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I'm Not Ready To Give Up. Is He?

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Welcome Muumi. What you just described is very, very similar to the feelings I had/have for my ex and the things he's said to me. Reading your post I felt as though I was looking in the mirror. I'm glad for you that you found this forum, I found it helpful and comforting as well. I can very much relate to the emotions you must be feeling. I probably would not be where I am today if it wasn't for a forum like this.
At the same time it's wonderful to be in love and loved yet at the same time it is heart breaking sometimes having a relationship with a sufferer of PTSD. But I definitely believe in sacrifices for the ones you care about because it's worth it. The important thing for you to do is take care of yourself first and educate yourself about PTSD which you are obviously already doing. Well wishes to you and yours! Feel free to write back as much as you'd like.
 
It's so hard sometimes. When i first googled anything regarding dating a man with Combat PTSD -- NONE of it was good news. The military spouse websites SCARED ME. I vowed to never look at them again. Until lately I'm really searching for happy endings -- I haven't found any. Anyone? You can read my intro post to learn about whats happening in my life. I had the breakup and I was DEVASTATED. like to the point i couldn't breathe/move/think..the WORST thing i've ever experienced. He was in out patient therapy then and in a breakthrough with treatment - it really was like he had shut off. The man i met with to get my things was not him. A few days later he snapped out of it and said he needed me then more than ever. Since we've actually on'y been getting better. There are challenges - i have to learn to not take things personally. and today something literally blew my mind. I told him over the weekend i mirror his mood/reactions. Because if he's being silent and i'm just chatting away -- its annoying. (In my head i go 'oh hes not in the mood to talk" i'll shut up when really he's just listening) BUT - he said "I don't want you to be like me" He wants me to be myself. i learned that I am the level that keeps the relationship steady sometimes.

i found this quote today
"He doesn't want a mirror following him around reflecting his pain, frustration and misery. He wants a lovely woman to look at, one that beams up at him, smiling at the man who belongs to only her, telling him straight how good it is that he is there in her life and how no one else could replace him."
found on : http://ptsdasoldiersperspective.blogspot.com/

i hope some of my words relate to someone. I'm going to put that somewhere i see it everyday. Because its true -- i was just mimicking his moods -- i stopped being so excited all the time. We use to always point out that i'm like a squirrel so excited about everything and he's kinda like a patient dog, enjoying spectating and listening to the squirrels chatter.
 
ByYourSide,

I love the quote you found! I read your first post and I can definitely relate to the feelings of pain and confusion. That's great that J is getting treatment, I'm also sorry that you're going through this right now. But you have come to the right place, the men and women in this forum are wonderful, respectful and knowledgeable. I have found comfort here when there was no one else I knew who could understand. There are happy endings out there; a ton of bumps on the way though. But what great things aren't worth the fight? Relationships are hard enough with two mentally healthy people so a relationship with PTSD involved is all the more difficult. The most important thing that has helped me not lose all hope and 'drown in my sorrows' is believing in myself. Knowing that I can still lead the life I want even if the man I love will not be in it. Keeping myself healthy and happy comes first as I hope my love is doing as well. I think you brought up a good point about the 'mirror effect' partners have on each other too
 
Mockingbird, I think you are more on your way on your healing and moving-forward process then maybe you realize...you freely admit that you KNOW you can adopt that attitude, you believe in yourself! :-) That's tremendous! I also believe in you, and I know that many others here do too!
 
Mockingbird, I think you are more on your way on your healing and moving-forward process then maybe you realize...you freely admit that you KNOW you can adopt that attitude, you believe in yourself! :) That's tremendous! I also believe in you, and I know that many others here do too!
I believe in you too Mockingbird!
 
i found this quote today
"He doesn't want a mirror following him around reflecting his pain, frustration and misery. He wants a lovely woman to look at, one that beams up at him, smiling at the man who belongs to only her, telling him straight how good it is that he is there in her life and how no one else could replace him."
found on : http://ptsdasoldiersperspective.blogspot.com/

i hope some of my words relate to someone. I'm going to put that somewhere i see it everyday. Because its true -- i was just mimicking his moods -- i stopped being so excited all the time. We use to always point out that i'm like a squirrel so excited about everything and he's kinda like a patient dog, enjoying spectating and listening to the squirrels chatter.

Uh-oh. I think I did that too. I was walking on egg shells and always had to guage his mood to see how I should behave. Guess I should have been less of an emotional sponge. Hope I have a chance to do it better.

