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Middle Ground Of Scapegoat Or Golden Child?

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I have shit going on in my diary and I am trying to figure something out. It is relevant to me right now and it is definitely a 'blue/not blue' kind of issue that I can't seem to find the colour green in for some reason.

I have been both a scapegoat and a golden child with my mother. I didn't recognize it at the time. I think as I type in my diary I am recognizing that I don't know how to be whatever is in between. If one lives in a functional family (this may be a stretch to think about for some of us), what are we if we are not seen in the role of 'all bad' (scapegoat), or 'all good' (golden child).

I can't think of words or ideas that lie in between somehow. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
person
human being
child
individual
soul
me
I
both and
change
perfect imperfection
Self

Not you
Not your image of me
Not carved in stone
Not your judgment of me
Not what you demand I be
Not what you are afraid I will become
Not what you refuse to let me be
Not what you wish I were
Not yours

Mine.
 
Human being came to mind....think of how you see your kids, that's what I do.

They are individuals with their own qualities, strengths and weaknesses. They are neither one thing or the other, but a mix.

We are exactly the same but we have to look deeper to see it in ourselves.
 
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If one lives in a functional family (this may be a stretch to think about for some of us), what are we if we are not seen in the role of 'all bad' (scapegoat), or 'all good' (golden child).
If we live in a functional family, we aren't assigned a role. We just are. Takes some getting used to that idea, I know. :)

It's dysfunction that tells us what our role is, and has consequences for daring to step outside it. John Bradshaw has spent his career writing and teaching about this. If you're looking for a name for the role you were assigned, try some of these:
http://thediagram.com/6_6/profile.html

But that doesn't answer what you are becoming. That is something you will create for yourself, a shade of green or whatever colour you want that is all your own.
 
In a functional family the child does not have to play a role, so that is difficult to define. Unconditionally loved child is what comes to my mind. It sounds a bit borderline like mother? They alternate between idealisation and followed by destruction. My story. Mostly I was destructed, but there was a bit of idealisation sometimes. To them it is either all bad or all good.
 
Maybe you're looking at "roles" too rigidly?

My T asks what my "job" was/is in my family. And there apparently are several jobs.

Both my mother and brother tend/tended to be quite dramatic. I'm not. (Might be partly genetic and partly training?) I'm a pragmatist. One of my "jobs" is to stay calm and offer pragmatic solutions. Which are promptly shot out of the water and infuriate mom and brother because one of my other "jobs" is to be "wrong". Which is a bit like being a scapegoat, but not exactly the same. Pragmatism infuriates them because I'm not "reacting appropriately" yet it would be quite a mess if I panicked too. But at least they have a target for all their negative emotions. (Me. LOL)

So, once in awhile, maybe I can be "useful" and then, although I'm never the "golden child", I'm also not the scapegoat. (Can't be "golden" if you're "wrong" LOL)

What I'm saying is, maybe we all have many roles/jobs. depending on the situation?

Hey, is it true that in SOME families you just get to be who you are and it's not a problem and maybe even is ok? (Some of you who got PTSD as adults or who are supporters might actually know this!)
 
This kind of black/white, only this/or only that thinking...one of the most reliably common, as well as problematic, features in those with highly stressful/traumatic early life experiences, especially when that stress/trauma happens to have originated in the dynamics of the family of origin, I've found.

In other words...guilty as charged...me too...and in spades. And for the vast, vast majority of my life...I would argue to a standstill, anyone attempting to convince me otherwise...that such was not the only "right" way to see the world.
If something's not right, then it is necessarily wrong, obviously, I would have maintained at the time.

And if I'm not perfect, then I am a failure...as, clearly...it is everyone's responsibility to be perfect at all times, if they have any self-respect, etc. And I was 1000% sincere.

Of course, that's the sort of family I came from, as well. And interestingly...most families from more traditional cultures continue to maintain a very rigid and distinct line in the sand between acceptable, and unacceptable failure, with little room for acceptable shades of grey in between.

Which suggests to me, that this is a function of having adapted to a dangerous environment...wherein emphasis need be placed on always being perfect, on pain of literal death...starvation, serving as dinner to a predatory animal, etc.

I'm sure I seem to be rambling pretty far afield, here...but point being...

