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Relationship A Reason To Stay?!

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Nicolette

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There is a lot of advice and opinions given when Carers come here and talk about how their situation is.....especially when the relationship has soured and become abusive.

Why do Carers stay? Now I am sure if we asked Dr Phil we would be told how we are co-dependent or have some other issue. While I believe in some of that I guess there is one other aspect which doesn't get discussed often......................

When before the PTSD hit the Carer and the now Sufferer had a fabulous relationship and those memories keep the Carer holding on with the hope that the Sufferer will get better and things will got back to normal.

Well, normal in itself is debatable but what is imperative is that PTSD is life changing and what was will never be. Sad isn't it?!

I don't condone abuse however I do say I can understand. It is easy sitting on the outside and giving advice. Could I walk out now if Anthony went on a downhill slide?.... I don't know. No if he was just ill; if he was abusive probably yes but he doesn't seem to have that in his character though I know he could beat the living sh*t of someone if he wanted to. He does control that aspect from what I have seen.

Sometimes I feel so dreadful coming here and suggesting Carers get out or move on but I do that based on the information written. Once you involve emotions it becomes so much more difficult.
 
Nicolette you clearly made the point that so many of us struggle with and for all the reasons we struggle in some of the difficult choices that need to be made. As this started for me most people if not all said I just needed to move on. The co-dependant effect was there and it was simply my own weakness that didn't allow me to move on. While I admit that I live in the area of the country where all my friends aren't and I'd pretty much be alone and starting from square one (I think thats concerning to anyone), that is my own issue to deal with. However, when I seperate that one piece out and I deal with that, it's not about being co-dependant or weak. I think a lot of people think if you can't let go and move on you are weak. What I realized over the last couple days is that I'm not weak, in fact I realized how strong of a human being I actually am. The weak thing would of been to just move on, or to continue in enabling patterns. I found the strength to not enable the patterns and at the same time not move on, and to do that takes a really strong person. Now, I'm new into this and the results so far are positive. I know that may change and I continue to evaluate and make sure I'm not falling in a pattern out of weakness or my own fears. I am 3 steps ahead in what needs to happen for her as a healthy individual, myself as an individual, and us as a couple. While I'm 3 steps ahead in thinking, I consistently remind myself that the current step can fall apart. As for a relationship I've come to realize that when she is truly ready for a true relationship, that is the time when I know longer have the concern that we won't get beyond the current step together, thats what a relationship is, thats what the love of your life is. We all have problems related and unrelated to PTSD. When you realize that you can face anything together and regardless of the outcome at the end you still have the same love and caring for each other. That as an individual each of you have needs, they may be different but each individual have needs, the relationship is defined by how each person works together to assure the others needs are met as are their own. Maybe this isn't achieved by the conventional methods or that marriage that has the white picket fence and the Wally and the Beaver. Just because it isn't conventional doesn't mean it can't be achieved or be perfect for each of you. Perhaps at the end of the day I'm just a hopeless romantic, but I believe the specialty of a carer is to be able to risk complete loss in an attempt to gain this relationship with the person they know they are destined to be with.

We as carers also have to be mindful that we don't just become the rescuer for our loved ones, we can be a conduit to get them help, but when we are doing the rescuing, it won't work in a long term relationship because they fall apart. That last piece of advice came from an 85y/o person who has the background to give that. I think most therapist would tell us the same. There are a lot of ways to skin a squirrel but at the end it's what you do with the meat to make a good meal that is satisfying to everyone at the table.
 
I think people have different reasons to stay.

Personally... I didn't know my sufferer before he had PTSD. It's always been an integral part of our relationship. He's never been abusive to me although he can get violent with certain people.

Why am I staying?
Good question. I don't really know why, apart from the fact that I don't feel it's time to give up yet.

I think many people don't even ask themselves why they stay or how it would be if they left. Some people may not consider PTSD as a real component of their relationship, just as something that added itself on top of it without really altering its chemistry.

I think it's hard to tell people to get out of a relationship and move on. But I think it's an option that needs to be considered. Even if just to realize that you shouldn't leave.

You are right in bringing this up Nicolette, even if just to trigger some awareness and get people to start thinking or consider a different perspective. Most people see the red flags in their relationships, and just choose to ignore them... Sometimes you need someone else to see them as well to consider them.
 
This is an interesting post Nicolette.

I have never in this 3 1/2 years thought about quitting. First of all, David was diagnosed before I came in the picture, it is only the last 4 months that I really have had an idea as to what ptsd is about. Before that his symptoms never interferred with our relationship.

Despite his downward slope right now, he has never directed his anger at me, he's still a gentleman, a man of good character, tons of integrity and has embraced my children (from my first marriage) as his own. He ALWAYS goes out of his way for my kids more than their real father.

I would hope that if he was verbally and/or physically abusive to me or my kids that I would be so out of here. But the truth is, he is not---he's hurting himself but not us directly.

Yes, I've been frustrated but he is a great man and a reason to stay!!

Carmela:thumbs-up
 
My wife is more perceptive than I am. She realizes truths about us long before I do. I’ll never forget how much it hurt the first time she said “we should have left each other long ago.” I fought that when she said it.

