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Manipulative Teen

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Raj

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Our teen holds anything positive over our heads. If He does a chore or buys gas for the car to get to work (HE does not drive) or takes the family out for a dinner, because He wants us to go with Him, then He and His girl friend are "in charge of the entire family"!. We no longer except any help of any kind from Him and make Him walk to work, except for bad weather days.. He offers to buy a snack we say no.

The girl lives cross country and they were planning on living together soon, yet the mother had no clue, while we were told she was helping to set it all up.

Son will be 18 soon, yet has two years of High school left and girl has on year of High school and a year to be 18.

He has been physically abusive, now it is mostly verbal. As in my wife is an A@#$@ and will face consequences for interfering with His moving into the single Mom's home!

Thoughts?
 
I noticed that you capitalize the first letter every time you address your son via the word 'Him'. I can't tell if you are being sarcastic about his own sense of self-importance in the family unit, or whether you actually think of him as being like a little King or 'little emperor'? I'm guessing it's the former.

Any person who threatens your WIFE with "consequences" if his plans are interefered with in any way is someone you may need to sit down with and have a good long discussion about what is appropriate behavior and what is completely battshit crazy behavior and which of the two are acceptable to YOU. If he is verbally and physically abusing your wife, then what is he doing to his own girlfriend? What does he threaten her with if she tries to ruin his plans?

His behavior is worrying to say the least. I don't know what I'd do if I were in your position, honestly. I think parents these days must go through so much with their kids. I'd hate to learn that the "fruit of my loins" is turning out to be a person who threatens your wife! I'm sure that is not how you envisioned your family dynamic to be when you had him.

I feel totally inexperienced to advise you here. I can only offer prayers that you find strength to deal with it in a way that will have maximum effectiveness getting through to your son. He does not sound like someone who yields easily to anyone.
 
I am not the biological Dad. That dead beat is exactly like this! He beats women to a pulp and manipulates those around him to get things, that has lead to many turns in jail.


I am very sad about the son my wife and I have raised together, yet wonder how much of this may be DNA? Our other two children boy and girl also teens (raised same way same amount of time) are nothing like this at all. They have normal teen defiance and boundary testing. We are all scared of this older teen, yet a dumb counselor told Him "he did not need rules", What?!

The other two get ground, don't like, but except, him verbal or physical threats zero exceptance.
 
I can only say that it needs addressed sooner than later. Because I am estranged from my husband, I had a daughter in a power struggle before this age. She is now 25 and in some ways worse. No responsibility and given everything. When you are up against an angry ex, it complicates, Sounds like you and wife are together, better have united front and take action before it gets worse.

I agree with Phillippa on every issue.
 
Phenioxrising,

He tells we need to know nothing about him when asking if he is o.k or if the girl is o.k. He also says over and over that rules are only if he gets arrested and otherwise stay out of his business. He balls up his fists a lot when threatening "consequences" and we ask what those "consequences" will be, then he says you are not going to like them with the veins popping out of his neck!
 
We have sat him down many times. Sadly he thinks his "Batshit" crazy behavior is perfectly normal. We have both been told that we are crazy for giving him any rules at all and we are not normal in his mind. He said just yesterday that once a kid is thirteen thy should be able to do everything they want without any rules or chores. He also says He enjoy hurting others and and being hurt and yet does not get why he can not play football. He broke a kids neck (it was a confirmed accident during play) NO REMORSE! He has gotten away with so much, even the public school would not call him out for bullying teachers! He is already good at inflicting non obvious injury. We have warned the girls mother..
 
No group therapy in our rural area. Local law says kind of like I see on T.V. until we can photo it you can't force more counseling?
 
Thats not good at all. Seems like he may need some meds to control his anger and some good counceling. Don't give him a choice it's for his own safty and others.
 
I am not the biological Dad. That dead beat is exactly like this! He beats women to a pulp and manipulates those around him to get things, that has lead to many turns in jail.

Oh gosh, I almost feel like saying 'my condolences' only nobody died. That's a heavy thing to sit with...to not even be this persons blood relative, but have basically inherited him with his wife when you got married. I was almost going to suggest you both discuss the possibility of sending him to be with his dad and they can be peas in a pod, or birds of a feather, or whatever...just not near you, or your wife...but that is pretty much just giving up right there and saying there is no hope. Maybe there isn't at this stage. It sounds like he has inherited his fathers abusive streak, and he feels completely entitled to flash it around and isn't scared of what you or his mother might throw at him.

That's scary stuff to have a kid have that much power over your household. I feel for you both. I feel for you that you have inherited this issue through no other action than falling love with his unfortunate mother, and I feel sad for your wife, who I'm sure blames herself in some way for how he turned out, even though it is scientifically probably provable that it's more just that he inherited the 'bad genes' and it had nothing to do with her. If he'd inherited her good genes, he might have turned out better, but these things tend to be dominant from memory?

I am very sad about the son my wife and I have raised together, yet wonder how much of this may be DNA?

I wish I could back it up scientifically right here, because I'm almost convinced that is where it stems from.I think that if you were to really look into it, you would learn lots about dominant genes and how abusive personality traits...if they are deeply ingrained in a persons mind, so it was actually a part of their personality, and not just some learned behavior that no one ever taught them not to act out. It might be too easy to then just sign it all off on a genetic rotten apple. I will say, that if he is 18 and these characteristics are only growing stronger in him, then there isn't much chance he will ever change unless HE starts to see that it is unacceptable, or that there are dire consequences for HIM if he does not start conforming to some basic pre-requisites for joining the human race.

Our other two children boy and girl also teens (raised same way same amount of time) are nothing like this at all. They have normal teen defiance and boundary testing. We are all scared of this older teen, yet a dumb counselor told Him "he did not need rules", What?!

It sounds more and more like genetic to me. When you and your wife are scared of your teenage son, then there is a huge problem there...which needs addressing. I know it is easier for me to say because I am not involved emotionally, or in any way really except for my level of engagement that I have chosen here on this forum right now...but if I were in your position I would be getting ready to play hard ball with this camper, because this is about control...all the way.

The other two get ground, don't like, but except, him verbal or physical threats zero exceptance.
I couldn't quite make this out, but I think you were saying that the other two children don't like the way he behaves, but accept that he is like this,but do not accept any of the behavior. What is essential is that you ALL refuse to pander to his demands anymore. He's a kid who has monster genes. Teach him what he will NOT get away with under your roof.
 
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