Red
 
This is just my opinion.

When I moved in with Margaret, she has a 17 year old girl who they are currently trying to diagnose. She can go from happy, almost extremely over happy one minute to severely agitated and angry the next. Then depressed. Yes, it sounds like bi-polar. She does not even remember the next day what she did.

This is also why PTSD can get mixed up with bi-polar too I believe.

I have always said this though, and my therapist agrees. We have no right to be angry at our partners and children if they have done nothing wrong. And even if they have done something wrong, the degree of anger does not usually match. For example. Forgetting to shut the door properly does not warrant a screaming match, a couple of holes punched in the wall etc, etc. I hope I am making sense here.

Its like when my daughter and ex wife used to have PMS. I told them they had no right to snap at the rest of the family because they were on edge and feeling angry.

What I am trying to say is don't change just because he is in a bad mood. Why should you walk on egg shells.
Yes, he may be ill, but why should you suffer. This is one thing he needs to learn. Its hard I know, but you need to tell him that too.

I know that when I used to be in a feral mood, I used to upset everyone else in the house and was not satisfied until I had done so. The kids used to hide when I was coming home from work. My ex wife used to say hello and try to be nice and do everything. It did not matter. All it took was a tiny thing and I would be off like a bucket of prawns in the hot sun.

Since I have been on medication and getting regular therapy, I have managed to deal with it, but every now and then I feel like going off. Just for the hell of it. Instead, now I vent on here.

So Red, when he is having a quiet moment, tell him that you should not have to suffer because he has no control over his own thoughts and emotions.

Just my opinion
 
Thank you all for sharing your stories. I can relate and it helps knowing others have been through similar situations. Alex, I am so happy that your ex is in treatment and contacted you. My fiancé is in treatment now in another state (I am also in northern ca). He told me last week that he was in treatment for our relationship, that he needs to fix
Himself so he can come back to me in ca. I am in school to become a counselor and have been educating myself on PTSD and what he's going through so that I can better support and understand him. I have been giving him space. I didn't hear from him for a week, then today he told me his counselor thinks we should take a break. I haven't seen him for 3months.. I have been supportive and encouraging and I do not understand what he is going to gain from a break. He said he doesn't know if we will get back together. This is the man I fell in I've with and have stuck by through the worst of times and am still willing to, it hurts that he wants a break and I don't know what changed in a week for him to say this now. I am so worried for him. I don't know if he wants this or just follows his counselors advice without questioning it and u don't know why she would want his main support system out of reach. I talked to his mom and found out he hasn't been honest with her about anything. She and I are very close and he asked her not to talk to me anymore.. I see now that he didn't want me to expose his lies. She's angry with him and going to have a talk w him (he has alot if stressorsin his life that I won't get into as this is already super long). I have always been upfront and honest and I texted him to let him know I had talked to his mom and he freaked out. He had told me that she was mad at me, which is what prompted my contacting her only to find out she wasn't mad, she loves me and is worried about me and her son. He said I went around his back and had no right to talk to his mom..he doesn't even know yet that she knows everything he's been hiding and already he says were completely done. In my heart I don't believe him. It hurts, but none of this is him.
I am happy he's in treatment and know I need to try and focus on my needs right now but it is so hard not knowing where we stand and what the future holds. I have supportive family and friends but am finding it hard to have a "normal " routine. This situation is harder than I could have imagined.
 
This is a long one..I'm sorry I have just been wanting to talk about this because I'm so heartbroken and worried for my love, the more I figure this out the better decisions I can make for my own health. I have been struggling this last week with the recent shock of boyfriend's PTSD and subsequence break up after the diagnosis. Over the ten months I had the blessing of getting to know and love a very intelligent and affectionate man who would always go out of his way just to make me happy. He has served 6 years as an EOD and deployed to Afghanistan twice, and recently Saudi this past Feb. I know that I will never really know the horrible things he experienced and the stress he is burdened with because of it. He had mentioned far and few between some horrible things he remembered but I never suspected he was quietly suffering because of the way he was with me loving, tender, level headed ect. When I think back now there were symptoms I had missed, the nightmares, body aches, high blood pressure and more regularly drinking by himself.
When I had a feeling something was not right it was about 5 days after a trip to the caribbean and everything seemed perfect to me. We both were in great moods and he made me feel like I was the only person who existed. I have always felt so lucky to be his girlfriend and vice versa. It was healthy until the distancing began. The day after we returned home ( we do not live together) he told me he had got sick and was vomiting for two days and exhausted. We relaxed the whole trip. So I assumed he had the flu and he said he didn't know. The next few days I did not hear from him so I would text and get short responses. When he didn't act like he wanted to see last weekend I knew he was distancing himself and I did not understand why because we had such a great time and him especially ! I emailed him a letter of concern and asking him what the heck was up! He responded and wrote he was going through a lot mentally and diagnosed with PTSD and suffering physical symptoms and was in no shape to be in a relationship and the last thing he wanted to do was hurt me and I so loving and amazing and deserved better. Then he wrote goodbye Alex.

