn't get a CCW, for example). But still, it makes me feel "less equal" now. And, worse, I worry A LOT about what COULD happen to me - for example, if I ever admitted suicidal thoughts in the real world again (not stupid enough to EVER do that), would they literally lock me up this time.

I CANNOT integrate the rational truths, which is that my fears are based in paranoia/hypervigilance and NOT valid, with the emotions I feel about this - which are just that, extreme paranoia, fear, anxiety, that I'm some kind of hunted fugitive just waiting to be found out and hauled in to be locked up.

The old Freud joke "A cigar is never just a cigar" comes to mind - I FEEL that this is NOT really about the MH history and situation, but that it MUST be about something deeper, from my childhood, upbringing, relationship with my father ... but what? My conscious mind hates him, resents him, feels horribly betrayed and hurt, but on some level, could it be fear of disapproval from a man who HATED me and never approved of anything I did .. and this is like some confirmation that he was "right about me" that I am a loser and can never get his love and approval (mind you, he's been dead almost 20 years).

Maybe someone here has some thoughts on this that might help? Because I'm at my whits end, and whenever it seems to get a little better, it just ends up coming full circle again after something triggers me.
 
After a couple of years of no treatment, bad therapy and ineffective drugs, my Psych said to me, as though the idea had just occurred to him "We must be careful, we don't want to re-traumatize you by our treatment"

It's everywhere, and I'm so sorry it happened to you.

Have you found better treatment? Effective support?
 
Actually, you repeat your introduction here, but now in more detail. I understand how deep this goes for you and understand better with the more complete story. I agree with you that there is an underlying old dynamic that is triggered in you, that gives you all these feelings. However, we do not know all your childhood details, which we don't need to. Your therapist should know those by now, and I would suggest to dig into this with your therapist. I do not know if you have already done so? It seems quite complex and really material for your therapist. Do you have one you trust with this?
 
(If it's too long, just read the bolded stuff, it's a response to your request on thoughts)

I have shame too. It didn't hit me at first. At first it was "OMG I'll take ANY HELP" even if it meant diagnosis. Then about two months later I felt the shame. I was a kid at the time and living under my parents roof. They weren't the supportive type.

I have a feeling that might be the case for your employers.

Moral failings and character flaws used to bother me. It wasn't until later that I changed my way of thinking towards the absurd. Absurdism, to be precise. It's like "Okay, this sucks terribly, but it's not me. It's just part of the human experience" mashed in with "it doesn't matter in the end, as long as it's not by my own hands".

Your reaction sounds pretty healthy towards hospitalization. It's not meant to be a 5 star retreat. It's crap, and a lot of the time those working there are crap at their jobs. I had the reaction of thinking it was a 5 star retreat. I became institutionalized for a few years of my life. Now that's a scary place to be, in the mind.

Don't air it in public if you don't want to. Don't tell anyone you don't feel comfortable talking to about it. It really is a trust issue. And it's not wrong to feel that way about people. It's was unnerving at first for myself, because it feels like a test.

The MH system isn't perfect. I agree, I think the move to hospitalize you was to cover the doctors ass. It was a first meeting, so I understand why that happened.

Here's where I tell you a story of something that happened two days ago. I'm just recently looking into getting help for all of this. Symptoms are more frequently coming to the forefront. So, here goes the story:

A long long time ago, I got shunned by my family. I have a borderline mother and a narcissistic father. It was for religious reasons. I lost everything at the age of 20. Shunning meant I lost my whole world. I had to build.

At 28, through facebook, I got in contact with one of my cousins who wasn't part of the religion I was raised in. My uncle had gone through the shunning in the 70's. The family knew the crazy that came with the religion.

So two days ago I go to see family. I thought it was my uncle and cousin and his wife and their kids, but no. It was not only my uncle and the rest, but my aunt, my two cousins and extended family. It was a lot to take. On the ride home, I talked to my cousin and his wife about my symptoms (my cousin got combat ptsd, so he knows what it's like).

Once I got home, I started to feel like shit. I came on the chat on this forum and talked with someone about the situation, the panic, the anxiety, the feeling like crap. I didn't think it was normal. I didn't know if it was the PTSD. I got told that yes, it sounded like it was. I talked about how I wanted to message my cousin. I felt that they were going to judge me based on what I told them, and they'd think I was faking all of this and they would stop talking to me. I ended up messaging them.

Here's what I messaged: "It's hard to open up. It's so damn hard. I'm trying but it's one step forward two steps sideways. It was great visiting but coming home was me regretting talking in the car."