It took me a while to realize she was right.

There have been times in this marriage when I should have left, and I didn’t. There have been times she should have left and she didn’t.

That’s why I fully admit I have trouble finding the right words to respond to some of the posters here who aren’t married and who seem to be staying against their own needs. If I could sit down with myself at 21 and talk to him, I might well tell him to get out fast. And yet, here I sit, glad I didn’t. I want to tell people not to stay through what I’ve stayed through, because it’s co-dependent and unhealthy and it does real harm. I barely held on, I held on to my own detriment, and I held on because I was sick. But today I’m glad I stayed.

It’s hard to pin down exactly why. Things have settled down for us drastically. Our first few years together, we fought, and fought hard. I’d barely ever even heard a raised voice before meeting her. I’m sure that’s not strictly true, but that’s how my memory stored it.

She wasn’t physically violent toward me, but she would break things and speed off in her car at speeds that scared the hell out of me. She would threaten herself and sometimes me. She had a baby girl (she was pregnant when we met) who saw me as her father (not literally…she’s always known I’m not her biological father but I’ve been in her life since she was a newborn and he ran off long before that). I think, in those early days, I stayed because I was afraid for that baby – her mom was in and out of hospital inpatient programs, and there was no one in her family psychologically healthy and capable of raising a child.

Of course, I was just a college kid myself, but I guess I saw myself as her only hope. I felt trapped but I had to take care of the baby. And I was trying to save my wife. I don’t think I’ve ever fallen in love with a woman I wasn’t trying to save.

The thing is, as my wife got further and further from her childhood, from her incredibly destructive family, and more into an adulthood of her own choosing, she got healthier. And that exposed my own problems. A lot of them.

I had a lot of insecurities I blamed on her that, really, came into my life LONG before she did. I had a lot of childhood things to deal with myself. Things I had put off dealing with because I was so busy trying to save her. It was a form of denial.

So, as she got better, I got depressed. Four years out of college she was stable and healthy and had shed a whole book full of misdiagnoses, and I got clinically depressed. I spent more than a year unemployed, gaining weight, lying about looking for a job because I fully intended to make the lies true in the morning. I was a huge drag on her and on our daughter (my stepdaughter…however you want to say it). I was harmful to them because I was an untreated depressed ass. It took the birth of a second child to pull me out of it. I never sought treatment of any kind until long afterward.

So yes, in the early days, I should have left her. And then, when I was depressed, she should have left me. And both of us were too co-dependent to do that.

That’s part of what we’re left with. Today, we’re both relatively healthy, both in treatment, and in love with each other, in love with the people we are now. We’re raising two amazing kids together, and it’s worth being together. But there were years, many years, when it really wasn’t. And I’ll never get them back. Neither will she. That hurts for both of us.

Sometimes, I see carers on here posting about their boyfriend/girlfriend, or even ex-bf/ex-gf, and honestly, I want to tell them to RUN. It’s not worth it. I went through it and probably lost years, and her case is relatively mild compared to many I read about here. It takes a lot of therapy for the two of us to be able to be normal together, and there are still landmines in both of our memories of each other. I might have been so much happier if I’d left long ago.

But then, I’m glad I didn’t. She’s my home, we’re home to each other, we’re both abused children raising a pair of unabused children and trying to make something right in the world by doing that, and building this family feels like finally satisfying a need I’ve never been able to voice. We’re pretty good to each other, and we each have ways we still wound the other but we’re both in therapy working on them. So we’re getting better to each other. We’re a long way from the healthiest marriage around, but we work our asses off at being right for ourselves and each other now.

I stay with her because, in my heart, I feel like she’s what holds the earth together beneath my feet. At the same time, in my head, I know that isn’t true and I could leave if things got as bad as they once were. I know I need to be prepared to leave and just love what we had, but move on if it gets unsafe again. I think I’m strong enough for that now. It doesn’t make a lot of sense, and I think most everything could have been easier for me if I hadn’t been so codependent for so many years. But then I love her and it’s safe to be with her now. Most of what I have to work on today is about getting more peaceful and honest with myself, and most of what she has to work on is pretty similar. We’re better off together than apart now, but I think our marriage takes more work than most should because of what we’ve done to each other. I tell our story to therapists and always get a huge sigh and some form of “wow…most people wouldn’t have gotten through all of that together.” Now, we look forward to coming home to each other, getting the kids to bed and spending the night together….but we paid too high a price for it, and I’d never advise anyone else to stay through what I stayed through. Or, really, what she stayed through.
 
