How to ask for treatment for suicidal thoughts?

[NightSky]

@Justmehere I’m sorry it’s so hard, but I see you trying. That’s all I want to say. I see you. And although I don’t know you aside from on here, I care and feel for the struggle you’re having. Please keep hanging on each day until you can find relief. It’s so hard when you’re tired of the struggle. I see your pain and I’m sorry for that, too. I know when you’re in it, it’s hard to believe there’s anything else. But there is. Just keep taking care of yourself the best you can and talking to us.

 

[MrMoonlight]

The local ER laughs in my face. I'm too calm. They won't do a psych eval.

That makes me so angry, I mean to have people in true need of help turned away is sickening

You need to do something, anything is better than nothing so maybe 911 and a ride from them would make them care for you for an evening to reset??? I hate not having the answers or a solution. I just know you need help, do you have family or a friend you could call on?

I know motivation is really difficult. Are you at home? Are you showered and dressed? Sometimes doing those simple things can make a person feel that little bit better and more human.

I'm sending good mojo and all the encouragement I can. You are a strong intelligent person that deserves to find a bit of happiness. You are one of the good ones we can't afford to lose. :hug: ?

Have you tried progressive muscle relaxation? For me it can relax and shift my thinking bringing mind and body together. This is just one of many on youtube.

 

[Fadeaway]

I completely understand what you are going through. I could have written this word for word myself. The increasing fear that came with knowing that no one would help help me no matter how hard and loud that I screamed that I was feeling suicidal, was the icing on the cake that lead to my actual attempt. I have been told twice since that I need to stop going to the E. R. because I am wasting resources. Well, then tell everyone else who is supposed to help to stop telling me to go to the E. R. to stop telling me to go and actually do what they are being PAID to do.

Hearing that someone else is going through this just fulls my motivation to fight back.

And that's the thing, while we were forced into this fight against our wills by the the people struggling, that caused our PTSD but we are still fighters. You still have that spark in you driving to fight for your self, and you know deep down you not only deserve the help that you aren't getting, but your life is worth it and the potential for overcoming this is there.

We may not be able to get the help we need from a professionals that are supposed to be more knowledgeable than the average person about helping someone going through SI, but frankly I trust people like yourself a whole hell of a lot more to know how to help people than I do these shitty professionals.

They can't help others because they don't know what it is like. This is where the real professionals are at. Dig you heals in and start start telling yourself that no matter how bad you are struggling, there is hope and help, just that it isn't always where we are told to find it.

Let me ask you, what would your like be like if you were able to get these thoughts under control in the next few weeks? What do you want it to look like with symptoms under control. What could you do if you could move forward without the pain with the knowledge that despite everything you have been through you survived and came out on the other side? Write it down, even if it is only one sentence. Then keep building on that, and keep writing it down. Not what you wish for but what would be plausable if your symptoms were in complete remission? I was doing this last summer and became very hopeful and the more hopeful I felt, the more I seemed to attract good in my life. I had new traumas happen and went backwards because I was grieving the progress I had made and focusing on loss and on what I couldn't have. If I'm going to pull myself out of this I have to start focusing on what it will be like on the other side of this. I am thinking it might help you too.

 

[Mach123]

I'm so sorry I hope you can get with someone who can help. I don't want anyone to feel depressed. : (. I hated anything anyone said when I was depressed so nothing helped. Now I'm not. I know you are trying to feel better. I'd send you some feel better if I could.

 

[pink318]

I’ve been thing to sort out new/different treatment and support options. I have been through some really bad intakes and experiences over the past six months, one assessment experience was bad enough I should probably report it to regulatory officials. I won’t share about details here except to say I’m really shutting down to trying to get help and I wonder if I’m sabatoging it by being too calmly frank.

I broke down and saw an old therapist and point blank told her “I’m having a lot of suicidal thoughts. I want to die.”
Therapist replied, “Do we need to go outside and call 911?”
Me: “No.”
Therapist: Ok.”
Silence for about two minutes, and then I said, “Can you say something more? I’m really struggling with this. Can you help me with it?”
Therapist: “I asked if we needed to call 911.”

