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Is It Possible To Get Those Around You To Accept You Don't Want To Live?

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I guess i get confused why suicide, if suffering from a long term mental illness, is treated and seen as any different? is it because those around the person didn't know they would take their life, so its more of a shock? And so secret?

I've struggled with all of these questions myself. I think that unless people have really been there and thought that themselves, it's very hard for them to understand. The taboo nature of it just makes it even worse.

I have encountered more than one physician who really shamed me for having suicidal thoughts alone. It seemed like they just couldn't handle somebody really ending up in that place. If it was cancer or something else, they seem to have a different kind of compassion for the battle to live and not die.

I've also seen people struggle with accepting any kind of death in general.

I'm really glad you're talking about this and breaking through some of that habit. Struggling with a suicidal thoughts is and especially painful place to be.
 
Until you've tried every single therapy on the face of this planet, I don't think you can honestly say that your PTSD is "terminal". It may feel that way, but until you've tried everything, you'll never know. Do you really want to tell your loved ones that? Oh, there were other things that could possibly help me, but I rather just give up and die! Nobody will accept that. Nobody.
 
@NovemberStar I would give my right arm or anything else I could to give him relief, and I absolutely hate the pain he's in. But I also know he's been happy and had happy times. I know he's felt good. I just believe that it can happen for him again.

When he first told me he went someplace with his gun to actually do it, he apologized for ruining my day! I told him he can talk to me anytime, ANYTIME, if he feels that way, but if he does it, it would ruin my life. And it would. I'm sorry but if he does do something I will break down. I will not be able to cope. I don't mean to be selfish, I most certainly don't want him to suffer. But I know he's in therapy and I know he can come out of this in time. He's been through it before.

I know what you're asking, and yes, I've thought about the fact that it could happen. And I know there's no way I can emotionally prepare for it. I'm on pins and needles with worry. My BP is up because I don't know what's going to happen. I'm terrified.
 
When taking into account the whole population of all age groups, diabetes has more deaths than suicide. Young adults have a higher suicide rate. But that tells me something...that maybe you should hang on. I don't know how old you are. It doesn't really matter, because suicide can be completely prevented. When someone I know commits suicide, I understand, but I do NOT support. There is a huge difference.

@joeylittle said it perfectly. It's relief you want. Not death.

When I really wanted to end it all, I couldn't. Because I would not want anyone, ever, to PTSD. I wouldn't wish it on the worst person ever. Suicide can cause PTSD. I thought about that over and over. There was no way, no matter how bad it got, that I was going to be the cause of someone else's PTSD.
 
I too spent years as a child wanting to die. I cried every night praying to God to take me....thankfully I didn't have the awareness to do it myself...very, very painful years. Again, I understand the deep, deep feeling of wanting to die, aching to die, when I'm at my worst with my symptoms but I know where it stems from. It is not me, as the adult I am, it's the child.
 
@joeylittle yes, its on my mind a lot.. a lot more lately, as things have become hard with my therapist - nothing she did per se, its the nature of therapy; i was triggered very badly, and have had to reduce therapy down to once a fortnight (and i can only have email contact in-between). So the loss of support and feeling 'nurtured' has resulted in me feeling less connected to anyone (whereas before, i at least felt connected somewhat to my T). I have been prescribed a new med by my pdoc (who I saw on Thursday) - clonidine. I have to start with 2 a day, and don't think I'm meant to increase it for a couple of weeks as it can result in a drastic blood pressure drop. I have taken some PRN meds just now, to try to stop the thoughts and images in my head (intrusive memories of the time I'm really wanting to die, aged 9 or 10). Its very very hard to fight suicidal thoughts when the flashbacks and intrusive memories ARE of suicidal thoughts.

@Justmehere so true. I know of a woman with cancer that is advanced and she is doing everything she can to fight to survive. Life really doesn't seem fair - I would trade with her if I could. I 'should' feel guilty that here I am, with psychical health and I want to throw it all in … but I don't feel guilty - I just want relief. If only the flashbacks would stop; or at least, if they weren't the strongly suicidal ones, that would help!