That this seems a reflexive posture adapted by a mind conditioned to threat. For example, it's worthy of note that our current "enlightened" perspective rich with relative values...only arose in tandem with the U.S. experiencing such material abundance, and dominance throughout world influence...that such a sense of the universe as threatening, fairly taken for granted as a given, previously...seemed suddenly unnecessary, and even silly, to maintain, with such stringency.

Again, point being...we feel comfortable, finally...to remove the armor of such attitudes and perspectives...when we no longer feel that they are necessary. And this went a great ways towards enabling me to forgive both my father and mother.

After all, they were products of a depression era period, in which this approach to raising children was not only normal, but considered part of a parent's civic duty, towards producing a future citizen worthy to walk the streets with the rest of the populace. If you didn't instill during childhood, a sense of walking on eggshells, with a "my way or the highway" approach to raising children...and teach them that feeling sorry for yourself won't get you anywhere, but with a boot up your behind, for being such a wimp..well...not only would your child grow into an adult without the proper manners, and consideration, and so, be labelled a low-life, and shunned...but if given to bouts of self-pity...would likely just not make it at all, in a world where hard work and little pay off, was all that one could expect.

Now, don't get me wrong. I do realize that even in the midst of such a standard as this harsh, all or nothing/either success or shameful failure...there remained, nonetheless...families and homes which instead did NOT heap hot coals of shame on the heads of their children, at failing to live up to the Golden child standard, at every turn. Of course there were.

But the all/nothing reject imperfection as inadequacy perspective...hardline, shame-oriented approach did easily hold sway. And my parents knew nothing else, themselves. I have no difficulty believe now, that not only did my parents honestly believe they were doing their absolute, determined best, in the name of "making me grateful, someday, for such character building experiences".

However...that said...they were both phenomenally screwed up people, just as individuals, themselves. My father's mother was was a manic depressive alcoholic, who doted on his twin brother, and excoriated an humiliated him, at every opportunity...his absentee father, who supposedly travelled so continuously as part of his employment...that my father remembers seeing him twice, and apparently they never knew at the time where the next meal would originate, or if, in fact it would at all.

My mother was molested/raped by a brother 10 years older than she, throughout her entire childhood, and grew up with nothing, in the middle of nowhere, with a father who didn't seem to even acknowledge her existence.

I say this not to let them off the hook. And this is important. ...the distinction...it was for me, anyway...Throughout my earlier life, I did make a show, even to myself, of very philosophically and generously taking all of the above factors into consideration...and convincing myself that I felt no animosity towards them...whatsoever. After all, that's what an enlightened, healthy, and mature person does, isn't it?

Until it all began coming out, unbidden...stuffed down so far, for so long...that I had no idea what it even was, at the time, and for some time after. I assumed I simply going completely insane, and hadn't the slightest incling that there was a connection.

What I realized, some time later...was that...sure...the fact of the matter was that, statistically, and according to what a court might determine to be the salient evidence...they were no more to blame than many...and had much better excuses than most, even...

...and sure...the mature and even handed thing for me to do would have been to forget it, and not hold anything against them whatsoever.

But we find out later that all of that is stored...only out of sight, out of mind, until it piles up so high that the closet door we'd though we'd successfully hidden it behind...flies open...and then it's EVERYWHERE...or it escapes in little fits and starts...like a steam kettle...and is aimed at people in our lives that do not deserve it in the least...resulting in lost jobs, lost relationsihps, etc. The collateral damage of repression.

Fortunately, I had long been a casual student of mental health, and remembered something
I'd happened to read years ago...that depression is anger turned inward. And one can only turn so much anger inward, I'm convinced. And I think the possibility that one might continue on, in that walking dead state...until one's death...is infinitely more tragic, yet...and so not at qualifying as "a success", in anyway.

And fortunately, as well.I had begun to read sine trauma related materials by this point, as well...and so...when the opportunity was upon me, the closet door burst open, so to speak...I decided I'd might as well get it out of my system then, while I was already in the middle of a breakdown/breakthrough beyond my own control.

So, boy, did I let them have it. Both barrels. And continuously. I lived fairly nearby, and my at this point completely bewildered parents were absolutely convinced that I was simply clinically insane...as none of this had been mentioned, or even intimated before...I'd never suggested that I had the least resentment toward either parent, or displayed any signs or attitude that suggested I might. Why would I? I wasn't aware of it, myself.