I brought it up later too, asking what would be things we could do in therapy deal with it, reduce this, and again, she only asked, “do we need to go outside and call 911?”
I broke down sobbing and said,”Sure. Do it. If that’s my only treatment option, let’s do it. Then what will 911 do?”
She then said, “They will take you to the hospital and give you meds that won’t help and retraumatize you and send you home.”
“Ok. Call them.”

She didn’t. Wtf was this all about then? Making me feel humiliated for having this problem and not being sure right now what to do? I got so upset she told me if I didn’t calm down I would need to leave. I didn’t really calm down. She soon said time was up and I needed to pay and told me to mantraized opposite thoughts. I asked what that meant because it didn’t made immediate sense (does now) and she cut me off to tell me she didn’t have time to tell me. I dropped my wallet and everything came out and I was sobbing and just fell apart. I left and walked through an extremely public place. I am so messed up. I just walked crying. Only reason I didn’t die was my dog.

That was the entire discussion about the suicidal thoughts. I have tried with another therapist in the recent past and didn’t actually get any further.

Wtf. Is there some kind of thing I’m missing to be able to talk about this hellish symptom of my brain wanting to off myself?

I made an attempt months ago and stopped myself halfway through and went to and ER... where they stated in medical records that they discharged without a psych assessment because I showed no signs of distress and they didn’t believe I was suicidal. They did no medical history. Just did triage and a doc stopped by and asked what I wanted. I managed to say I’m suicidal, and a psych eval. My doctor was furious that they just discharged. I was still very affected by what I had done when I walked in but the records show I said I was suicidal and I said I needed a psych eval. My doctor ended up seeing me in her office and I told her everything and she put me on an antideressant and asked me to stay with a friend. I never connected to any friends and stayed up all night a mess.

I had to stop the antidepressant due to serious side effects a few days ago and things are bad. I am doing all I can on my own.

I don’t know why I have bothered to try to get help. I seem to be too calm or too upset.

I’m in a bad spot. I don’t think I have it in me to ask for help again. What would be the point? More feeling horrible that I asked? The therapist asking about 911 was last night and whatever I had to hang on is weaker today after that. It’s a moment by moment thing. I really want to know what I’m doing wrong. I think it’s mentioning the suicidal thoughts at all, but I don’t think I’d tell someone else that.

Hello- I’m sorry for the experience you had with your therapists. I hope you can find someone who can help you to feel well. Do you have a support group that you meet in person? It will help you to feel less lonely.

Please take care of yourself and try to do things that you think you will enjoy. I pray that things will work out for you. Please keep us posted, God bless.
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[windsoar]

Recently had an eye opening..for me..discussion with my T on this topic. From his point of view....he has legal contrants. Must report if I say the magic suicide word with a reasonable plan. He said then I send you to the hospital, you convince them you're not, they release you. His legal requirements fulfilled. He feels the benefit of the hospital is a safe place to put space between the thoughts & actions. A time of reconsideration, calming down, seeking alternatives. He said he believed if someone was intent, nobody can stop them. He has lost patients to suicide & talked about the toll it took on him & shared the one time he considered it. That toll is the reason why therapist abandon clients, backaway, cease to be as involved, medicate beyond what is actually helpful to the patient.
Next obvious question..so what do I do, what will help me? We made a plan of action. Several steps including a call to him to say it's time to initiate the plan. A promise from me that if it's not working, I will say so & give the hospital a try. A promise from him to accompany me to the hospital to pave the way, see me while there, be involved in treatment there.
For me the needing help, knowing it, being willing to accept it was hard. But even worse was going thru that & then either not having anyone who knew how to help or was willing to help. That just confirmed to me suicide was the reasonable, only option.
Sometimes I think weekly sessions are a waste. Then something happens. This is not the life I would of choosen. It was the one I was dealt. Sometimes I want to fold. Sometimes I win a small pot. Occasionally I win a jackpot. Went thru many T's until I found this one whose willing to stay in the game with me. My thoughts are with you.

