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Thank you @DharmaGirl that means so much to me!!!
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I Have No Words For This Experience - My dad used to kill my pets in front of me in a violent way, implying I would be next.
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I don’t know if this would be useful to you, or not?
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It’s a pretty tried and true way, in certain circles, to create 3 different flavors of sociopaths/psychopaths -largely dependent on the personality of the child themselves, which way they break, but other aspects also matter- to give a child a pet to love/care for/train and then force the child to kill their pet. This method, combined with a few others? Creates very reliable predators. Linked very strongly to you.
Doing it the other way around? Killing/destroying what they love, yourself, out of cruelty? Creates very erratic victims.
Erratic, rather than reliable, because the fracture lines of heartbreak & betrayal are crazed, rather than predictable. There are ALSO ways to create reliable victims, which include the violent murdering of pets/people, but off the cuff it doesn’t sound like the situation you were in?
Child predators -conversely- almost universally foster bonds wih a child’s pet, as that both creates a bond between the child & themselves, and creates a hostage to threaten. Child predators are extremely good at creating reliable victims, rather than erratic ones. So this sounds like a family member. An extremely deranged family member. With a captive audience. Even if you hadn’t said, so. Although it’s equally possible for kidnappers, and other sole “guardians”. It’s just more common for it to be family f*ckery.
The kind of person who kills a child’s pet in front of them? Is very limited/narrow. Usually sadists, who get off on pain, but not always. Very much always, abusive f*cks, with fairly low intelligence, who are seeking to terrorize… with no end goal in mind. Terror for terror’s sake, hidden in a “lesson” no one on planet earth could actually learn. Because it’s all in their very limited heads, what the “lesson” is “supposed” to be. IE no win. Ever. No way to save any pet, by following any rule set. No way to provoke the death of a pet, by breaking a rule set. Garden variety, child abusing, f*cktards, whose moving targets only make sense to them. Sometimes sadistic. Sometimes just cruel as f*ck / mean as a snake, and never understanding “why” what they do doesn’t have the results they want.
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It’s a pretty tried and true way, in certain circles, to create 3 different flavors of sociopaths/psychopaths -largely dependent on the personality of the child themselves, which way they break, but other aspects also matter- to give a child a pet to love/care for/train and then force the child to kill their pet. This method, combined with a few others? Creates very reliable predators. Linked very strongly to you.
Doing it the other way around? Killing/destroying what they love, yourself, out of cruelty? Creates very erratic victims.
Erratic, rather than reliable, because the fracture lines of heartbreak & betrayal are crazed, rather than predictable. There are ALSO ways to create reliable victims, which include the violent murdering of pets/people, but off the cuff it doesn’t sound like the situation you were in?
Child predators -conversely- almost universally foster bonds wih a child’s pet, as that both creates a bond between the child & themselves, and creates a hostage to threaten. Child predators are extremely good at creating reliable victims, rather than erratic ones. So this sounds like a family member. An extremely deranged family member. With a captive audience. Even if you hadn’t said, so. Although it’s equally possible for kidnappers, and other sole “guardians”. It’s just more common for it to be family f*ckery.
The kind of person who kills a child’s pet in front of them? Is very limited/narrow. Usually sadists, who get off on pain, but not always. Very much always, abusive f*cks, with fairly low intelligence, who are seeking to terrorize… with no end goal in mind. Terror for terror’s sake, hidden in a “lesson” no one on planet earth could actually learn. Because it’s all in their very limited heads, what the “lesson” is “supposed” to be. IE no win. Ever. No way to save any pet, by following any rule set. No way to provoke the death of a pet, by breaking a rule set. Garden variety, child abusing, f*cktards, whose moving targets only make sense to them. Sometimes sadistic. Sometimes just cruel as f*ck / mean as a snake, and never understanding “why” what they do doesn’t have the results they want.
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This.
Tho I must also add; I love and adore animals and I'd go out of my way to keep from harming any single one of them. As a matter of fact, I am very protective of both children and animals. And I am happy to have turned out to be this way.
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@Lionheart You’d have been this way, regardless of the crucible.
That’s you.
There are about 3 dozen different ways that kids “split” who have experienced this.
Being protective of kids/animals is certainly colored by your experience, but the base? Is you. If you’d had the most amazing upbringing ever? You’d still be raging against dog fights, child abuse, etc.
It’s not a gift you were given, by the assholes in your life. Just a certainty, having already met the worst that can happen, and your own response to it.
That’s you.
There are about 3 dozen different ways that kids “split” who have experienced this.
Being protective of kids/animals is certainly colored by your experience, but the base? Is you. If you’d had the most amazing upbringing ever? You’d still be raging against dog fights, child abuse, etc.
It’s not a gift you were given, by the assholes in your life. Just a certainty, having already met the worst that can happen, and your own response to it.
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I like who I am, @Friday, at least the man that I've become. And I have inner peace. I am aware that some people are denied that experience and so if that is true, then I am very blessed.
Amen to that!!!
Thank you for affirming this.
Friday
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Sometimes that’s necessary & useful. Sometimes? The status quo. Save it, if needed. You were seen, & understood. Or? Are seen. & understood.
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That is exactly what happened to me, and the exact result. I became an extremely reliable predator. Animal abuse featured heavily in my experiences, particularly the abuse that I was forced into doing. Sometimes I was exposed to a sadistic client who hurt animals in front of me, but by the time that happened I already lacked an appreciable emotional response. I always had to overcome the aversion to causing harm, but just zoned out watching it.
To me, it was more rational to harm an animal than allow harm to come to a human being. This was always presented like a choice, but that was just another tool to cement the identity of perpetrator-abuser in me. For years I had a very human-supremist view of the world. Animals weren't as important as humans, no matter what. If I had to choose between an animal and a person I would pick the person.
As a result, unlike @Lionheart I didn't develop a strong affinity toward animals or children at all, in fact I distanced myself from both as much as possible. We have 3 cats now and I've done my best to try and bond to them, but it was always easier to shut down any investment or attachment to the living things around me.
I am glad you said it 'out loud' @Lionheart . 
You shouldn't have had to pay the price for other's crimes. You neither @Weemie . 
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Thank you. You are a bright blessing in my life @Tinyflame, you truly are and I thank you from my heart of hearts.I am glad you said it 'out loud' @Lionheart .
I an sorry you have to carry all this with you.
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Thank you, @katkit, it's been almost unbearable at times because I was so young and I was strongly attached to my pets; my dogs, cats, and kittens. I wish it hadn't happened and if I had not lived through it I would not have believed it. A grown man doing such a horrid thing to a child is unspeakable. No one deserves to carry such a burden and I appreciate that you understand that. Thanks again for your support and understanding.
I feel the same @Lionheart you are a great blessing to me!
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