I Have to Ask - Why is Bec Modded?

[anthony]

Okay I realise I may not know the full situation... ...So bec called you an asshole while venting in private... it's hardly the crime of the century.

You hit it with the start of your opinion Lisa; the aspect you focused upon has nothing to do with why bec is moderated. What she said was not that, but much more. Again, I am not here to divulge the issue, veiled asked a question which was answered and members are now continuing it by asking further questions. The issue is not for public debate. Members can ask away, and I will answer to a degree, though some privacy issues arise here which I will not divulge in its entirety to the public.

It's Anthony's forum, so he can do what he likes with it. We choose to be members.

Piglet hit it on the head. The subject was never up for debate, its only members who choose to do such from a question Veiled asked me. She could have asked in private, she didn't, she asked in public and I answered.

I don't know the way things work around here obviously. But one thing I do know is if the fact that the 'editors' or the 'owner' is able to read our PM's, that is a disgrace, and not to mention very corrupt.

Hi Tammy,

Actually it is not corrupt, it is completely legal and I am not sure exactly what this has to do with the topic. Once again, people focusing on one aspect. As you asked Tammy, I will answer your specifics. Again though, this information is already on the forum in other posts, as is no secret.

So my direct question is to Anthony....Are you able to read our private messages here on this forum? If so have you ever read them?

Tammy, no need to add "honestly" with me, as you only have to ask me and I will tell you honestly regardless.

I as the owner of this forum can see everything upon this forum. Someone must own the forum, that is a fact. Someone must be able to manage the site, all aspects. That would be me, as the owner. I am the only one, and have only ever been the one and only who can see or access private member data such as private messages, chat transcripts, etc etc. Sorry, someone has to own the site and have access to this data... which would be me.

Owning the website is not negligent Tammy, so I am unsure where your going with this. What would be negligent of myself as the owner, would be to allow others access to such data, which has never, nor will ever occur whilst I am owner, and will only if the forum changes ownership.

Because I can, does that mean I do? No it doesn't. The only time I go looking through personal and private data is if a member has been flagged or reported as suspect, or suspect behaviours. Again, if I just looked that would be negligent on my behalf. However; once reported an issue, if I do not then further investigate matters I would be negligent if other members where exposed to something I could have prevented.

There is a legal disclaimer you agreed to the moment you registered, it is mentioned to read as you register, it is linked from the bottom of every page of this forum, it is linked within FAQ and other important topics. It clearly defines the legalities and privacy of members, the trust instilled in myself, the integrity and trust expected of myself to ensure members privacy remains private. I do that, have done that, and continue to do that. If you feel you are not safe here, then as per the legal policy defines, your one and only option is to cease viewing this forum immediately and leave. If you read the forum, register upon the forum, you agree to the legal terms and conditions of this forum, which means, my ability to protect private and sensitive member data. The privacy employed here is no different to your bank, insurance company, etc. There are laws that govern what must occur with private data, and that already occurs here. You can look that up for yourself.

Tammy, I hope that clearly answers your question. This information is not secret, it is already contained in other threads, it is contained in the legal policy that the buck stops with me. If you feel your privacy is not secure or your safe here, then your only option is to cease using this website immediately and leave. Your information posted will remain though, under copyright of this forum and legal policy clearly outlines.

If you have further questions, I would though hope you would not go off topic and instead create an appropriate thread of relevance, direct me too it through PM, and I will answer your queries. This topic is not about this. Another thing I am going to begin cracking down upon this forum... keeping threads on topic at all times, otherwise create a new thread and reference any posts that your thoughts where inspired.

 

[anthony]

I will add another point for you Tammy, to hopefully quash your desires and concern. I have accessed member private data in the past when flags have been raised. Doing this has caught spammers, which instigated the moderated member issue. New member came upon the forum and attempted to spam through the PM system. This enabled the persons caught and banned. I have been able to identify sexual predators who have come upon the forum and attempted to instigate fear into sexually traumatic persons. Again, myself being able to access private data allowed this.

What you do have to do though upon this forum, is trust that I have integrity, which I do. That means nobody else will have access to your private data, nor will I go seeking through data for the fun of it.

The private carer forum is another example. I as the owner had to set it up, however; I then removed myself from being able to see the forum which allows even Nicolette the ability to chat in private without me seeing. This is why the carer section has its own administrator. Whilst I could at any time give myself permission to look, I don't nor would as that would compromise my integrity and trust. If you don't trust me as the owner to ensure your privacy is maintained, again, your option is to immediately cease and leave the forum.

 

[anthony]

Oh, before you ask I will explain administrative editors. The heirachy of the forum goes like this:

• Me - Super Administrator (I have full access to everything)
• Kathy (ex- bec and veiled) Administrator (I have limited their access to specific tasks and information)
• Super Moderator (Can view basis information, limited capacity, can edit entire forum)
• Moderator - (Very basic access to edit one specific forum at an individual level)

That is the access requirements of this forum.