@Solara - i doubt anyone could try every single therapy on the planet for PTSD - I know I'm dong anything and everything I can right now - there isn't anything else in front of me or around me I can do… therapy once a week (fortnight at the mount) and meds. And trying to 'live' a life I don't really want to right now. I don't live where you can plop yourself into a hospital or a treatment program because neither exist where I am. Being even highly suicidal doesn't get you a bed in a psych ward; you have to fend for yourself here.

@Glara @Nam _ I guess the difference in feeling that way or not, is due to the depths of pain one is in at that moment. When I have been in less pain and had some hope, suicide would be the LAST thing I'd ever do to another person either - but lately its all a bit tunnel visioned for me. Its hard to think of anything else, except the ongoing flashbacks and the feelings they stir up (i.e. being suicidal).
 
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@richter scale I thin its the same for me here too. I tied once to take my life as a child -0 I was in the bath and honestly thought if i just put my head under the water, i wont come up again and that will be the end. I was devastated when it didn't work. I had no idea how else to do it, other than close my eyes and wish for it to happen. It was like being in a nightmare and not being able to wake up. THAT is the overriding feeling I get lately.I also have periods of derealization, and dissociation, and so it's like nothing is real - the past is more real than the present, and its almost like if i did try to do anything to myself, it wouldn't really happen anyway … or if it did, i'd be more awake and with it than i am in this present 'reality'.

edited to add - I'm gong to go watch a video and go for a sleep. hopefully the meds will kick in soon.
 
I feel so very strongly that I don't wish to exist/live any more as well and I entirely relate to being killed by some external factor (like terminal illness or being hit by a bus etc). The simple fact is I would rather be dead than have to face or deal with any of my problems. I don't want to have to process any of my trauma, I don't want to even think about it but I either get plagued with flashbacks/nightmares or I have to go to therapy in the vain hope that it will go. Even if the memories did magically cease to be, I still don't want to have to live with being "me" - all those years of hatred directed at me has sunk in and I do believe it. Everything is too hard and I quite frankly don't give a shit about any of it - I don't want to be alive. If I was spiritual (or believed in an afterlife) I'd be terrified of anything that would follow life. I want to cease to exist in every possible form - the end of the line, no heaven or hell, no consciousness, no recycled life - nothing. And that nothingness is the only thing that I have any desire for.

I had believed that my mother would accept my suicide attempt last year and as such told her but she didn't and intervened. A year later I still feel the same way, I still feel disappointed that I didn't die then and I still feel slightly betrayed by her calling for help to "save" me. I now realise that I don't think I'll ever manage to get her or any of my family to understand. Nor do I think she realises the only reason I continue to suffer is for her and my siblings. If suicide is supposed to be selfish to those who survive - then what is expecting someone to live a life of pain and misery for your own benefit. No amount of political incorrectness changes how I feel - the fact is for me at least all the good in the world won't take away what has happened to me and I can't live with that. Which in itself is incredibly depressing.

I don't know if it's related but I also sometimes feel I wish that I didn't have the few loved ones I have left. That if I was entirely alone from them somehow I might feel better, though I'm not sure if that would mean I no longer feel that I had to survive for them. I also feel that having their acceptance of my inevitable death would also be a relief. Then a part of me cynical to any potential motives I might have wonders if I just want the attention from family/doctors etc, etc - though this thought actually makes me feel slightly sick so I'm pretty certain that my only desire is nullness. I don't have anything to say to convince you out of this state or anything else like that but I do entirely understand where you're coming from and I suppose in a sense I'm sorry that you have to experience this anti-life leeching you as well.
 
When I was way too young to remember, my parents wanted me dead. They just didn't want to be accountable, so they made half assed attempts at my being dead. They did kill my twin sister. I didn't know this until decades later. But I felt it somehow. It swallowed me whole for no apparent reason (I had no frame of reference for the feeling). It was the WORST feeling ever. It chased me. I can't describe the feeling. It wasn't so much flashbacks (because I don't have flashbacks about when I was so young) but instead a feeling that permeated every cell in my body. It was terrifying.

When I was in the hospital just before Christmas I wanted to die. I begged to just be taken. I have never been afraid of dying because I know how to so well. My parents taught me well how to die easily. *heavy sigh*. I guess for me it was my 'go to place' when I really saw no other way out. When did these flashbacks start about dying? Is it because of therapy? Could it be a trigger?

