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ED I binged and then purged for the first time today...

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I have never been diagnosed with any eating disorder and am pretty sure I do not have one, in spite of a sister that has called me anorexic. Under stress, I have lost my appetite and lost a few pounds several times during life. I do believe there is an underlying "belief" that I am unworthy or undeserving. Its an emotional aspect in our family dynamics that I took on, different from siblings. My eating habits use to be very healthy, with the exception of bouts of stress-(not ptsd).

Post trauma, I went through a period where I could not eat, it was nauseating. I have always believed that some people tend to eat for comfort, and some loose appetite during stressful times. Just as some live to eat, others eat to live. This is seperate from any issues with body image-that is a whole different issue.

Regardless, malnourishing and binging and purging are both self destructive and punishing behaviors, as are many other behaviors such as addictions, cutting, burning, etc. They are all very serious and need to be the priority in therapy sessions. I think it is really important to recognize them as soon as they begin, share in therapy, and do whatever is needed to address before they escalate.

I am one of those people who have a tendency toward feelings of guilt, not healthy feelings of guilt that we all need when we do something wrong, but guilt that I have no idea what I even feel guilty about. These feelings have appeared during stressful times as well.

About 3 months after my trauma that left me in really bad shape, I was desperately trying to get a handle on things and was diagnosed with ptsd. My bf at the time was pressuring me about some things, and my grown daughter was angry that I was in the relationship with him, bunch of other stuff as well. I was very nervous and trying to make peace. I was smoking a cigarette and the hot ash fell on my chest area against my shirt. I ragingly took the cigarette and pressed it into the hot cherry and put it out on my chest. I felt like I was ready to blow until this happened, and then there was a sudden relief. Then I felt awful at what I had done.
I had a big blister. The only 2 people who knew was my daughter and the bf. For the first time, I understood true aggressive self destruction and all the effects. (I was aware of the more passive destructions such as drinking or smoking. )

I have never really dealth with that episode in counseling, (insurance would only pay for counseling for suicidal or homicidal). I never did anything like this again, but began playing gambling machines (very self destructive). Onset-age 50. While I do not think these things are typical later in life, I do think it depends on the age when trauma occurs or age when symptoms and stress peak.
 
There are some different theories about why people are compulsive gamblers as well. One is that the person feels guilt and shame for no reason, so when they gamble and loose money, it gives them a reason to feel the shame, and the shame lead to more of the destructive gambling behavior. That feels right to me because I know I am a good person, but none the less carry the shame. After gambling, I have a reason to feel ashamed. I dont know if this is similiar to anything that you are experiencing and if not, just ignore.
 
Just thought, lots of our triggers (or experiences) can go back to (a) kitchen backdrop, or meal-times, or growing up, or even pre-event going to dinner.
In that eating, is relatively continuous.

Plus, no one can 'run' on a full stomach!
Good point, Junebug! I had early onset of bulimia as pre-teen and early adult that was horrific in my "secret" life. I get the Drama Girl thing because even after I finally was able to admit to it and get help the drama-rama continued in my life, despite my ongoing therapy.
My eating disorders have switched up to overeating to extreme under-eating because I was totally unable to choke down anything for days at a time, it was just impossible or I burned it off at an alarming rate. It seems my body flows with my moods and hunger has little to do with food intake for me. I cannot discern when I am actually hungry or whether I am full physically until I well past the point of both.
This has EVERYTHING to do with my traumas and upbringing. I have to own my body, be willing to stay within it and treat it like I care for it. Easy to say, very difficult to maintain on a daily basis while healing.
I'm grateful to have found out that I was not alone in these struggles. I agree, Brat, that to shut down one obsession is to find another to run away with, at least that's my take on it. I have found that my mind is willing to find any escape hatch possible so I have to remain mindful.
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Dissociated: Three times in a month- I was terrified to tell my therapist when I saw her last week. But she said it was good that my female alter was beginning to express her emotions, that my wife was understanding and prepared for the situation. It went unsaid that although purging in itself is not a good behavior, in this case giving my female alter some way to externalize her feelings is probably doing more good than har.