 

[grace5555]

Thank you, Nicolette, for the kind words. I am confused with the compliments from you and Anthony regarding my responses on this thread but am just trying to roll with it...I feel very scared with all this, confused, ill...but I am in a bad place myself and am guessing I am not going to be able to make sense of it all...I am sorry if I have added trouble to this issue for anyone...

 

[Nicolette]

Grace you have not caused any issues or trouble for anyone and it was great you voiced your thoughts. The compliments were for presenting your opinion and views while telling people your perspective. Also sharing where you are coming from (being ill at the moment) helps people interpret what you are saying correctly and that is good work!

 

[Deleted member 93]

Without making matters public, both bec and veiled know what they wanted to do with Linda because of anger vs. what decisions I ended up making, and now Linda is well in control of her anger for her own self, not for that of others.

Well, It was in concern of her coming out of moderation. No at the time she came out I did not think she was ready and why we always discussed it. You were very right and Linda floored me and did amazing even if you and I did not agree! She has done awesome work on herself and I told her just that in her success thread. I did not think she could pull out if her tail spin, and damn I have never been happier being wrong. I have no issue saying any of my editorial thoughts if you bring them up.

Just like you are not so fast to trust when burned I am not so quick to have people post if I fear they may hurt people on the forum. I have to admit I can be or was protective of members here. Again, I am so happy I was wrong as it proved Linda was doing an amazing job and some hard work. That is someone that a year ago I would have feared living in my State to now would love to meet so I could tell her face to face "great work".

Being wrong is good too ;)

 

[Nicolette]

Well done Veiled in having the humanity to see where you were wrong and grow from it :thumbs-up

 

[Deleted member 93]

To be perfectly honest, I had to step in within the moderator forum and cease both bec and veiled from moderating and banning members for simply challenging them, others or having an opinion here. Not so much veiled IMHO, more bec due to her anger or personal issues. As the owner I overruled them both and made a policy that no member would be banned or moderated (outside a direct spammer that is) without all in agreeance. The facts are, bec and veiled discussed members and editorial decisions off the forum, they colluded decisions, and you can see that in many issues around the forum where they began backing one another up, instead of speaking independently. Not my exact expression of enabling people to have their opinion, good or bad, in my eyes.

OK. This part I am lost on and completely disagree. I can think of ONE situation I tried like hell to get her to see your point albiet in private real time chat, and do not even see how my real time chat to forum chat makes a difference. And I tried to get you to see where she was coming from. You both were completely missing each other's points and do not even get you were talking about to separate issues as if they were one. If anything I am guilty of trying to make y'all see eye to eye. If I did these other things and do not want to make it public then PM me about it. As obviously this is news to me since you have never brought this up to me until now I quit.

Moderator forum is supposed to be off limits. It is based on running the forum orderly for the good of the forum. How we post in there with out or personal opinion is beyond me as we both know not a single editor has done so as we have all taken it personal people do not read policy over and over we have to edit. What you just stated about me is just as absolutely true about you too as far as getting mad, you have thrown your share of tizzies in it. If you want to mention any thing that may be viewed as a transgression on my part then it is only fair you include you have also.

I have mistakenly banned a single member with anger issues lashing out. We DO NOT ban without all consent since. We did it all as a team and voted. So how is my opinion a bad thing? This is not a bec thing. I do have a mind of my own. I do think for my self. I accept my own mistakes. If my choices are wrong or could be better I work it and discuss it. Have I not?

I feel like you just drug my name through the mud. And IMO and not so humble is BS. I did my damn best I could here for the good of the forum and so you did not have to do it all. I did my best and no one can ask more of me. I did this for over a year to the best I could. To say I did not make a mistake in 15 months editing, or expect me not to make a couple is plain silly. And I did not make more than a couple mistakes. I think my track record is pretty damn good considering we let policy slide where others it would not. I did my best and saying that above to me is what? A thanks?

Ugh. You did not have to cease me but once and say no biggie as you could undo my editing. Then we went to "voting" and discussing so not to go against your wishes. So how am I ceased when I did not act without your permission on big things?

That is very hurtful Anthony after the time I invested here to help you and others as a community.

 

[Deleted member 93]

Thank you Nic, I will admit my wrongs, but I won't take falls that are not mine to own.

 

[anthony]

Veiled, this is not about you, nor am I making it about you. Keep the thread on topic please. I am not dismissing you nor dragging you through the mud. You have done no wrong, nor have I stated such. I have simply used examples of some things that have occurred which I clearly also admitted fault too.

If you have something to add reference towards the topic, do so, otherwise quit continuing this please as it serves little purpose.

 

[Deleted member 93]

Anthony, I have not finished reading the thread, been a couple days for me to be here. I was simply responding to what you said where you said I did certain things. And it was hurtful. How I am not to respond to that?

Threads drift when responses with different points are made. You stated a few things I just responded. If you will take what you said about me to PM I will be more than happy to discuss that aspect there, but you pulled this up, not me. I just responded to what you posted as obviously I do not agree a bit.

 

[anthony]

Veiled, please feel free to take any point to PM that is not in direct relation to the thread topic. As stated in this thread, thread topics will now be monitored much harder to ensure topics remain on topic and not creep off topic as many seem to.