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Sufferer An Intro And Question About Possible Abuse

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Thanks for that.

Sorry to hear that you're finding things tough as well. I think my problems in therapy could have been solved without opening this box to be honest. Really annoyed at myself, should have just let things be.
 
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@Maxi , I urge you to discuss these statements and memories with your T. Please trust me when I say burying such things is a surefire way for them to bite you in the ass much harder later.

If men were left alone with you and found kissing you when you were very young, that right there is something that needs to be addressed. I really think it is important that you not ignore this when you have the opportunity to work through it *before* it becomes a powder keg that you simply cannot block out any longer.

If I could recover more of my memories, I would. I'm terrified that more of the details will come flooding back to me in twenty years, or when I have my own children, or some other time when my life is so full of responsibilities that a breakdown will be completely devastating.
 
@Maxi , I urge you to discuss these statements and memories with your T. Please trust me when I say burying such things is a surefire way for them to bite you in the ass much harder later..

I've decided that maybe nothing happened, after all I have no definitive proof. I think maybe I'm just overreacting. Maybe what I'm going to try first is discussing it with some of my family and see if anything insightful comes to light. I don't want to make something big out of nothing. Even if the touching on buses does count as assault I don't think I'm traumatised by it, it's hardly anything. Just need to get rid of feelings!

Thank you for the support, I'll keep you posted. x
 
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@Maxi , I urge you to discuss these statements and memories with your T. Please trust me when I say burying such things is a surefire way for them to bite you in the ass much harder later.
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I spoke to one of my parents in a round about way to ask if anything happened (I wasn't explicit) and if it had would they tell me. They said they could not think of anything and of course they would tell me. This suggests that they definitely were not complicit and might not have even been aware of what was going on. This just adds to my confusion :(
 
I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner.

Therapist and I talked a lot about trust before I think I felt safe enough to talk about it.

I think it's so hard because when we are very young, things probably didn't feel wrong, we didn't know they were wrong, and in some fully objective sense, and i mean taking out morals and just leaving my body and what happened, while I may not remember it all fully, and the young rememberer doesn't attribute wrongness to any of it (the body responded as it responded), there is a way it permeates the adult self. The adult self or selves have the lens of looking at something remembered and thinking "that was wrong" - but if there is something not remembered, or unremembered or buried, then it's not possible to use that lens.

So I talk about body memories. I know there are adults who maybe know more but I can't ask them. And on another level, I think there were things no one could have been complicit in, but it still happened, and I can't remember it. But it's there in my body. So I can talk about my childhood to my therapist, and then body stuff starts to happen, and it doesn't make sense to me. And so I talk about it. Even if at first, or sometimes, I say that I'm having a dry throat, or feelings of pain or tingling between my legs, and why is it, because I'm talking about how we used to go to a relative's house for whatever holiday, or that when I was in preschool I remember nothing except the class picture and the teacher holding the back of my neck and squeezing because I was bouncing up and down on the spring horse. For instance. Sometimes it's not because of memories of the past.

I think @Simply Simon is right about how if you were found being kissing men when you were very young, it's something that happened, even if you can't remember anything else, and it's not about making a larger deal out of something that wasn't anything. I think it's very common for me to discount my own instincts, even in the sense that I have pervasive trust issues, like I can't feel safe in the world, and the only way to heal from that is at least talk about how I don't feel safe, even if I can't unearth every single memory that would explain why my past makes it so. However, it has helped me to honour that -- there are real reasons I don't feel safe, or open; there are real ways that the trauma affects me, and working with my therapist on this is much more the work than trying to uncover memories.

So I'd say that it's better if, rather than worry about the memories, trust instead what comes up. You can even start by having a conversation with your therapist about how slippery memory can be, and agree that maybe things that come up are real, maybe they're not, and either way it's okay. Your therapist should be more concerned with the meaning of what's coming up, and how to process it, than the veracity of what's coming up.

Hm. I'm not sure if that's too clear. I just mean to say, like, even with dreams, which we know aren't real, they can be very useful to therapy work... so why not all the ways the mind experiences things, including memories we can't be sure of?

It's absolutely hard work. But I can say from experience that I went through stages, at 14, 15, 18, 25, 34, and 37... each time feeling like I'd "dealt" with it all. And now at 37 I'm feeling a whole new stage open up that is deeper and more challenging than anything before it. But I know from experience myself, and with others -- burying this kind of thing can sometimes result in it rearing itself in all kinds of very problematic ways including panic attacks, seizures, and other somatic experiences. I can shut things out of my mind but my body ends up having to deal with it.
 