I get it, so no judgement or cajoling you out of feeling how you did tonight (I hope you are sleeping well). I just really have to ask you if there is something going on that needs to be eased up on (therapy?) that might be causing this. I know with me there was always a trigger that if I looked at it after 'those feelings' left, I could attribute it to being overly stressed in some way with a feeling of 'no way out'.

BTW @NovemberStar , I haven't seen you posting for a bit and smiled when I saw your icon on the Home Page. I am just sorry you are feeling this way - I know how horrible it feels when I get it. I have missed you, even though you probably have no clue who I am (;-) ) I didn't really answer your question, because I feel similarly too. I have no answer for you nor for me.
 
I'm wanting to know if its possible to prepare loved ones least it happen.

Guess it also goes back to the old time argument - those left behind after a suicide feel its selfish of the dead person to have taken they down life; buty isn't it just as selfish for those around th person to expect them to keep on living half dead, and suffering mentally, just so they can still have that person around? How would it be any different to when my father was dying of terminal cancer, if I had insisted he 'stay around' and not die? wasn't it better for him, to be free?

I'm not a sufferer, so I can't imagine how bleak life must seem. My grandfather committed suicide though, so I understand what it is like to have a loved one go through with it. I'm not judging anybody's feelings or choices, but rather offering my perspective as one left behind.

There would have been no way he could have convinced any of us that it was for the best. He was healthy physically, and still active. He was an alcoholic however, and although he had never been diagnosed with any kind of mental illness or emotional problems, I have no doubt he was going through some depression at the time he took his own life. Nothing was terminal though. Nothing was wrong that couldn't have benefitted from treatment. We loved him dearly and would have done anything we could have to help him. He may have felt alone, but he was not.

When your loved one commits suicide, you don't go through a normal grieving process. You still have all the sadness and grief you'd have with any other loss, but you are also angry. Just plain pissed off at the waste. Then you feel guilty that you couldn't help them or didn't stop it. That guilt never goes away. Logically we know that it was not any of our faults, but emotionally, it's a different story. There is also guilt because you are angry and think your loved one was selfish for doing what they did. They may have felt like they were dying, but they were not, so what good did it do to take their life on purpose? Nobody who is mentally stable is ever going to understand it. A lot of times when there is a natural death, it causes some tension in the family. Suicide causes that, but on steroids. My grandfather's suicide tore our family apart. There was a rift, and we had an aunt who decided that the rest of us didn't do enough to prevent it. She passed away without ever speaking to any of us, including her own mother, ever again. Her kids, my cousins, do not have contact with us either, because they grew up listening to their mother. If my grandfather knew the chain of events that his suicide caused, he would be rolling in his grave. He saw the suicide as an answer to HIS problems. He didn't consider the mess that would follow on its heels, or that he would destroy his family.

I have very happy memories of my grandfather. I was the oldest grandchild, and he doted on me. I cannot enjoy my happy memories though, because the thoughts of how he died always creep in.

I'm pretty doubtful that any loved one would ever be at peace with the idea of somebody committing suicide. Even in the case of extreme terminal illness, it may sound good in theory, but in practice it would be a whole different ball game.

Again, I'm not judging. I'm just offering a different perspective. I wish you peace and hope you are feeling better after you rest tonight.
 
Well, you brought up the terminal thing, and terminal means that its going to cause your death. PTSD doesn't cause your death. Make all the excuses you want for wanting to die. Nobody is going to support it, and I think this is a THINLY veiled way of you being able to argue about how you should kill yourself. Sorry, but I'm not buying it. Your mind is in a bad place and I don't believe for a second that this is truly an intellectual discussion about suicide. Get yourself help. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I don't like beating around the bush and speaking in code when everyone knows the truth.

Oh, and I can pretty much guarantee you that the two treatments that helped me the most haven't been tried by 95% of the people on this forum. When nothing else helped, I kept on pushing forward. Give up if you want, but don't think that you can get off free by "convincing" everyone that its best that you just die. It doesn't work like that. Not only will you end up hurting other people, but it will hurt them even more b/c its inevitable that one of them will not agree with your decision, and then they'll have to live with the fact that there was nothing they could do to help you even though they tried their best. You're trying to alleviate your guilt but it doesn't work like that. I honestly hope that guilt feeling stays with you because that is oftentimes the one thing that keeps people from following through.
 
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