I was was so confused why he would just say that in an email like he didn't really care about me at all when I know that he does.. or did. I responded with an email that was not angry but it may have made him feel guilty because I talked about the pain he just caused me. I have heard nothing from him. That is not like him to go from acting so in love and concerned for my happiness at all times to just check out like that.

I have read so much on PTSD to try and understand and I have a better grasp on how awful it really is. I have a letter I am apprehensive to send because I have yet to hear from him after I sent him our pictures from a beautiful trip hoping it would make him smile. In this letter to explain to him that I respected the space that he needs and accept the break up but I am still here for him because I care so much. And that I will never understand what he has experienced and the lasting effects he feel from it but I have educated myself on PTSD. I explained I will support him and not judge and I will be here when and if he is ready. Lastly I added that if he does really not want anymore communication in the future will he please let me know. Is that going to cause him too much stress? I just feel like I have no idea what to think but I'm still here waiting. I love this man more than anything and I am willing and prepared to take this on. I want to give him more time to send the letter because I really don't want to push him away. I'm worried because he lives alone and has lots of alcohol. I don't know if he's getting help. I doubt he has told anyone, he texted me he thought he could get better himself but he hates his weakness. I was surprised he said that and sad he didn't feel like he could talk to me about it. Does the AF make you get help after the diagnosis or is it up to him? For me, I have decided to talk to a counselor to deal with all these emotions that are consuming my thoughts. His actions and behaviors just don't make sense to me. Am I going about this the right way? Should I have any inkling of hope that he will communicate? Should I send that letter even though he has not contacted me?
Sorry again for the novel. Thanks to whoever will read it.

Hi,
I'm new to this site. I stumbled upon it while searchin' for information on PTSD, support, or at least
some advice. I came across your post and I felt as though I was readin' my own life. I don't know if you will receive this, but I hope and pray that you do.

My boyfriend and I met in February of 2010. He had been home from his first combat tour from Afghanistan for about eight months when we met. He was goin' through PTSD therapy/meds at the time. We didn't begin datin' right away... Once we did begin datin' in May, we really hit it off. He didn't offer any information about his diagnosis of PTSD - Just that it was difficult for him to process more than one thought at a time... We dated for about a year before he went on his second combat deployment to Afghanistan.

He left for Afghanistan last July, and returned several months ago in March. Durin' the deployment, we did VERY WELL. We kept in very close contact, and he was very excited about comin' home and resumin' our relationship... Toward the end of his deployment, he did express some worry (about us). He said that it wasn't that he was worried about his feelin's, he said that it takes him a while to readjust and was worried that I wouldn't be able to handle it. I assured him that if we just took each day as it comes and to communicate that we would be fine. And that seemed to assure him.

When he came home, we were SO HAPPY. Honestly, it was better than I had imagined it could be. The relationship was actually better/stronger than it was before he left on deployment. We talked about takin' a trip to Greece - to travel more. He told that while he was on deployment that he had time to think about his feelin's for me and how much he loved me. He said that he wanted to get married, and even talked about possibly havin' children... He began workin' on the fifth day back, he also took two college courses that took up three days a week, he drove from San Diego up to Long Beach every weekend to see his daughter, then make time for me and his friends durin' the week. He also decided to start workin' out and eatin' better. I felt that maybe he had bitten off a little too much, too soon, but he said that he could do it. So I was always supportin' him and encouragin' him when he felt overwhelmed or worried.

