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I May Or May Not Be Engaged.

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Raven

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Some of you already know about Link Removed, my boyfriend--though that moniker makes it seem like he's a cartoon character. We met online in a video game back in late April, and after a week of talking to him, we were getting plane tickets so that I could visit him where he's stationed in Hawaii. We had a blast, obviously. Camping at Bellows. Camping on some random mountaintop behind a shady Air Force installation. Squatting in the Pearl Harbor barracks because he asked me to extend my stay and I had nowhere else to go if I did. Hawaii State Fair. (Funnel cake. Then I covered him in confectioner's sugar because I sent it through this huge fan I saw.) I have all sorts of fun stories from that trip, some of them more X-rated than others, if you guys want me to share them.

But he kept talking about marriage! He asked me if I would be willing to. I said maybe one day. We spoke briefly of it, and I expressed that I felt he was moving too quickly in that department. Then he kept talking about our future together, like he was seriously thinking about the long-term. And he bought one of those 25 cent rings from a machine in the mall, and he got down on one knee and proposed with it. In the middle of the mall. People stopped and took out their phones, so it may be on Youtube somewhere. It's an adorable gesture and I let him put it on my finger. It wouldn't fit on my ring finger so he put it on my middle finger. There's something really ironic about that, especially after he announced to everyone on the smoke deck tha night that we got engaged. And I got to flip a bunch of sailors off under the pretense of showing them my ring. He brings marriage up a lot, even since I went back home (we talk on the phone and/or Skype every day that he's not underway or on duty.) I asked him last night if he really intends to tie the square knot with me during his visit. He said that he does, either that or ask me in a serious, meaningful way.

Welcome to the military. We rush into ill-fated marriages.

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt when I was a much younger girl and had recently got to my duty station at Ft. Wainwright. I got swept off my feet. Deployment killed things. Big surprise. The butthead cheated on me while I was in Iraq. So I was a divorcee by the time I was 21. I hate that word. Being called a "divorcee" implies that I'm 45 years old, living in the 1920's, and I go to Europe every summer to f*ck younger men. In America, rushing into marriage--especially at a young age--only happens in the military. Civilian couples seem to just cohabitate for like ten years before even thinking about getting hitched. But many of us stumble into what I like to call the "military marriage trap". It happened to me. I witnessed it happen to many others, either mil-to-mil or mil-to-civilian. Sometimes it worked, often it didn't. Sometimes it happened because of punch drunk love, sometimes it didn't. We all had our reasons at the time. It's a bizarre thing.

Part of me wants to go through with it. Hey, why the hell shouldn't my twenties be punctuated by a series of short-lived marriages? I'd be like Elizabeth Taylor. Totally rock star. Let's just do something crazy, and if it works then awesome, and if it doesn't then whatever. It's just another wacky story in my insanely wacky life. The wiser part of me is, of course, hesitant and wants him to slam on the breaks with all this marriage talk.
 
Raven, I am 45 years old, I don't live in the 1920's and about the young men, I promise not to do it again.

On a serious note, having been married twice before, you won't know till you have a go. Marriage is not all it used to be. Equal rights, bra burning, and blokes being ignorant towards women's feelings screwed all that up. Don't worry, I love Margaret and our marriage was awesome. I think we go around in life making mistakes which are a learning curve, but we do end up with someone that we want to spend the rest of our lives with sooner or later.

Go with your gut feeling girl, don't trust the head or the heart, they lie.

Look forward to your book.
 
Oh, here's a good one. We went to Link Removed (those of you needing a vacation in Hawaii should look into that spot. A camping site was like $6 a day). Along the beach, we... erm... erected phallic structures. Instead of building sand castles, we built sand penises. Only one of them was vertical, but the other eight were horizontal. Then, two hours later, we checked on them to find that all of the dicks were destroyed.

"You'd think that on a military beach, they wouldn't be so offended by childish humor," I said, disappointed that our hard work was ruined.

"Some bitchharridan mil wife was probably like I have never seen such vulgar things in my life and then kicked them all down," he said.

And then we reconstructed the beach cocks.

We're respectively 25 and 27. We should not be so entertained by this sort of juvenile shit, but we are.

And that's why I love him.
 
Hi Raven, I'm so much younger than Jimmy, so I can relate more to your situation. I'm 44 and newly single.

I agree with you on the social inferences of the word "Divorce". Like you really f*cked it up and could never hope to be a normal person in society again. It's like the west's answer to the Islamic "virgin" at times. They even ask this shit on employment forms. What exact business is that of anybody???

As for sailor boy. I got experience down that road too. All I can say is.....Lonely sucks. You can get used to it when you are older. But it still sucks. The problem with lonely though is that sometimes people don't think too straight. They forget to check for the really important things or minimize the annoying ones.

The absolute eagerness to get married is also a bit disturbing. People have been living together, getting along, and even having children without it for thousands of years. A ring and a certificate are not an absolute barrier for a relationship. Unless of course this is presenting a barrier for sex.......which in that case I'm just going to retreat from the whole conversation.