Sounds to me like there's been some major strides made in some way! I am told that in many cases it gets worse before, or as, it gets better; so this could very well be a huge moment for you as a whole! I am very interested to hear about your progress going forward! Its not an appropriate response but at the same time- It's a RESPONSE! Woo hoo! I think this is good!

SOL: And no offense to younger members, but it IS hard being someone who has an ED that started later in life. Online forums are filled with teenagers who don't really get it. IME most are obsessed with being fat and body image. That is NOT what it's about for me. (I have a history of binge/purge).

I completely agree. I've tried to seek out other forums that focus on eating disorders as I don't get too much focus on the ED, and need some outlet. They are just not in the same place as me and their focus is on the weight and body image. I think for me, it's about the fact that I am safe now, and no longer have a chaotic situation in my face, so I use the ED to create one as a means to justify my feelings. I thrive in the chaos, and without it I feel overwhelmed with unexplainable emotions....

brat17: There are some different theories about why people are compulsive gamblers as well. One is that the person feels guilt and shame for no reason, so when they gamble and loose money, it gives them a reason to feel the shame, and the shame lead to more of the destructive gambling behavior. That feels right to me because I know I am a good person, but none the less carry the shame. After gambling, I have a reason to feel ashamed. I dont know if this is similiar to anything that you are experiencing and if not, just ignore.[/quote]

I get that completely, as stated above. It occured to me that the only time growing up that I wasn't in a threatening situation was when I was sick. I was taken care of, catered to and coddled if I was ill. So now as an adult- perhaps the use of the ED gives me that same ticket and I use it to gain the safe feeling or need to be nutured. I'm still figuring out how to articulate it but I'm on to something! And so are you! It's obviously complicated, and likely is a combination of things that it gives me- but I feel pretty good about this being a big part of it.
 
missmary-I am so sorry for what you are going through and the feelings of aloneness. I dont think you are alone. How things present may be different, but the cause and result is the same with some variations. I can see how it would be difficult to relate to a group of young girls.

You are on to something. Please know that I am not minimizing your obsession as I think it is very serious. I guess I am thinking that maybe we need a thread on self destructive behavior. Currently, I have a good friend who is snorting pills and I am very concerned. I gamble. We dont really confront each other. Yes there are people out there that are way over the top and dont see their behaviors as a problem. We do. That is the good part. Even with ptsd, we have the insight to know that this is all tied together. We just need to unravel it.

Actually, knowing the cause and understanding can be very beneficial, but we need the support to stop the behavior with or without the knowledge and understanding. I was not always like this. My onset was age 50.

On the other hand, for about 10 healthy years, I walked 305 miles every single day. It was for me and I needed it. In addition, I went to classes that I enjoyed more randomly and the gym. Our body remembers and we may never know why(some are pre verbal). We may never have the knowledge we seek.
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brat- I am in complete agreement with you! And yes, especially for the sake of forum rules, a seperate thread on self disctructive behaviors in relation to coping with PTSD and what-have-you could prove very resourceful and helpful for not only us but others!

I was trying to relate to you with my statement regarding how I was coddled when sick, as I feel it's a similar connection that you are making with your gambling. I too feel guilt and shame after I binge and purge or just binge or just purge... I think it's all connected just like you said! THat's what makes this whole experience so complex and that much more challenging to try and deal with. One thing feeds the other thing and they are all used to cope with something that has to do with the other and it all just gets jumbled and tangled!

I also clean and organize obsessively. And I drink. And shop. It's all some form or level of self medication for me. If I can't drink, I clean, and if everything's clean, I drink. If both are off the table, I can eat...which is when I end up binging, and then I purge because I hate myself for what I just did. After a while of that, I starve myself in an effort to balance out the extra calories I took in- but forbid it if I do it in a healthy way! That's just good for me, and takes too long!! I have to STARVE and hurt and fixate on the need to eat and talk to myself about how I can't because I'm an out of control fat-ass and can't be trusted to eat... And so instead I clean... and then I drink....

It's extremely distructive. My therapist asks me what would happen if I stopped doing all of those things. My answer at this point, is I spaz out and lose all mental stability and I would likely destroy all the progress I DID make in my life. I feel like I'd be committed. Because I can't handle sitting with myself and my thoughts and feelings without a steady distraction, or something to fixate on. Like TV, music, projects, rearranging, cleaning, drinking to slow my mind, eating.... Ugh. This is just such a mess.
 