But after two months, I noticed a change. He never wanted to be without me (which I didn't mind at all), he stayed at my place for over two months because he didn't want to stay at his new place. He had nightmares. He said more and more that he felt "stressed over everything", he was paranoid around certain friends and co-workers. He thought that they were either tryin' to undermine him at work, "trick" him, or that they wanted to peg him as bein' "crazy". These are people that he's known for several years, who really care about him. When I'd ask if he felt all right, he would just say he was "fine, but stressed over everything," that he just needed a little rest or relaxation... Then (he was home for about three months) he had an anxiety attack at the grocery store - That's what really alarmed him. He decided to make an appointment with a doctor for the followin' week... Well, (because of his ex-wife) he rescheduled two more times. Durin' those three weeks, I noticed that he became increasingly agitated and short-fused, he became somewhat withdrawn, too.

The last weekend in June, we were havin' a heated discussion that escalated into an arguement. We gave it a few days and spoke again, but he was very reluctant to talk to me... We were talkin', and to me he seemed....just not himself. He was up & down, he would get riled up and yell, then he would slow down and be calm... He said he felt we should break up. I kept thinkin' "he doesn't love me". But when I'd ask him, he said that he was crazy in love with me, but felt that it was best to break up and that I should find someone who would treat me better. He said that he felt that he was a burden to me, and that I fixed everything, and that he wanted to be able to be "the rock, too" to be able to fix things on his own. He was all over the place. He kept talkin' about "the feelin'". He said several times, "The feelin' came. I thought it would go away. I thought it would get better, but it won't go away." When I'd ask him to tell me what "the feelin'" is, he just couldn't put it into words, he had no idea how to explain it. He was all over the place with his thoughts and his words. He said that he felt confused, then he'd ask, "Can you do this?" He wasn't makin' a lot of sense. He said that it would be best to break up. His last words to me were, "I'm supposed to see someone in a few days. Maybe they can figure out what's wrong with me, because I can't." ... I packed his things in a box (he stayed with me a lot, so there were a lot of his things at my house) to put out for him to pick up. before I sealed the box, I wrote a short letter - Basically expressin' that sometimes we do need to be still to be able to process and focus things around us, and that I would respect what he wanted (break up), that I would be there if he needed anything, and that I loved him.

It's been six weeks now and I haven't heard from him. He was very adament at the end about the break up. This has been incredibly difficult for me - This man is someone who said that he loved me and wanted to marry me, to spend his life with me... My inital reaction/feelin' was to keep remindin' him of what he means to me, to be there for him. But he seemed to feel so strongly about wantin' this breakup.
What did I do wrong? How did I fail at this? Any advice, insight, or just some support to let me now that I'm not the only one this is happenin' to would really be apppreciated.
 
Hi Spring,

Glad you found this site, I have found a lot of strength here and I'm sure you will too. In my opinion I don't feel that you did anything wrong. I'm sorry you are going through this but no matter how painful it is, it's not because of anything you have done. It is important that you not take this personally. He sounds like he onviously has strong feelings for you and know he loves you but he needs to get help and it sounds like he knows that which is a really good thing. Relationships are difficult for two healthy people, but if someone is struggling with PTSD it's merely impossible until they have a grasp on treatment. He does need time, and hopefully he's doing the steps necessary to help himself. I know it's devastating that he's choosing to end the relationship but he's taking the steps to de stress his life right now. I'm sure he is feeling just as terrible as you about it. Right now spring, you need to focus on taking care of yourself. Do the things that make you happy and surround yourself with positive, supportive friends and family. Educate yourself about PTSD there's some good info on theirs site about stress. It was a good thing you wrote in the note how you feel and that if he needed anything you'd be there. Now you just have to let him do what he needs do. You will get through this. I feel for you,I still remember the pain I felt but today I'm healed and look back on my past relationship with fond memories ( my ex and I never ended up back together) but I know that I want to work with veterans in mental health- that was the positive that came out of such a devastating situation. You obviously have a lot of love to give, so give some to yourself right now :) send your man positive vibe.
Stay strong! Keep in touch.*hugs*
Alex
 
er WTF? Am I missing something here. Since when are NON COMBAT PERSONS allowed to be posting here?

@:- SPRING. your new, so I will be polite! You don`t belong here. Main page says COMBAT PTSD VETS ONLY. go to our sister site www.ptsdforum.com and you will get help and support.

Stay here as a non combatant and you WILL piss some of us off. Please leave, and DO NOT POST AGAIN

@:- ALEX. you been on the site long enough to know that we are a COMBAT VETS ONLY site only and that Wives, Girlfriends and Careers are no longer permitted to be posting here.

YOU ARE BLATENTLY DISRESPECTING OUR SITE AND OUR RULES
 
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