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@Lucycat, please describe St. Andrews Night.
What do most people do?
Most people don't actually do anything!
It is, obviously meant to celebrate St Andrew, the patron Saint of Scotland. He is said to have been crucified on a X, hence the X on the Scottish flag. ( in contrast to the upright cross that Jesus was on). However it has become something of a tourist tradition - with it mostly being celebrated in hotels and bars. In those places there is a meal including Haggis - of course. Then there is a ceilidh - with traditional Scottish music and dancing.

Those families that do choose to celebrate are likely to simply have a traditional Haggis meal and follow it with some whisky of course.

Rory has a cousin who is an accordion player in a Ceilidh band. The band has gone to Sweden to celebrate St Andrew's night this year, playing in a Scottish Bar in Malmo.

Although it is not widely celebrated, I think most of Scotland will at least recognise St Andrew's day, knowing when it is and talking about it. By Contrast St George's Day in England has nothing, and many folk would not know when it is.

American Thanksgiving sounds to me like an extension of what we call Harvest Festival - giving thanks to God for the Harvest. Here this is now only celebrated in Church and schools, where people are invited to donate produce which would originally have been from their own Harvest - but now usually from a Supermarket. This produce is then distributed to the needy in the community. It is not a holiday and has become something that passes by without being noticed.

I am intrigued that Thanksgiving is on a Thursday. Public Holidays here are usually a Monday, to extend the weekend. Of course the exceptions are the fixed religious festivals, and New Year. Between the Thanksgiving Thursday and the weekend there is a Friday that people have to go back to work?
 
LOL, part of the Thanksgiving holiday for me as a child meant strangers, LOL. My Dad was a minister and we lived in a community that had a university. Dad would arrange to, each year, invite several foreign students to Thanksgiving dinner. This was to share the tradition to a few students who perhaps did not know about it or sometimes it was just someone who would not be able to travel to their homes for Thanksgiving dinner.

Sometimes it was quite interesting if the students were not real proficient in the English language. I remember students from Africa and India in particularly.
 
@Lucycat, thank you for explaining St. Andrew's Night. What is in a Haggis meal?

It is a mystery to me, why the Thanksgiving holiday is on Thursday. It inconvenient, as you mentioned, since many people, like me, need to work the day after, on Friday. Many other people do take Thursday and Friday off. t'd prefer Thanksgiving to be on Friday.

The day after Thanksgiving is the biggest shopping day of the year.
 
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Haggis is a savoury pudding containing sheep's heart, liver and lungs, minced with onion, oatmeal, suet, spices, and salt, mixed with stock, and traditionally encased in the animal's stomach and simmered for approximately three hours. This is served with neeps and tatties, which is mashed turnips and potatoes.

I have to admit I used to enjoy eating haggis until one day I was listening to the radio and heard them describing how they made it. I have not touched it since! I am a hypocrite, as I am not vegetarian and enjoy other meat, but this was a step too far for me :eek:

Today I looked at the hospital's St Andrew's Day menu;
the options included Black Pudding or Cullen Skink ( thick fish soup) as a starter.
Haggis as described above with neeps and tatties, Chicken stuffed with Haggis, Baked Haddock or venison pie as a main course.

Clootie Dumpling ( a bit Like Christmas Pudding) or Scottish Cheeses and Oatcakes to finish.


The day after Thanksgiving is the biggest shopping day of the year.
I guess that is the Black Friday I have heard about. I always wondered why.
 
Most state or government employees love Thanksgiving because we get to leave early on Wednesday, cook and bake all afternoon and evening, enjoy a time with Family on Thursday, and get Friday off!

I have not liked the shopping on Friday. I tend to boycott it because I dislike our American obsession with getting stuff a few bucks off at the expense of everything else. I'm upset that store employees have literally been trampled to death by crowds dying to get in. The consumerist culture is something that I have trouble understanding.

I grew up abroad in the Dominican Republic during my early teens. When I returned to the US in the 90s, in high school, I went into shock. I have never fully recovered.
 
Most state or government employees love Thanksgiving because we get to leave early on Wednesday, cook and bake all afternoon and evening, enjoy a time with Family on Thursday, and get Friday off!

The Friday after Thanksgiving is not a legal national holiday. The Stock Exchange is open and Federal government employees do not get the day off as a holiday. If they want the day off they have to take it as a vacation day. State, County or small municipality employees may have the Friday off depending on Union contract(s). Most schools are closed on the Friday after Thanksgiving and a high majority of non-retail corporations too. For folks that work in a non-retail corporation (that's me) whose policy is to close on the day after Thanksgiving means work has to be completed in three days instead of the usual five.

The reason Thanksgiving is on a Thursday is because past US presidents had it on a Thursday, and in 1941 the US Congress made the 4th Thursday in November a legal national holiday. Congress got together (both sides) thought they had been working their a@@'s off (although all they were doing was arguing) and needed a rest. Besides, they had a lot of vacation time saved up. So they usually take vacation on Friday and many take a good portion of December off too. So many take off that it becomes obvious to those left that nothing can be accomplished in December with so few members. So then the two sides agree to formally take most/all of December off and reconvene in the New Year: that way their vacation time rolls over into another year and eventually there's so much vacation time saved up that they get a big fat amount added on to their last pay check when retirement comes.

Jesus, I had no idea that haggis was that intense. Did you know what was in it, but just not how it was made when you heard that? Because just knowing the ingredients would I think make most Americans gag.

Just reading about the ingredients made my stomach turn :yuck:
 
Only in America do we have a holiday dedicated to giving thanks for all that we have followed by a day of mad shopping so that we can buy everything that we don't! (I only snag a few deals online. Black Friday shopping in stores kills the holiday spirit in me!)
 
This year, capitalism hit a new peak, as major department stores opened on Thanksgiving-instead of waiting till 12:01 am the next day, and demanded employees to work on Thanksgiving.

I've forgotten, how did Black Friday get its name?
 
I've forgotten, how did Black Friday get its name?

In Accounting, when more funds go out than revenue coming in it causes a deficit: a negative value often illustrated by red ink or font color and verbally expressed as "being in the red". When revenue exceeds expenditures or when revenue is balanced by expenditures, it's expressed in black. In retail, a good majority of stores function in the red until the holiday season. I'm not entirely sure, but I think "Black Friday" got started sometime around the later half of the US recession in the 1970's as a way to kick off consumer holiday spending. Prior to it happening, several stores during that recession carried forward a deficit from the previous year into the new year, thus perpetuating stores to operate at a loss.
 
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