The next day with the social worker I broke down crying (I don't cry) telling him the story. Then, and this is the important part, is my saying what I felt was happening: "It's me fearing my cousin and his family is going to react like the family that shunned me. My past was affecting my present, and making me fear the future. I recognize that. It doesn't matter how much I try to logic my way out of it, the emotions won't let me. I have to stop trying to think myself well. It's just making me sicker."

I got a reply from my cousin. Here is what he said: "No regrets, No judgement. You can talk to us about what you feel able and willing to talk to us about. No pressure from our side. You need to get comfortable with yourself - don't worry about us or apologizing. Take care and talk to you soon." I cried when he texted that. I still sniffle thinking about it.

Two days later, yes, I still feel like crap. What do I do? I cope. I'm doing what needs to be done today, I'm watching videos online, I'm banking, I'm taking these panic attacks as they come. But I'm. Doing. Something. It might not be much but for right now, it's all I can do and I'm okay with that.

I hope you find some peace, Johnny, I really do.
 
I've had a couple conversations with my therapist where he warned be to be careful what I said to "other members of his profession", because of the kind of thing that happened to you. Our very first conversation included a frank discussion about "locking people up" and electroshock therapy. Once I thought I knew where he stood, we still didn't talk about things like suicide for months.

It feels absolutely like a moral failing and character flaw
From what you've said, it seems like you were taught to think this way as a child and you really believe it. You're entitled to stick with those opinions, if you want to. By doing so, you label pretty much everyone on this site as weak, morally impaired, etc. Is that really what you think? If you read some of the stories here, this place is populated with some pretty remarkable people. If you really think a mental health diagnosis is a sign of weakness, go read some of the diaries. There are people here who only manage to get up and face the day because of their incredible courage and determination. This sort of thing is not for sissies. If, for some reason, you think it's only a moral failing for YOU, there's some useful information around here on things like CBT that you might find helpful.

There's a lot of stigma around mental health issues. Unfortunate, I think, but it's true. I've chosen to deal with it, most of the time with things like "You think PTSD is malingering? Well I have it, do you think I'M a malingerer???" Not everyone's cup of tea and I'm self employed, so I have less to worry about than a lot of people.

It DOES take awhile to get used to the idea that you're not as statistically "normal" as you thought. Coming to terms with that is a process.
could it be fear of disapproval from a man who HATED me and never approved of anything I did .. and this is like some confirmation that he was "right about me" that I am a loser and can never get his love and approval (mind you, he's been dead almost 20 years).
Yes, it most definitely could be about that, and other similar things. Are you seeing a therapist? Because there's probably a bunch of this that you'd benefit from working through.

Welcome to the forum?
 
That psychiatrist seems to be implying that you're bipolar. Without a proper assessment I truly don't understand why psychiatrist jump to conclusions so fast,without listening and questioning and observing the client. I have had terrible experiences with them myself. Medicine is an art combined with science and technique. Most psychiatric don't understand that. They tend to be the ones at the bottom of their class and the only residency that will accept them is psychiatry. So many of them are bottom of the barrel physicians. The psychiatry boards are actually quite difficult so I really don't understand how so many could be so incompetent, but they are.
 
Hello Johnny -

It sounds to me by the end of your post that you are beginning to work this out for yourself. You are asking the important questions like where is this fear and anxiety coming from - you are inviting your demons to tea, as it were, to get to know them better. Once you can name them and recognize them, you can start to work with them -

From my side, once I start feeling something intense like you are doing (which is perfectly natural) I hold the emotion and comfort it - knowing it is part of my healing. And then I start looking behind the emotion for the mental state that triggers it. And I invite that mental state to tea. I ask it questions and learn why it is bothering me in the first place.

Then I can start to work with it - either on my own or with a therapist - but it sounds for the moment for you like going to a therapist is part of the trigger - I can investigate what mental factors cause the anxiety - such as believing that the fear has power over me to begin with.

You are right, it is easy to understand things logically, but I use my feelings to explore my logical thought and get toward the healing that way, if that makes any sense.

And I believe the answers you are seeking will come, with patience, and compassion for yourself as you work through what is going on and why you are having trouble.

Hoping you find peace -

Namaste - Laurie
 
Every time I read a story like yours I just get so sad and frustrated inside, because I live every day with how hard this stuff is, and I seem to be in the minority of people who have had more good luck than bad with finding my doctors. Really - the entire mental health system is not corrupt or incompetent. There are good ones out there. I was lucky that my first prescriber was bad but not horrible, and it helped me see right away why I wanted a different doctor ASAP.