 

[2MarblesLost]

I’ve been thing to sort out new/different treatment and support options. I have been through some really bad intakes and experiences over the past six months, one assessment experience was bad enough I should probably report it to regulatory officials. I won’t share about details here except to say I’m really shutting down to trying to get help and I wonder if I’m sabatoging it by being too calmly frank.

I broke down and saw an old therapist and point blank told her “I’m having a lot of suicidal thoughts. I want to die.”
Therapist replied, “Do we need to go outside and call 911?”
Me: “No.”
Therapist: Ok.”
Silence for about two minutes, and then I said, “Can you say something more? I’m really struggling with this. Can you help me with it?”
Therapist: “I asked if we needed to call 911.”

I brought it up later too, asking what would be things we could do in therapy deal with it, reduce this, and again, she only asked, “do we need to go outside and call 911?”
I broke down sobbing and said,”Sure. Do it. If that’s my only treatment option, let’s do it. Then what will 911 do?”
She then said, “They will take you to the hospital and give you meds that won’t help and retraumatize you and send you home.”
“Ok. Call them.”

She didn’t. Wtf was this all about then? Making me feel humiliated for having this problem and not being sure right now what to do? I got so upset she told me if I didn’t calm down I would need to leave. I didn’t really calm down. She soon said time was up and I needed to pay and told me to mantraized opposite thoughts. I asked what that meant because it didn’t made immediate sense (does now) and she cut me off to tell me she didn’t have time to tell me. I dropped my wallet and everything came out and I was sobbing and just fell apart. I left and walked through an extremely public place. I am so messed up. I just walked crying. Only reason I didn’t die was my dog.

That was the entire discussion about the suicidal thoughts. I have tried with another therapist in the recent past and didn’t actually get any further.

Wtf. Is there some kind of thing I’m missing to be able to talk about this hellish symptom of my brain wanting to off myself?

I made an attempt months ago and stopped myself halfway through and went to and ER... where they stated in medical records that they discharged without a psych assessment because I showed no signs of distress and they didn’t believe I was suicidal. They did no medical history. Just did triage and a doc stopped by and asked what I wanted. I managed to say I’m suicidal, and a psych eval. My doctor was furious that they just discharged. I was still very affected by what I had done when I walked in but the records show I said I was suicidal and I said I needed a psych eval. My doctor ended up seeing me in her office and I told her everything and she put me on an antideressant and asked me to stay with a friend. I never connected to any friends and stayed up all night a mess.

I had to stop the antidepressant due to serious side effects a few days ago and things are bad. I am doing all I can on my own.

I don’t know why I have bothered to try to get help. I seem to be too calm or too upset.

I’m in a bad spot. I don’t think I have it in me to ask for help again. What would be the point? More feeling horrible that I asked? The therapist asking about 911 was last night and whatever I had to hang on is weaker today after that. It’s a moment by moment thing. I really want to know what I’m doing wrong. I think it’s mentioning the suicidal thoughts at all, but I don’t think I’d tell someone else that.

I read through your experience with T-wonder why couldn't just be spelled out for you. Options you might have.
I think in that time you just want to escape what you are feeling-even for a little while.
My husband is my sufferer, and seeing him this way bothers me enough that I went on information hunt. YouTube, Facebook, and Google d anything I could find because I know he's suffering so badly.
I found a quick self soothe that made sense. No cure all by any means-but a start.
Said wrap your right arm around front of you and tuck hand in arm pit. Left arm comes around front of you and grasp your right shoulder with right hand. This is a self-soothing gesture a T suggested on YouTube. I think it was Dr Levine who the feller was. Worth a try anyways.....tried it myself, and it had a comforting feeling to it. Seems that it would help.