this is one guy (sounds like an asshole) who has only one opinion. I did train for combat but I have never been deployed so I did not recognise myself as a veteran until I was corrected by a combat veteran. My point is that just because one person judges by their own standards (or interpretation) this does not mean they are correct. Negative comments should go in one ear and out the other but positive comments should be listened to.
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Emerg Services Anyone Else Have Similar Experience: Shamed For Noncombat Ptsd.
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I saw this after a google search, I thought it was kind of eye opening in a few ways, while I don't have full "blown" PTSD so to speak, I hope you won't be offended if I post here.
PTSD is real for everyone who suffers equally, I don't think it's right David that a non-combat brother in arms would be shamed, much less a soldier who didn't make it past all his training. Especially since the same people doing it most likely wouldn't shame a rape victim, or other forms of PTSD in non-military life. It doesn't take Army Smart material to know that PTSD is legitimately real, so I want to say I feel for you, and i'm sorry it didn't work out for you bud.
I do believe training should be hard, push you to your limits, and I don't think the military should go as far to handicap training like the media and a lot of others would have it do, infact I believe that the current physical requirement of the training is WAY WAY to easy in many ways. At the same time I believe the problem in Basic Training is leadership. Anyone can be taught how to be a Drill Sergeant, but that doesn't make them good leaders, the fact is that combat experience (speaking from experience) and training doesn't make you a leader at all. It might prepare you for the life of a soldier and combat experience will turn you into a survivor, but contrary to what 75% of the soldiers I know believe, they are not leaders. I believe that for most soldiers PTSD actually manifests in basic training in some form, even a precursor if you will, and the military needs to revisit the psychological aspect of it, it needs reform.
The military since most likely WW2 from my own experience and the many conversations i'v had with my family members from the WW2 and Vietnam/Korea era of soldiers as well had more of a glue binding them together of brotherhood and acceptance starting in basic training itself. Now days thanks to politics we are worse off for leadership at the top in many ways due to the politicians meddling to much in every single thing the military does. While most combat veterans like myself have a strong connection to other combat veterans and members of there unit, I really don't see that in the new soldiers coming out of BT/AIT in the last 15-20 years, especially in most of the non-combat MoS's. We are all wearing the same uniform, we're all American, but the glue that holds us together really isn't what it should be. Maybe its all leadership, maybe its the division in our country & the training lacking, or maybe it's the wars we've been in weren't the same as those our ancestors fought were it came down to absolute survival of whole nations, or all of the above, I don't know but I do know the military needs more control over its own in a lot of ways, as well as the training needs to have more emphasis on not just working together, but believing in each other.
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PTSD is real for everyone who suffers equally, I don't think it's right David that a non-combat brother in arms would be shamed, much less a soldier who didn't make it past all his training. Especially since the same people doing it most likely wouldn't shame a rape victim, or other forms of PTSD in non-military life. It doesn't take Army Smart material to know that PTSD is legitimately real, so I want to say I feel for you, and i'm sorry it didn't work out for you bud.
I do believe training should be hard, push you to your limits, and I don't think the military should go as far to handicap training like the media and a lot of others would have it do, infact I believe that the current physical requirement of the training is WAY WAY to easy in many ways. At the same time I believe the problem in Basic Training is leadership. Anyone can be taught how to be a Drill Sergeant, but that doesn't make them good leaders, the fact is that combat experience (speaking from experience) and training doesn't make you a leader at all. It might prepare you for the life of a soldier and combat experience will turn you into a survivor, but contrary to what 75% of the soldiers I know believe, they are not leaders. I believe that for most soldiers PTSD actually manifests in basic training in some form, even a precursor if you will, and the military needs to revisit the psychological aspect of it, it needs reform.