I think the first thing you need to wrap your head around is that you had a really shitty experience - the end. Had is the important word. I am not trying to minimize your pain about it, only right-size it. You need to find a way to compartmentalize that experience so that you can engage in finding the kind of therapeutic support you want in the now.

I want to be clear - I am not saying "be OK with it". I'm saying "it already happened, it's not still happening, and you have bigger fish to fry"

The catch-22 is that coming to terms with having a mental health situation actually requires getting mental health treatment, most of the time. You are self-aware enough to know that you need to challenge your assumptions about the stigma of mental health, but you don't have the tools to actually untie those knots. In my opinion, it is going to need to matter more to you that you get started treating your PTSD and anxiety than that you accept having a diagnosis in the first place. It can take a long, long time to do that. But trauma therapy is actually a more focused and doable thing. It will open doors to the past, and that's going to get complicated, but you already have an awareness of that.

Something that I feel the need to point out, regarding the suicidality, is that 'cover your ass' doesn't really apply. The possibility that you could walk out of that physician's office and be dead about an hour later is something they need to take very seriously, because it only takes one wrong judgement call to let someone kill themselves. I don't think you were talking to a doc who was the ultimate in crisis intervention - but the odds are better than not that the doc you had was genuinely concerned. If they were covering their ass you would not have made it out of the office. And even then, I don't know that anyone can say for certain they were in the wrong.

My perspective: I've lived a life of suicidality, and always believed I was on top of it. I was totally on top of it, for about 30 years. And then, completely outside of my control, I just wasn't. I was in the middle of my attempt before I understood what I was doing. So I know at least one person - myself - who lost their tight grip on thinking the thoughts but not following the thoughts. For all I know, I could have seen a doctor that afternoon, had them read my suicidal language differently than my intent, and been admitted. I would have been beyond angry and upset by that. It also would have kept me from ending up one click away from dead. And I don't even know how I feel about that most of the time. But I feel compelled to offer a different perspective, not necessarily to you, just to anyone in the future who might be reading this. There is so much fear around telling a medical professional that you are feeling suicidal. And I get it. But for many people, just getting those words out of their mouth - "I'm thinking about killing myself" - might be the thing that keeps them from doing something their broken brain is telling them to do, not their right-minded self.

Back to you, tho: honestly, what comes to mind is an out-of-state trauma specific treatment facility, where you can go for four weeks and get some serious therapy boot-camp. You tell the world you're going on vacation to clear your head. Whatever. There are a number of places that might really work well for you. Can you consider that enough to research it?
 
I don't talk about my stuff with colleagues, even the ones I like. We are allowed privacy. But I'm not ashamed. I just keep details out. Some of them know I'm struggling with some stuff. I like that I don't have to present the image of perfection everywhere and feel so split. So if it helps to inform close friends and colleagues, that's probably good. The rest of them...none of their business. It's been weird integrating that professionalism with humanism and also knowing that there is a lot of gray area between what is a shameful secret and what is public knowledge. Letting a few people in helps integrate the realities, but a well-chosen few...

I used to feel very ashamed of therapy and my mental health stuff. Now researching for the right therapist and going back into therapy feels very compassionate and "grown up" to me. It sounds like you were trying to do that and had a sort of shitty response. Don't give up. Find the right therapist for you and stick with it. For me, a lot of the shame (not all) has dissipated through trauma work because I've let go of the deep, seemingly inescapable feeling that I am fundamentally f*cked up and broken beyond repair.

For one, I see myself as capable of being a "whole" person...not fundamentally f*cked up, but more like injured and it was not my fault. Also, the sense of possibility when finding decent therapy helps a lot because I believe some of this can be healed. I'm not permanently broken. If you're stuck trying to find the right help, it's easy to get stuck feeling helpless and glued to deep ideas of being damanged or beyond repair.

You've done some good work trying to help yourself...that's really important. Don't give up. Sorry for the bad experiences. I don't know if it helps that my therapist is private practice, but there seems to be less protocol and cover-your-ass stuff. She just helps me through my own process. It takes me a long time to warm up to anyone so I'm glad I haven't quit therapy yet, though glad I ditched the last therapist when I felt I was just shutting down. Sometimes it takes time just to find the right help. So again, don't give up...it sounds like you are trying to go in the right direction.
 
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