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News Confidentiality, What Feckin Confidentiality?

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Anarchy

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Specialist multi disciplinary psychotherapy service for NHS doctors, dentists and health professionals who cannot access appropriate local care because of needs around confidentiality.
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Some animals are more equal than others - Orwell, Animal Farm

Clear evidence (if any were needed) that NHS confidentiality does not exist for us ordinary Peons, and that a better, more confidential service is available for NHS insiders.

wasn't one of the founding lies of the NHS, that it intended to avoid a "two tier system"?
 
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I believe it was yes.

I am afraid I don't know a whole lot about this sort of thing. Mind you I am no longer under the NHS blanket of malpractice.... I mean care.

What do you suppose the malign purpose is?
 
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Hi Neverthesame.
Is Canada much better? I thought it was either illegal or at least extremely difficult to get anything outside of the state sector system there, unless you crossed the border?

I was both pissed off and pleased when I read that site. It is such a clear illustration of the failure of the NHS to achieve its own stated aims.

It shows that those who work in the NHS are aware that there is a big problem with confidentiality, hence the seperate service.

and that the claim made on the founding of the NHS that it would be a top quality service for all, is also contradicted by the site, as there is clearly a higher quality service being provided for select NHS insiders.

to contrast the present system with it's predecessor system of many competing doctor's surgeries and hospitals of different sizes,

no claim was made for equal quality of service, just as clothes shops, car makers, and coffee shops don't make a claim for a universal standard accross the board for their market, providers competed to provide the best value for money service they could, and sited their practices where there were potential customers

and any provider who got a reputation for poor confidentiality, probably lost those customers for whom confidentiality mattered, to a provider who took more care of confidentiality.

There is also the side issue that unless we opt out of it, our very poorly anonymised NHS medical records are now available for research and commercial purposes. The programme was sold in the media as being a benefit to the patient, as any hospital can now access our records online, for things like blood and tissue group and allergies.

I got a different view on that from a GP (he's not a libertarian, he's a socialist), who pointed out that when soldiers began to have their blood group tattooed on them, deaths due to transfusions of the wrong blood group increased. It is easy to get the records wrong or mixed up. The correct procedure even if an urgent batch of blood must be administered immediately without knowledge of blood group, is apparently to mix a sample of the patient's blood with the transfusion blood in a test tube, and keep observing it for reaction, and if a reaction occurs to treat the patient for it immediately.

He reckoned that having records would lead to the same complacency and hence avoidable deaths that the tattooing of soldiers had lead to.

as to the why s, I don't think there is a need to invoke anything more malign than the mal incentives of a well meaning but misguided policy.

Without market signals, the decisions of what to provide, where, at what quality and in what quantity, pass from paying individual consumers, and what they are willing to pay for, to politics.

In politics, an organized special interest is far more effective in getting a political decision to go its way, than diverse public opinion is.

A small pressure group is easier to bring together and hold together than a large and diverse one.

the motivation to organize is stronger when there is a large potential reward, than when there is a smaller reward or cost.

Hence the decisions about the NHS (as with any other politics) tend to be most influenced by small groups of organised special interests, who stand to make big concentrated gains (all values are subjective, so the gains are not necessarily monetary, they might be moral, egotistical, religious etc)

and least influenced by the large mass of un organized individuals over whom the costs tend to be spread.

Who are the most concentrated special interests who stand to make the biggest gains?

big pharma and doctor's associations. followed by the various nurses and clerical unions.

Who is the largest and most diverse group, over whom the costs are spread - the public.

A system which was supposed to put the healthcare service in the hands of the many, has taken the decision making away from all paying customers for whom each penny spent was effectively a vote, and has inevitably put it into the hands of the most privileged and most self interested few.

and as the link shows, there is a system within the system, for some of those select few.
 
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I certainly haven't received high quality care so far.

Thanks for the link @Anarchy
 
I think I've read it differently, where that particular link refers to health professionals working in the NHS who need treatment and may have concerns about their own confidentiality in what is their workplace. For example, I can choose what of my health issues I share with colleagues and my manager but this becomes much harder if the place I go to for treatment is my own workplace. Its not just practitioners or people directly involved in care, but colleagues who know you, see you going in to a particular department and put 2 and 2 together. It's also hard to keep confidentiality when your health might be the subject of a case discussion with colleagues.

