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Multiple Diagnosis Labeling With Ptsd

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Anthony,

Thanks for your response.

Over the years I have read up on every label they handed me. And to be honest, just when I thought I had all the answers, I would come across something else that struck some cord in me, maybe through discussing something on a board like this one, and the feeling I was often left with was, "Oh well back to the drawing board!"

Now of all the diagnoses I have read up on, I have to admit that I have never read up on PTSD in regards to myself. It came up during hubby's rehabilitation after being injured in a bombing in Northern Ireland but it wasn't made specific just something to be aware of. But of course we were in shock and dealing with so much at the time that it didn't quite register.

Talking about 'first round diagnosis', way back when I first sought help in my twenties, they said depression and that given my childhood and my dad's suicide it was understandable. That was it! Simply going on my past history they said depression. No examination, no questioners to fill out, no psych evaluation, just a little about where I had come from and BANG! Depression! I carried that one around for the next five years - on and off meds. And when that didn't help it was 'back to the drawing board' where I received a few other (scary at the time) diagnoses.

Thanks for your response you have given me lots to think about.
 
You must also take into account, mental health in the past has not been where it is today... so if you presented with PTSD 20 years ago, you where likely going to get a medication and told to walk it off or something... or some mild depression, go exercise and it will all be good, type approach. That was mental health 20+ years ago... and still today suffers in some areas.
 
That was definitely the case and I think that’s why I struggled so much for so long. I think I have finally got my life back on track and sometimes what I’m dealing with is the anger and the frustration of it all and perhaps the needless pain and upheaval it may have cause my family. I guess no one’s fault in the end, it was just the way things were back then.

Thanks again. I’m checking things out here and on the net with new eyes.
 
Another reason for multiple diagnoses is to be able to treat the patient. As far as I know, there isn't any medication for PTSD itself, but there are antidepressants, anixiolytics, etc. At one point, I was on 80 mgs of Celexa for depression and OCD. Even though it was mainly for depression, the psychiatrist had to specifiy OCD so my insurance would pay for it, as 80 mgs is higher than the usual dose for depression.

I don't think it's all about kickbacks, though in some cases that's definitely more true than what I said above.
 
Do you mean I may NOT be bi-polar? I ONLY have PTSD? What an eye opener! It's easier to deal with ONE diagnosis even if it's the pits!
 
Interesting conversation. However, what strikes me as sort of confusing is one hand saying that a person needs a professional to diagnose- that self diagnosis is dangerous and not advisable; and the other hand is saying that doctors like to pile up separate diagnoses for reasons of personal gain such as pharma kickbacks, steady insurance billing, etc. I couldn't agree more with the second hand. I think -at least nowadays- most docs are quacks who listen, document, treat, and prescribe selectively- because they paid for a degree and they can. If only I'd been born with a silver spoon *sarcasm*

Personally- I know me better than anyone on this planet. I practice discernment when it comes to what I'm thinking, feeling, behaving- and come to my own conclusions about what is truly wrong with me and what my diagnosis/es are from my mental illness to physical health issues. I've heard everything from schizo NOS to Borderline.......and run away fast when these labels are suggested in my case.

I've had the unique experience of gathering all of my own medical records for disability. I was naturally dismayed that my GP failed to share with me serious cardiac issues, elevated liver enzymes, and other critical test/imaging results. I've also seen complete fabrications and incorrect notes in my psyche charts. I tried to cut my RIGHT wrist....it took six stitches to close it up. However- the shrink put down that it was a slight scratch on my LEFT wrist. I'm pretty sure a slight scratch is quite different than slicing into one's veins with a razor blade. Not to mention I also tried to cut my right carotid with a dull pocket knife. WTF? Did she get her degree from a gumball machine? How is my next provider to get an accurate picture of my mental landscape if the first guy doesn't do his/her job properly? How can my doctor imply that my SI/SA is not in any way a serious issue?

As for schizo tendencies? I don't have audio/visual hallucinations. I have NOT been visited by aliens, nor do I think the government is spying on me. I don't talk to people who aren't there- except when in my creative, fantasy mode. But, still, I can separate reality from BRAD PITT! Seriously? In my case, I don't get how the doc came to the delusional aspect of the schizo spectrum.

Isn't it natural to be paranoid about getting hit by another driver if every time you climb into a car you get in an accident that's not your fault? This is totally allegorical.....but, still, I've had a lot of people in my life treat me like $hit, so, naturally I have a slight persecution complex. But, to say my thoughts contain delusional material implies to me that sharing the horrors I have experienced are not taken seriously or as fact- therefore I can't trust my shrink to believe me. Great way to provide validation......right?