Maybe he could calm down about marriage and focus on getting to know you more. You can save yourself a whole lot of heartbreak by knowing each other more before the big step.

Being brutally honest with yourself will see you through. Just like with PTSD.

Wagon
 
I can't really comment on whether or not you should marry this guy since every girlfriend I have had including the filipina one I am with now has wanted to get married and I am 30 now never married no kids and I have no plans on it ever at this point to be honest. I had to leave my last relationship because of the whole lets get married thing and the fact that she never shut up about wanting to have my baby. Not her fault at all really since we had been together for over four years, I am just a weirdo I guess. ANyway what I can comment on is how you two met, that is so bad ass to me you have no idea. I am a HARDCORE gamer and I just think its really cool that you two met that way. Don't know if that means its destiny or maybe just dumb luck that he found you on there, but yeah. So anyway, there that is.
 
Hey Raven

I know that times are different today but I would advise you to take your time. Understand that this is just my opinion. If he really cares about you he'll be willing to wait. You both really don't know much about each other as yet.

I've been married a very long time and at times it takes real work at times to keep and develop a relationship that's going to last. I personally don't think it's something one should rush into. Have fun together and develop your relationship. Most marriages fail because people don't have a real basis to their relations and just don't want to work on it.Or the first time some real problems come down the pike they just quit.

I'm a gamer as well and have made many friends online. Some I've know for many years but I've never met any of them, although there are some that I'd be more friends with if they lived closer. I think it's nice that you met someone that way but the marriage thing so quickly should send up a flag. I'm just saying, be careful. It takes time to develop real trust in another person and to know that they're going to be there for you no matter what.
 
He has this fantasy of me moving to Hawaii and living with him after I graduate college in December. Marriage would facilitate that. It's why so many marriages happen in the military. "Hey baby, marry me and we'll get to be together," seems to be the general theme among these guys. It happened a lot. Look, I stumbled into that trap too. I see where he's coming from.
 
Hey Raven

I actually saw similar situations when I went to Pendelton prior to deploying for 'Nam. But I can understand how quickly things go on in the military as everything in your life is full on. And there's the benefits side of that as well. What every you do I wish you well and great happiness. You've been through hell and deserve a bit of heaven in this life as well.
 
Raven,
My wife and I just hit the 13 year mark this week. We jumped in a little fast because of the military thing. I was stationed in Missouri and she lived in Texas. The military won't fund a girlfriend but they will fund a wife. It kinda forces our hand sometimes and is likely the cause of the over 50% failed marriage rate in the military. One of the keys is communication. Talk openly and often. Make sure you don't leave the beast out of the conversation. You both need to know what you are getting into. Marriage is hard. It's even harder with PTSD. If you find the right person though, it is all worth it.
 
Oh, he knows that a relationship with me is a threesome: Me, Him, and my Beast. It comes out and bites him more often than I'd like to admit. Even just last night he was complaining about his upcoming sea deployment, and how he'll be trapped in a metal box for six months. I then started on him about how he has no right to whine because it's not like he's going to the Sandbox or any war zone, for that matter. Then he just capitulated and said, "Yeah. You're right. I'm sorry."

He shouldn't be sorry though. That's the thing which gets me. The Beast hurts those who care about me, and those I care about, more than it hurts me.

Even with him, I alternate between loving him to death and just wanting him to get the f*ck out of my hair. It's like everything about him sends up a red flag, and I start coming up with reasons as to why it won't work out and casting the blame on him. Sometimes I call or text him just to argue about something. Why hasn't he gotten sick of my shit yet? I would have...

Apparently, he was talking about me with a close friend of his in his division. This friend has prior service in the Marines, and apparently a few deployments under his belt. I met him back in June. He said to Gary, "Run around with her for now because crazy chicks are great in bed but don't stick with someone like that. You'll eventually want a civvie girl." I was angry when Gary told me what his friend said, and I insisted that he stop talking about me to his shipmates. Then I got the friend's number. Threatened to cut his head off and take a shit down his esophagus if he ever spoke about me to anyone again. (LOL)

It probably served to reinforce his point about me, but at the time I enjoyed issuing a f*cked up death threat to someone who spoke ill of me.

But, still I find every little reason to think Gary's an asshole. I'm the asshole.
 
You're not an asshole, just someone with PTSD. You've got a primary assignment, get better. When you do more positive things will click into place. Doesn't mean you won't be issuing death threats, just maybe less.
 
Raven

You are in a tough situation. And it ain't an easy choice for sure. However, you said

"It's like everything about him sends up a red flag, and I start coming up with reasons as to why it won't work out and casting the blame on him."

Now, I don't know about blame, but the whole red flag thing could be something to pay attention to. There is a reason these flags pop up. I am sure you have great intuition...don't ignore it. That gut feeling and the little hairs on the back of your kneck are the two greatest trouble detectors we have. And, as JarHed said, if he really loves ya, he will be willing to wait. Food for thought...

On another note, what you said to Gary is priceless!
 
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