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5am Wakeup Call

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elektriknathan

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Hi,

Sometimes I wake up after a bad dream or just fear in general but it is always at 5am or 6-7am
It's weird
I could go to bed at like 1am but still the 5am wakeup alarm comes,
Fear intense dream related to the trauma and then hello im awake
anyone else get this weirdness?????????
any tips if you do on how to reduce it??????
thanks
 
It has been happening to me for decades. I sleep for 2-3 hours, have a nightmare that wakes me up, and I can't get back to sleep. Nothing I have tried has helped.
 
It has been happening to me for decades. I sleep for 2-3 hours, have a nightmare that wakes me up, and...
It is always at like 5am or 7am for me unless I tire myself out a lot
Perhaps it has to do with the sleep cycle
Apparently you are your most alert at sunrise or thereabouts
Perhaps my brain is in PTSD mode saying "To address what is ahead, I must wake thee up early"
Maybe...
It stopped for me when I had no stressors but when the trauma was intensified it resumed
Hmmmm
Have you tried going to bed very tired? Go out with some friends if you can (that's what I did) get back at home at like 2am or something and then see what happens
 
It is always at like 5am or 7am for me unless I tire myself out a lot
Perhaps it has to do with...
I do not ever feel tired. I don't feel fatigue, or hunger, or physical pain. I don't go out; I prefer to be alone. Friends are something I do not have from choice; I have no interest at all in being around other people. I run a farm and start chores at 3 am. What time I wake up has nothing to do with the time of day; if I go to sleep at 7 pm I'll be awake by 10 and so on. I just can't go more than three hours without a sleep killing nightmare.
 
It has been happening to me for decades. I sleep for 2-3 hours, have a nightmare that wakes me up, and...
not to flood you with replies but I think it all has to do with the primitive brain
this brain is only concerned with survival and does not care for social norms
so probably it views the traumatic nightmare as the same as the event itself and refuses to let you sleep "just in case"
maybe but i am not a qualified just saying what i think is happening hope it helps

for me, understanding how the brain works and how different areas light up with different mental health conditions etc has helped me immesnely maybe it will help you :) hope you are ok and you sleep better tonight
 
Hi,

Sometimes I wake up after a bad dream or just fear in general but it is always at 5am or 6...
I think PTSD brains work in a way that when we are in a certain sleep face the trauma is either digested or addressed, and in those phases the trauma can break through so intensively that we are not in a deep sleep but rather seem to glide between sleep and alertness. The trauma forces our brains into abnormal sleep cycles. I take many more naps too because of that.
The one thing that has helped me is to simply do things that either would like to get done or that are just fun and relaxing, like reading a book or doing a puzzle, that seems to soothe the mind enough to go back to sleep.
 
I think PTSD brains work in a way that when we are in a certain sleep face the trauma is either...
YouTube helps me get back to sleep or at least get a good chunk of sleep
Once I woke up at like 2am and went on YouTube then fell asleep put the phone away and went back to sleep
Just don't like getting woken up at 5am, 7am is ok but 5am makes me feel ehhh
 
I do not ever feel tired. I don't feel fatigue, or hunger, or physical pain. I don't go out; I prefer...
Hmmmm
Sounds like you are in full trauma
I do not like social gatherings but they help tire me out
Don't mind meeting new people in them too
But some days are worse
Some days my friends message me and I am so close to telling them to go away in foul language
Sometimes they tag me in things and I get so annoyed I hate it
Just a roll of the dice
Mental health disorders effect different people in different ways
But the symptoms are the same, if you get my drift
My fear involves public transportation and heights due to
stressful job = going to work on transport
heights = abusive parent pushing me to confront fear and bullying me to do so
hope this helps
you are not alone and if you are awake at an early time and i am too feel free to inbox me
 
I just can't go more than three hours without a sleep killing nightmare.
A "full" sleep cycle is typically 2-3 hours long. So, a good healthy night of sleep will consist of (generally) at least 2 sleep cycles, and as many as four - depending on the person, the length of their cycle, etc.

It takes longer to travel 'down' into the part of sleep where the most vivid/present dreams or nightmares will occur; coming back 'up' to the restart of the cycle is markedly faster. That's just how our sleep patterns are designed to work.

We are more likely to remember our dreams when they are vivid enough to short-cut the last stages of sleep; sometimes, causing us to miss them altogether.

(I'm really over-simplifying this, but don't have the brainpower to go pull up more detailed info right now).

This is all just to say - waking up every 2-3 hours is something that the human body will do naturally as a part of the sleep cycle. We are not meant to rise to full wakefulness, but pretty darn close. Most of the time, if we are sleeping well, we don't remember this. But if we are dealing with agitation in our dreams, the odds are good that we will wake up prematurely - not always immediately, but it's often perceived as being immediate. And even when the dreams aren't bad - if they are active, there's a good chance that your body will fully wake up at the end of the sleep cycle instead of staying just beneath wakefulness.

Shallow sleepers also have this problem. They generally don't make it into the deeper phases of REM sleep more than one cycle per night, if that. Dreams do seem to occur at another, mid-sleep cycle point, though they aren't as well understood. I believe people can wake up from those as well, though.

I have been dealing with waking up every 2.5-3 hours whether I want to or not, for awhile. Learning about the arc of the sleep cycle helped me to de-mystify some of it, which made it a little less stressful. Hoping that can help you as well.

Also, knowing that we dream whether we remember it or not - what really affects the remembering has to do with how we cycle back up out of the dreaming phase. That helped me not stress out so much about worrying if I would have dreams. Now, I just accept that dreaming will happen; what I don't know is whether it will be disturbing enough to wake me up.

Not sure why that's comforting to me, but it is.
 
A "full" sleep cycle is typically 2-3 hours long. So, a good healthy night of sleep will consist of...
THanks so much, handy to know
As long as I sleep for at least 6 hours, I am fine.
And as long as I don't stay up all night unless on purpose
Usually does not happen (touch wood)
Hope all others can enjoy some sleep
 
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