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I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner.


I think @Simply Simon is right about how if you were found being kissing men when you were very young, it's something that happened, even if you can't remember anything else, and it's not about making a larger deal out of something that wasn't anything..

Thank you for responding, I really appreciate it. I start therapy once again in a few weeks and I'm going to think about whether it's worth bringing it up, the kissing, not anything else and see how she responds. I don't want her to overreact. I too have issues around trusting other people to support me and also have pretty serious avoidant attachment issues in relationships :/
 
I don't want her to overreact. I too have issues around trusting other people to support me
Welcome, @Maxi - I just wanted to share that it's really OK to tell your therapist everything, including your doubts over whether you are having an appropriate reaction. Honestly, people who are concerned about over-reacting are rarely over-reacting - but therapy is for putting the stuff out on the table. Also, sometimes you need to take that first scary step (telling), and once you've done it, it gets significantly easier.
 
I'm definitely going to try and bring it up in a causal sort of way. I hope she doesn't see it as too serious. I think you're right, the first step is usually the hardest. Wish me luck and thank you.
 
How did it go (if you've seen her yet)?

I think one of the hardest things for me was when i told therapist a lot of stuff, at some point he said something that really overwhelmed me because in some way.. his reaction (basically to say that I survived at least 10 yrs of sexual abuse) was aligned with reality that I couldn't handle and had suppressed.
and that idea in of itself is terrifying to me, not even that any action would be taken (it wouldn't), or that someone somehow knows (I feel less alone, actually) -- it's more that it makes me look at it in a different way.

One thing I've felt, especially when I was younger, is that since trauma manifested as not feeling in control, I don't think that even after I told, most therapists failed to make explicit to me just how much control I could have in the process of healing. Therapy always seemed like something I consented to, subjected myself to, and especially during disclosure I think it's a vulnerable time. As in, I am vulnerable to the reactions around ume. Whether it is family or therapist, if people have reactions "for me" then it's potentially harmful.

A therapeutic relationship can have space for a therapist's reactions as long as there is established trust. Unfortunately I think this is rarer than therapists would care to admit. If a therapist assumes trust, or simply doesn't check their feelings, then I can feel that. And disclosure is particularly vulnerable around this. If they are completely non-reactive, how do I experience that? Do I need a reaction? Do I need to know what they think? I feel like I do. If therapist expresses outrage, how do I experience that? What if they acted? The therapist should keep absolute confidentiality, if you are old enough and the abuse isn't currently happening. From that respect it should be a space that is safe from external consequences of telling.

So then the consequences are internal.
Sharing with my therapist has opened up huge realms of unexplored territory, and that feels, for the first time, like I'm doing the "real work".

best wishes
pj
 
@Maxi, my memories came back to me when life was good. When I was happy. Not necessarily stress free, but happy. When I had them, I had body memories first but those I could explain away. But once the memories started to surface, I shook like a leaf. There is so much terror and anguish. Self doubt is something I still struggle with today. I don't have any proof that it happened. You may not find it. But if you stuff this down without exploring it further, it will come back to haunt you. If you talk with your therapist and nothing comes of it, you will move on with life. But please explore it. Take note of your physical reactions. Write down the memories as they come to you. You'd be amazed at how well your brain will stuff it right back where it was. Then talk with your therapist about it. I hope that you will find some peace either way.
 
How did it go (if you've seen her yet)?
pj

@Maxi, Self doubt is something I still struggle with today. I don't have any proof that it happened. You may not find it. But if you stuff this down without exploring it further, it will come back to haunt you. If you talk with your therapist and nothing comes of it, you will move on with life. But please explore it. .

Thanks for checking up guys :) Me and my T are creating a safe space so I can begin to explore these things with her. I haven't told her anything explicitly about what I think/know happened, but I've let her know that I'm uncertain and told her a little about the emotional and physical abuse. I'm panicking a bit about the prospect of exploring if I'm being honest. I think that would make things more real than I'm ready to accept. I many ways I know things happened to me, but a part of me really wants to remember and another part does not want to take that risk. I feel as though in some way it will break me. I know it's the past and I can't do anything about it, but I sort of feel as if it can still harm me in some way :(
 
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