And of course, there's no heroes anthem playing at the end...with credits rolling, and the plot tied up neatly into a happy ending...now I do feel guilty over the episode/period what have you...in that it truly did hurt them...and after all...this was some 35 years ago. How would I feel, if someone held me responsible for many of the idiotic things I did 35 years ag, for goodness sake.

But I've come to see it from an entirely clinical, physical symptoms-oriented point of view...as in...sure, if a patient has a supperating and infected boil...it's gotta go...gotta be drained. And if doing so is messy, and results in those in the immediate vicinity being splashed...well...it was necessary to save the patient. Ironically, even at the time I was giving rein to all of this ugliness...I was at the same time perfectly lucid, in my conscious recognition of the fact that I continued to love and be grateful to my parents, for many things...not everything, but many things...even as it was spewing forth. I had realized that I had to see it just that impartially...just as though it was a physical malady...it didn't matter whether it SHOULD be there...or whether it SHOULD be coming...the simple fact was, that it WAS there...and HAD to come out.

Sorry for rambling at such length. Great thread topic. Hope you'll get to the point where you realize that, whatever it would mean to you and your family relations, for you to just really get it out there, and air your grievnances...even if it meant never seeing them again...sometimes there just aren't easy answers. The heart surgeon has to decide whether to operate, when the chances of survival are slim, too.

I'm not suggesting that you immediately show up at the doorstep, with a bullhorn, and rotten eggs, or anything...no doubt your situation is different, as applies to us all. Guess I'm just sending back a note, from the other side, saying...hey, it is possible, anyway...and possible for it to get much better, as a result. Be well
 
I'm confused.....healthy roles are important within a family, to my mind..they keep the family strong surely? For instance, one member may be good with finances, so members turn to them for advice. Another may have a calmer understanding or attitude to life...so is turned to in times of emotional difficulties. In these sort of instances our roles in the family are very important....and part of a normal functioning family.
 
If we live in a functional family, we aren't assigned a role. We just are. Takes some getting used to that idea, I know. :)

anyone around here from a functional family who can confirm this?

LOL... Actually... Role or No Role... That's still a bit of blue/not blue thinking.

@illusionist is dead in the black. Healthy functional families have roles, too.

Some key differences
- No one is "playing" a role
- Roles are rarely rigidly defined... (Although some can be! And still be healthy!) Instead, most roles tend to be fluid and change with both changing needs & times of both the individual and the family.
- Each person tends to hold several roles at a time
- Roles aren't expected to be perfect. And neither are the people filling them. Meaning, that there is still conflict, and challenge, and difficulty... Even in healthy roles. It takes people time to adjust to new roles, and to let go of old roles. People take on roles they aren't suited for, and either have to figure out a way to work around that, or shift them to someone else, or grow into them.
- There is no single way that one takes on a role. Some are assigned. Some are chosen. Some are fought for. Some are shared. Some are offered. Some are guarded jealously. Some are thrust upon you due to circumstance. Some are met by gradually increasing levels of responsibility.

All of these things (plus others) gets rolled up into what's known as "family politics". And everyone's family politics are different.

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A line from my old parenting forum days that ties in (and as oft repeated in parenting land, in 1,000 different ways, as being responsible for our own triggers is here):

"There are thousands of ways to parent "correctly", and only 3 ways to parent wrong; abuse, neglect, and absent. What's best for one child isn't even necessarily best for other children in the same family, much less other families. Not all things translate at all, much less the same way. What works best for that child, and for that family? Works best. Even though it may be worst, fair, middling, or clooooose but not quite what we're aiming for, maybe if we change this bit here around... For any other child or family. <grin> A multiplicity of bests."

Most parents... Want the best for their children. They also want to be the best parents they can be. How to go about doing that? Is often agonized over, fretted over, sends (mostly new) parents crying to sleep over how to make that happen. A big part of that are the roles given or allowed children, and when, as well as the roles that they themselves take on, as parents. While experienced parents tend to relax into their own chosen roles, and own family politics... It's still not an easy thing, Becuase the dynamics and needs of a family and individual are constantly changing.

IMO That's one of the key differences between healthy and unhealthy (whether we're talking roles, or nearly any other area). What's healthy changes and adapts to changing circumstance. But what is unhealthy remains static.
 
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