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A thread for scientific nerdiness

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:lmao: yeah, I was more at, social science concepts best not judged by other science criteria, but there could be so many objections to the whole line of thought.... just from the methodology implications of it for other life.

I think their free will is not even non existent... but worse, ill defined.
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there are consequences for your decisions and you're responsible, free will or not.
I've bolded two parts of your sentence that can't both be there.

If there is no free will, it isn't a decision anymore.
So having consequences for decisions, free will or not is completely nonsensical.
 
That's not true there are decisions and you make them because you can't know the outcome. That has no bearing on if or not there is free will. I am not arguing the point.

Did you read the post? It sounds as if you hadn't because I'm just repeating what was already said. Dr. Hossenfelder explained it so much more eloquently than I. She's a scientist, I'm not. I arrived at the same conclusion however as she Dr Bell, and Herr Einstein did, that the universe is deterministic. Probably. : )

"There is a way to escape the inference of superluminal speeds and spooky action at a distance. But it involves absolute determinism in the universe, the complete absence of free will."

Bell, BBC interview 1985

Bell’s Theorem – Is Everything Predetermined? – Scientific and Medical Network
 

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It's wildly unpopular however.
Simply not true.

Determinism is one branch in physics and philosophy and you're right, there is a lot of support for that. So much so that it's actually been used by some theists to fit an omnipotent and controlling deity into science.

But there's also chaos theory and quantum theory, which both allow for randomness, including randomly appearing and disappearing particles - which would throw any determinism out the window.

In fact, randomness is the very basis of evolutionary theory, from as little as random genetic mutations to as big as genetic drift in populations due to random events that randomly decimate gene pools.

It's been well over a decade that I've spent in-depth time with those topics, so I can't provide any articles off the top of my head.
 
Thread starter #172
Did you read the post? It sounds as if you hadn't because I'm just repeating what was already said. Dr. Hossenfelder explained it so much more eloquently than I.
Yes I did, I just didn't find her reasoning behind the suggestion that there is no free will, nor the way in which she presented/wrote it, to be particularly compelling :)
 
Thread starter #180
Science is when you produce a highly interesting result, and your first thought isn't Eureka! but rather Alright, now what could have gone wrong in spite of my controls?

Welcome to my current state :hilarious:
 
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