Honor Thy Father And Mother...

[wife of]

Just throwing this in there but looking at it from another angle...it is widely accepted today that the words mother and father are not automaticaly tied to the life forms that are your biological parents so maybe there are others that hold the title of mother and father in your soul and therefore it is they you should honour?

 

[freakofnurture]

Honor is earned, as is being honored. If you don't deserve it, you don't get it, period.

Also, what is it with god forgetting to put "Honor thy daughters, sons and intersexed children" in that book?

*sigh*

EDIT:
Also, since there is no hell, you're not going there.

 

[Eleanor]

God gets so many things wrong about human beings at the beginning of the Bible. Maybe God thought people would just naturally love and care for their children - other animals seem to do a pretty good job. Clearly God expected people to be more honest than they are - "Cain, Where is your brother?" "Am I my brother's keeper?" Well, yeah, dude, actually you are! Evasion of responsibility is there from the first... "The woman made me eat the fruit!"

I have always wondered about what kind of people need the ten commandments written in stone - Honestly, they seem pretty intuitive and obvious to me. (except maybe the first couple about putting God first, depending on how you count.) The specificity of the Halakhah rules on sexual misconduct ("don't have sex with your siblings, or your half siblings, or your step siblings" seems kind of obvious to me, but the briefest glance at the people on Jerry Springer demonstrates that maybe God had the right idea about people needing guidance on this point...):O_o:

 

[HëllaBubz]

Hmmmm. I don't know that I understand fully what you might be trying to say there Eleanor, but for me, I think that those questions and answers show us that He did indeed already know what they/we were going to say, and it was a very gentle but direct point as to why they should have trusted Him.

Now this may sound like hocus pocus bull :poop: to you, but I believe our sense of wrong and right, as well as common sense came from Him, and it is His way of helping us when we are receptive to protect us from ourselves.

If anything, for me, the points you have raised about Cain and Adam and Eve, that is a very good lesson as to how they didn't trust in Him, they got caught up in their own nature (Cain - jealousy, Adam - can't live without wife, then blame her when caught out).


We spend our entire lifetime looking for 'the one' and yet He has been there all along, in the 'nice friends' zone, waiting for you to either get desperate enough or come to your senses! He won't stalk you, or force Himself on you, or call you at stupid hours of the night when drunk, but rather sits on your bedhead and watches over you lovingly.

I don't know what to say anymore, I am highly aware of sounding like a die hard bible basher, and I really don't want that for other people.
I have always been someone who wants better for someone else than myself, so in saying that, I hope your relationship with the 'Ceiling Cat' grows to be better than mine.

 

[Nickerama]

Hi everyone! I have a great deal of anxiety about making this thread. However, I am hoping to get some responses that will help me put this issue to rest. Here goes.

Honor thy father and mother is a commandment from God. I have so much guilt over my relationship with my parents. My parents were my abusers throughout my childhood into teenage years. When I tried to talk to them about it several years ago, they disowned me and said I wasn't their daughter.

Hi daisygirl,

Wow....you are in the same boat I am! I was sexually abused by my father and my mother did not do anything to stop it. She actually physically beat me.

I had flashbacks around 13 years ago, and started remembering the abuse. It was like a movie that I was watching in horror slowly unfold but knowing I was the one being abused. It was so painful to remember, I had to go to a counsellor and get help right away.

I started remembering more about other members in my family, an Uncle and my Grandfather also molested me when I was young. I can't believe I remembered everything. It was like a nightmare I couldn't wake up from. I was such a mess!

When I confronted my parents about the abuse, my father said "You came on to me". My brother also witnessed this. He was shocked when he heard my father say this. This was an admission.

Since then we have tried counselling, a Pastor tried to help us, but they completely denied everything and basically disowned me, unless I said that nothing happened. The whole family will not discuss this with my parents, they want to be "on good terms" with both of us. No one wants to take a stand. My whole family is screwed up. Like you, my parents sent both my brother and I nasty evil emails, saying "I need help" I'm the sick one, I've done horrible things to them, etc. I am standing firm even though it's tough because I know the secrets keep abuse continuing. The devil likes secrets, lies, guilt. Remember God is Truth.

Anyway, like you Daisygirl, I had to make a choice. I had to cut off ties with my family. It was so difficult, but had to be done. The family is toxic and they have strongholds on them they will not break. I have been praying for them but that's all I can do. Leave it in God's hands. Meanwhile, I'm taking care of myself, surrounding myself with people who love me and believe me. I think that's what you need to do. Pray for them, but don't become filled with their toxicity.

I know it's very difficult to say "Honor thy mother and Father". I'm having a very tough time with this.

I'm sorry that this has happened to you too.

I pray that you get stronger. For me, trusting and leaning on God has helped heal me, and I'm feeling stronger everyday.

God's blessings to you Daisygirl!
Nicky

 

[Red Feather]

I think it doesn't mean accepting abuse. I think there is sense to it, but not in the way that most people understand. I think of it more like honoring the soul that never did want to hurt us, and dishonoring the rest. That way we can find healing and our parents too.

It doesn't mean abiding their wishes and doing what they want. It can happen when there is no contact.