My strengths? I have proper social skills and try to put myself in the other person's shoes and see things from their point of view. I try to be positive, cheerful. I don't interrupt; but, strangely enough, I am constantly interrupted by others. As for unconventional behavior or beliefs? What may be culturally acceptable for one person or gender may be unacceptable to another. We need only look to Sharia Law v. Democracy to drive home THAT point.

As for PTSD, I'm not sure that this is the worst end of the spectrum. I think PTSD may be somewhere along a continuum of Anxiety Disorder w/wo dysfunctional affect Fx. By no means does PTSD alone necessarily manifest the disordered identity and self-esteem aspects as someone with say.....DID or Borderline Personality Disorder. Let's take Anthony for example: He has PTSD, by his own account. However, from my perspective, he seems to have no issues with his self esteem or identity. In fact, unless he says otherwise, he seems brilliant and very self assured. This is why I'm of the belief that mentally healthy adults cannot develop CPTSD, Borderline, or DID. It is just not possible. Yet- the latter, definitely have an anxiety component.

The defining criteria that separate CPTSD from PTSD are identity disturbance and self esteem issues. This naturally puts CPTSD more severe than PTSD on the spectrum just by virtue of its complexity. A singe traumatic or even several traumatic incidents as an adult are NOT going to be as severe as a child of trauma.....period.

An example: A happily married, successfully careered, emotionally well adjusted fireman isn't going to suddenly develop CPTSD from seeing too many burned bodies and death. He may have severe PTSD, but not CPTSD. His healthy identity and self esteem are established at the developmental level and are not destroyed- so the elements that define CPTSD should not apply.

The same can't be said for someone like me. Or, trafficked children, children born into poverty/gangs/bullying environments/war zones. I was traumatized just by being born premature and enduring painful procedures. Then came interpersonal violence from toddler hood on and continued until I was 39 by various different people. This destroyed my identity, self esteem and the ability to individuate and understand where I end and others begin.

Because of my protracted history of being victimized- my identity and beliefs about myself and the world around me have been been damaged to the point that DID would be a natural fit. My most recent therapist intuitively and empathically suggested it was MY decision if this Dx was to be applied. This would be a competent therapist- in my opinion. This is a therapist that allows the patient to participate in their own treatment and is not on some sort of power trip or has an agenda related to personal compensation

In no way do I want to come across as not understanding or minimizing another's suffering. Suffering is subjective anyway. But, criteria is criteria.....and empirical data is indisputable. I simply can't see an emotionally healthy child growing into an adult with DID or CPTSD. The genetic predisposition may be there, but the early childhood environmental mediator isn't.
 
Labelling is starting to get better with more awareness that has occurred over the years through the development of PTSD and mental health in general. The point of this subject is more about PTSD and its comorbid disorders / associated / misdiagnosed disorders that are commonly known and even referenced within the DSM itself, for therapist to be cautious in combination with PTSD.
 
Anthony,

I have been a sick puppy for most of my life with PTSD (64 years). I have been on meds and off meds for decades. I am better able to cope with my symptoms with medications (SSRI, anti-psychotic, mood stabilizer, Lorazepam and a host of others for medical issues). I am too afraid to stop taking my meds because I usually end up hospitalized or thoroughly drugged. Do you still advise going off meds to heal myself? I'm confused (it doesn't take much to confuse me either).

This is just another sleepless night and I'm reading posts in the forum and wondering about stuff. I'd appreciate any feedback you have.
 
If 64 years of your life with PTSD says no, then that is your answer. The sooner you deal with trauma the better, but if your at the end of lifespan, then it doesn't make much sense to screw majorly with things. If you were 40 or 50 it would still be worth it, but at a guess you're close around 70, so no. Enjoy your years the best you can now, using whatever it takes, is my opinion.
 
Peejay, your profile says you're 64. I disagree that Anthony says you're at the end of your life span. You could live another 30 years plus!

With that in mind, I don't see why specialist trauma therapy couldn't help you, in the same way that it helps others. I don't think you should write yourself because of your age, and make do. If you are physically healthy, then becoming mentally healthy, could see the best years of your life ahead of you. Therapy with someone specialised in trauma over a year or two could make a huge impact on your life for the better.

If you can afford it you could even consider an intensive therapy program.

Either way, you could have many good years ahead of you. If I were you, I would do everything possible to make them the best years yet.
 
Thank you for posting this :) It is very enlightening.

I was diagnosed with a personality disorder (BPD) and PTSD. The BPD symptoms presented themselves before the trauma which is why I got that diagnosed as well. However, I receieved no therapy or mental health care until after the trauma occurred.

I was lucky and had a trauma therapist. I think one problem as well with mental health is finding the right therapist or medication that works for you.
 
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