I know an eating disorder is not the same as cutting but I do think that some of the same coping strategies could apply.

In both incidents unhealthy coping strategies are leading to guilt and physical pain and injury. Maybe you could check out the other threads for ideas.

Just a thought.
 
SUMMARY OF ABSTRACT

- Neglect of attachment needs may leave a person with fewer receptors for endogenous opiods (natural morphine) because these receptors are formed during good attachment experiences
- Chronic childhood trauma and abuse induces repeated flooding of the system with endogenous opiods, one of the consequences of which may be dissociative phenomena (which can pass largely unnoticed in a secretive, isolated, highly adapted childhood where attachment figures have a vested interest in keeping it so)
- The dissociative phenomena are much less functional and understandable in adulthood, especially away from the context they formed in, particularly where denial is the norm (societal also)
- A survivor's capacity for pleasure and well-being may be reduced by their paucity of opioid receptors, making any emotion at all feel overwhelming and out of control
- With consciousness and day to day life preoccupied with PTSD triggers, flashbacks, sleep disturbance, anxiety and depression, somatic consequences etc etc etc a survivor's rare or only experiences of something approaching well-being may be when flooded with endogenous opioids during dissociative experiences, or other opioid-inducing behaviours such as self-harm, addictive behaviours, eating disorders, OCD and so on, and therefore 'habit-forming'


I recently realised a couple of things, both of these started before I was four, the first is a pre-verbal memory. Repeatedly escaping to the back garden to eat soil. This used to be a sort of family joke 'your eyes were always bigger than your belly' etc. Second when I was three or four, refusing to eat a particular food as an emotional response to feeling dismissed by my family. This isn't that unusual, defiantly keeping to it for the next 15yrs maybe is?

It's only recently that I saw these things as being acts of defiance. Food is a non-verbal protest and I think it can grip you early on if your environment isn't settling you emotionally. It was the start of a long line of substitutions of all kinds.
 
When I am under alot of stress I lose weight because I lose my apetite. When I am feeling ok I gain weight. I feel ashamed because of the weight I have gained. I have to buy me new levis because I have gained so much weight I cannot fit into my pants I have. I was doing alot of junk food eating. Chips and cookies. I did this for along time.

I have been doing better, but with the weight on I feel so ashamed because of how I look. I am on the undereating now. It is a cycle. I have gained and lost weight, Many times. I do not know why I lose control like that. The most I weighed was almost two hundred pounds. I do not know if my medications have the gain weight part in them. I will have to read the side effects the next time I get my prescriptions. I am starting to take care of myself again. I think that is why all of a sudden I am concerned about my weight. I think there does need to be a thread on self harming but I do not know where you would put it. Thank all of you for sharing what is going on in your lives. I really appreciate this. I have never really talked about what goes on with me before. I do not know how much I do weigh now. I am afraid to look.
 
I have been doing better, but with the weight on I feel so ashamed because of how I look. I am on the undereating now. It is a cycle. I have gained and lost weight, Many times. I do not know why I lose control like that.


Hi Gizmo,

You know I can't really say I ever got a weight problem from my eating habits (which aren't good) mainly because I went down the drugs route. But when I was doing it I kind of stopped beating myself up because I knew it fufilled a function and I couldn't remove that need yet, so rather than feeling guilty on top I decided to enjoy my vices! Now that is stress reduction! ;)

Eventually I dug them out at the root but only after a long look into defiance and self denial. I know it's hard when you factor in dissociation too. I suppose I'm just saying that ptsd is tough normally without more worries. I started dancing before I totally quit everything because it made me happy and it assisted my depersonalisation disorder. Do something that makes you happy and as a pleasant bonus helps the situation. :hug: Oh yeah and activity doesn't have to be super energetic. I love pilates and thats mainly lying on your back waving your legs about to soft music!! Pity I have to go to the gym for that really!!
 
Thank you so much Springer for the help and encouragement. I really appreciate it alot. I will try the leg waving thing. I am pretty desperate at this point. I do not need to feel the shame or the guilt. That is for sure. I just hate how I look.
 
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