The military since most likely WW2 from my own experience and the many conversations i'v had with my family members from the WW2 and Vietnam/Korea era of soldiers as well had more of a glue binding them together of brotherhood and acceptance starting in basic training itself. Now days thanks to politics we are worse off for leadership at the top in many ways due to the politicians meddling to much in every single thing the military does. While most combat veterans like myself have a strong connection to other combat veterans and members of there unit, I really don't see that in the new soldiers coming out of BT/AIT in the last 15-20 years, especially in most of the non-combat MoS's. We are all wearing the same uniform, we're all American, but the glue that holds us together really isn't what it should be. Maybe its all leadership, maybe its the division in our country & the training lacking, or maybe it's the wars we've been in weren't the same as those our ancestors fought were it came down to absolute survival of whole nations, or all of the above, I don't know but I do know the military needs more control over its own in a lot of ways, as well as the training needs to have more emphasis on not just working together, but believing in each other.
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Best of Luck
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I am seriously interested how you got PTSD from Basic Training "due to extreme bodily harm, near death experiences and mental Abuse from leadership who just gets shamed on almost every rare occasion they open up to others"
@findingmyself first you are replying to a guy who hasn't been on in over a year
second, they do not know why some people develop PTSD to a situation and others don't
I think it's quite rude of you to question "how" someone got PTSD and expect them to explain to you the process in which they got PTSD where others might not have
second, they do not know why some people develop PTSD to a situation and others don't
I think it's quite rude of you to question "how" someone got PTSD and expect them to explain to you the process in which they got PTSD where others might not have
findingmyself
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@Silver My bad, I thought everyone here was anonymous and talked about these things.
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@findingmyself In general, we do.
Sometimes people volunteer shit, others need to be asked, others won't answer, shrug. It can get volatile pretty damn fast, though. I pretty much go by the rule of thumb that I can ask anything I want, and they're free not to answer // and vice versa. Someone wants to ask me something, I'll talk about it, or I won't.
As I said in an earlier post, my own training was a cake walk. But shit happens. Rollover vehicle accidents, discipline parties, DI goes too far, rape, live fire accidents, suicides, etc. They're the exception, not the rule, but they happen. f*cking whiners are on my permanent shit list, but there's actual shit that happens, too.
Sometimes people volunteer shit, others need to be asked, others won't answer, shrug. It can get volatile pretty damn fast, though. I pretty much go by the rule of thumb that I can ask anything I want, and they're free not to answer // and vice versa. Someone wants to ask me something, I'll talk about it, or I won't.
As I said in an earlier post, my own training was a cake walk. But shit happens. Rollover vehicle accidents, discipline parties, DI goes too far, rape, live fire accidents, suicides, etc. They're the exception, not the rule, but they happen. f*cking whiners are on my permanent shit list, but there's actual shit that happens, too.
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:tup::tup::tup: Says it all.
Awesome thread.
I have close experience with a combat PTSD vet. One day during conversation, he said: It could be PTSD. It's post traumatic stress disorder. It can happen from any trauma.
He has made comments about people having service dogs who aren't vets with PTSD, such as they should be called support dogs (for non vets) instead of service dogs. I think the word "service" is key here because it can be tied to military "service" as opposed to a dog that is providing a "service".
Basically -- they're not all assholes :) but combat vets can be very proud people, so I think that sometimes they don't know how to manage that in this context.
I have close experience with a combat PTSD vet. One day during conversation, he said: It could be PTSD. It's post traumatic stress disorder. It can happen from any trauma.
He has made comments about people having service dogs who aren't vets with PTSD, such as they should be called support dogs (for non vets) instead of service dogs. I think the word "service" is key here because it can be tied to military "service" as opposed to a dog that is providing a "service".
Basically -- they're not all assholes :) but combat vets can be very proud people, so I think that sometimes they don't know how to manage that in this context.
He's not correct on this one.
It is from disability assistance / service. As in serving someone who is disabled. Which those people requiring them do have.
It has nothing to do with military service whatsoever, and isn't derived from it.
I understand that. That's just his opinion. And I understand that "service" in service dog doesn't refer to military "service", I just think that may be where my SO gets his (incorrect) logic from.
I was just excited for him to be so non-judgemental (non-judgemental for him, at least).
Understood @tiredtexan & thanks for sharing. :)
I'm glad your communication with said person is working just fine, even about topics that are difficult like disability services.
I'm glad your communication with said person is working just fine, even about topics that are difficult like disability services.
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