Butigotup you made an excellent post, and I know I hear you. It doesn't mean I'm listening to your advice but I hear you. There are a lot of reasons that I'm not following your advice, 1) I've been in a marriage and it was one I absolutely never should of been and the gift I've been given by my sufferer is to know what it is I want in a woman 2) I always wanted to go into my fathers profession, I would of been good at it, but him and all of his understudies said the same thing to me, go into medicine, you like it and there is money there, if you stay in this you will get burned out. I didn't go into his profession because I knew how passionate I would be toward it, I knew I'd probably have a heart attack by my 50s, be divorced by 40, and it's a profession where you are hired to be fired. So I didn't go into it and there aren't many days I don't long to be in it, and it's a profession that once you leave for so long it's hard to get back into. I'm already divorced and I'm already burned out in what I'm doing. I have some time to hit fifty so lets hope the MI doesn't come around. My point is, while I'm really good at what I currently do, I routinely wonder what if I had taken another path. I think we all have those points in our life and sometimes we take the path that leads to failure, but when we fail, we don't wonder what if; we then know. I'm not scared of failure, I am scared of never knowing. I'm not sure what that says about me, but I know all of the reasons I'm still here. I've heard all the reasons not to be here, but I heard all my Dads peers and understudies and I wish I hadn't. 3) There are other reasons I'm not going anywhere but I've typed enough. Yet one thing I take from your post is that the two of you are happy together now, unless you are in your 70s you still have plenty of life ahead, and you have years to love and cherish and you may find that those years in the future will make the past completely worth it.

Butigotup, I don't want you to think I took your post personally aimed at me, but I heard it and felt the need to articulate some of my own thoughts in words. It doesn't mean I think my thoughts or my decisions are right for all, I just know at this juncture they are right for me.
 
As a sufferer for 26 years, but in (many) capacities as also a carer for another, as well, and after many experiences and much soul-searching, I think that to be true to yourself, and what your heart of hearts tells you are the right decisions to make, is about all any of us can do to find our right and true place in the world, and to devolop into the person (we want) and need to be.

I think sometimes it takes a while to even realize who we really are; what our own need, goals and dreams encompass.
 
I think we all just want to just pick up and leave, but we then come back to our senses and push it back out of our minds. Its kicks in when things get bad, and when things get better and we are back to aahhhhhhh. Well i have been there and it runs through my mind every once in a while, not because i am mad or hate her, but thats what most people thats the reason is. I stay because i love my wife, I have tried to be a good husband, I have made many mistakes in our relationship. If it doesnt work out ,then so be it. I will be there for her and my daughter ,but most of all me.
Thanks for listening.
 
When C and I first became romantically involved, he invited me to go with him on a business trip that included an overnight stay. He used the entire trip to tell me about his situation, including his ptsd. That was my first experience with an earthquake sized nightmare he had. He also told me about his current efforts to get help. He explained all his meds (which when taken, was a mouthful!). When all was said and done, I had to admire and respect him. He listed the things that I could do that would help him and he listed the things that I should probably avoid doing. As a result, we continue to have a peaceful, loving, committed relationship. I was lucky. I hooked up with a man who finally took it upon himself to get help. His ptsd and depression is by no means cured. But our relationship is solid and enjoyable. I can't imagine myself with another man.:Hug_emoticon:
 
why do I stay?

Because he is the love of my life and everything is so disposable in life, everything can be ended without a thought.

I made a commitment, it may not have been in a church or in front of any higher power, but i made it and that was to love him forever and i do.

Now there are days that I hate life because of the awful things that have happened between us. The name calling the shouting the venom.

But he is still my man, he is still my everything and he needs me, even if he doesnt know it and wont admit it. If the shoe was on the other foot..I know he would be there. Will things ever be like they were? hmm i have thought about that so much in the past weeks. Remembering our happiest of times wishing it was like that again, truth is that it may never be like that again, we may never be so carefree as we were before. One thing i do know that when he escapes the blackness that he is surrounded by I will be there, and after that..well he will know that i was there for him, I believe that it will make us stronger.

Am I being nieve? Possibly
Am I hoping for something that may not happen? maybe

Do I love him enough to find out? Definately.
 
I did not know my sufferer pre PTSD, however, when we met he showed no signs of it, he had not been triggered and I would never have guessed he was a sufferer. When he was triggered and went on his downward slope was when he told me about his PTSD. I guess the thing that keeps me around even when all he does is push me away and make me feel like he does not care at all is the way he was and what we experienced before I found out and the fact that he trusted me enough to confide in me and divulge his entire PTSD story to me in the midst of battling the demons in his mind! Even while in his hardesrt struggles, every now and then he gives me a tiny glimpse of how it used to be and I can tell he is trying and wants it to be how it was before. This is what keeps me around and always full of hope!! And he is worth it! :)
 
Thank you Nicolette!

This is a meaningful post for me as my relationship has been quite a journey. When I met my sufferer he had not been diagnosed. It was an issue between us which prompted him into counseling and thus with the diagnosis.

My relationship has see-sawed on the edge of abuse at times, though never hands on-physical. There certainly has been fighting where I've been frightened, and the last fight we had where this happened was the last fight we will ever have. Another words, we've both agreed that must change. He's committed to changing it and so am I. Intimidation, interrogation, wreckless driving, yelling, etc- are not part of a healthy relationship.

I've stayed because he works hard with his therapy and now has also given up alcohol. I stay because I love him and I know that we have a good partnership. I stay because I feel he respects my boundaries and limits within the relationship.

The minute any of those things change, I wouldn't be able to stay in the relationship. It would be hard to leave, but I can't afford to lose myself...ever.

I find myself always taking the relationship one day at a time, which works for me.

Shoka
 
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