I don't necessarily disagree with some of your criticisms of the NHS but in this instance can see how separate services might be appropriate for NHS staff who want to protect their own privacy.
 
Orwell aka Eric Arthur Blair... any connection with Tony?

Don't know.

there are a lot of ifs in this; If I was into tartan, and if I was running very short of tartans which I could lay claim to (I'm not into it, and could claim lots of them), one of my more distant ancestors was a Blair living at Athol.

The route to me is via a pregnant servant girl and a the resulting child dumped into an orphanage, many miles from Athol, back about the middle of the 19th century. My family are slow breeders so the link is a little closer than the timescale might indicate... which is frightening. I've not looked for a link with Tony B Liar.

I suppose to the extent that both Blairs had comfortable upbringings, reasonable education and were initially drawn to the fabians, they had something in common, but beyond that they went in very different, almost opposite directions. So it would be deeply ironic if they were reasonably close blood relatives.

Just as a btw. 1984, is often said to be simply the year of publication, 1948, with the last two numbers swapped. There is another possibility in there. The fabians prefaced their approach to gradual rather than revolutionary social change with "even if it takes 100 years" the fabian manifesto was published in 1884.
 
Sorry for the delay on this, I ran out of energy the last couple of days.

Canada's health care system is complicated to put it politely. Most provinces do use a NHS like system. But Alberta (the province I live in). Uses a two tier system.

You can either use your government health care, if you don't mind waiting. Or you can use the private system if you can afford it. Surprisingly it seems to work ok. From what I can tell, waiting times have stayed about the same. Though I don't have the metrics to really state that as fact.

I am a little confused as to why the idea of a separate system designed for those who work for the NHS, having a more confidential system is a terrible thing? I remember when I was starting to become symptomatic of PTSD, while still in the health care sector. One of the reasons I chose to avoid seeking help, was the fear of being drummed out of the field. The lack of confidentiality here did and I believe still does. Encourage people to hide the fact that they are struggling with issues, for fear of losing their jobs, or being permanently relegated to some boring clerical position. (Whether true or false, right or wrong. That is the fear.)

Unless I am blind, the link you provided simply states that such a two tier system exists in the NHS. Not what it's intended purpose is.

Could it be, that it is designed to help those who work in the NHS overcome the fear of being ostracised for seeking help for whatever reason that they need it?

In which case it is simply providing a level of confidentiality not required by the general public.

The line about a physician self-referral leads me to believe that this is a probable reasoning on my part.

Or is it just the fact that the NHS lied?

Then yes, I would say that they have. Bastards!
But we already knew that. Lol.
 
Hi Neverthesame,
I can relate to the energy thing, and I've also been holding back to compose a reasoned reply to Suzetig's points. I got into a bit of a dispute on another thread yesterday and the day before, so my inner interwebz pugilist was far too close to the surface

I've no objection what so ever to having a spectrum of levels of service to choose from (I drive a 16 year old mini people carrier style Japanese car - if that gives an indication of my sort of choices for myself, and have no problem in running a friend down to pick his Bentley continental up, if it has been at the garage)

Both you and Suzetig have very valid points. I think that the inclusion of dentists and exclusion of nursing staff in the service I linked to, suggests that the reason isn't about being recognized at your own hospital. Plus, for most of Britain, the population density is high enough that it is easy enough to use a bog standard hospital in another city, where you wouldn't be easily recognized, without spending too much time travelling.

My main points are:

that, for ordinary users of the NHS, there really is no longer an acceptable level of confidentiality,

and, the original claims made for the NHS that it would provide the best treatment for all, is shown to be false, yet that claim is still widely implied.

I actually liked the system in Ireland, where we paid to see a GP, so we got more or less straight in, the receptionist was almost pleasant to us and the doctor was keen to please, in the hope of seeing us again. Unfortunately, Irish politicians were proposing "free" GP visits, which means that an alternative rationing system will apply, probably waiting time.
 
I work for a company who work closely with the nhs....I'm basically a dogs body but can access free counceling if, and when I need it...and have access to 24 hour helpline....this is open to absolutely everybody who works for the company. I personally find this a great bonus and enables me to stay working where I am....any other place I've worked in the care sector has never offered this and it is not easy finding someone to speak to concerning both my own mental health and the breaking of confidence( which I take very seriously) when seeking help for stresses involved in caring for others.

Personally, it's a huge safety net for me and know I have somewhere safe to seek advice, if I need it.
 
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