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@Medic72 I still wear my wedding ring for I feel a measure of safety in doing so. Sure death parted us but I still consider myself married. My husband is one of a kind and no one can fill the void that he left so I have chosen to remain single the rest of my life. I was that spoiled by him.

Very proud of you today. How brave of you. Hugs.
 
Uggh. He had no chance. He had zero chance at surviving his attempt. The location of his injury was such that he took out his major organs and without those there is a zero chance of survivability or rescue.

What the hell do you go through in those moments? As you're dying, your brain is still active, it is still registering things. How f*cking painful was that? What the hell does it feel like to not even have lungs anymore? What does your brain think when it can't breathe? How long does it take to bleed out? How long did it take him to lose consciousness? He had to have known he was dying. He knew he intended to die, because he gave himself no chance of recovery or being saved.

Was everything just ripped to pieces or was it completely shredded and obliterated? Were the lungs still struggling to respire? Did they get pocked with shot holes and just fill with blood? Did the aorta get ripped open and sustain massive blood loss immediately? Was the nerve severed and everything just ceased to work anymore? What was it like for his brain to have stayed alive for however long it took him to die? Seconds, minutes?

I was so concerned i went on a forum to see how effective 4 Buck is at point blank range, whether there's concentration before spread and what would reduce the effectiveness of the pellet penetration. Apparently, 4 Buck has a tendency to stay inside and not penetrate fully, so initial penetration of the pellets slows their progress considerably. I'm only researching 4 Buck because this is what I heard the investigator say to my brother, all I could find in this house was 12 guage skeet target rounds....I don't even know what they're called.

I'm worried that he actually sat their dying for some time. One gun forum had a cop who said that 4 buck pellets are less effective after a primary penetration such as a screen door, regardless the person died as a result but the pellets were slowed considerably passing through the screening. Hubby was wearing a jacket and a shirt. Did he shoot through those layers and disrupt the penetrating ability of his pellets? Did they reach their targets or did they only give partial penetration and create a hole to slowly bleed out from?

There are pictures of pumpkins shot point blank by 4 Buck. The entry hole is smaller to what you'd cut from the top of a jack o lantern but far more jagged. A cop commented that 00 Buck at point blank, although exhibiting full penetration was not immediately lethal, the person stood for a few seconds before dropping and bleeding out - he was fully conscious about dying.

He had no chance of survival.

The rear window was open, was that to dissipate the pressure wave? There was no visible glass on the ground beside the car. Did the pressure of firing the weapon in a confined space blow out the window or did he put the window down so it wouldn't blow out? How did he shoot himself? They said there was a weapon in the seat beside him. Beside him where? In the driver's seat or in the backseat? I assume driver's seat because we got everything back from the floor of the car and the backseat and it was all clean. My brother said to my sister that the ditzy female investigator told them that the car was clean and they could go "pick it up and possibly get some money from reselling it." but when they went to see the car, they said it was in no way clean, "he must've bled out into the seat, it's a total mess in there!"

I would like to personally thank her for making them go through that - this was their brother in law, not some criminal stranger.

I know buckshot is more effective at medium distance, the guy I attended to once was at least 4 feet from his shotgun when he shot himself in the chest, I hate to say his rigging was pretty ingenious, but it was and quite effective because the initial spread of pellet penetration was quite large, and it exhibited full penetration, but despite that, again, I do not think it was immediately fatal because of the amount of blood soaked into the rug around him.

Husband spent a lot of time learning about hunting, ammunition, shot spreads, effectiveness of buckshot etc. because he wanted to hunt at some point eventually. I don't know how many times I'd snuggled next to him and then looked at the screen and started to hyperventilate because he was learning through videos about wilderness game preparation. Bloody flesh does not go over well with me.

I want to think he knew what he was doing. I want to believe that he died instantly. I want to think he did not suffer and have regrets and pleas for his life streak through his thoughts. I want to think that he was sorry the second he realized he was not going to survive. I want to think that he thought of me and how much I loved him and I want to believe that made him bravely face his end.

I want to believe I gave him comfort at his end. I loved him. I would never have wanted him to die alone doubting my love for him. I loved him. I still love him.
 
I would never have wanted him to die alone doubting my love for him.
I can't imagine that he doubted your love for him. It seems more likely that he somehow thought you were better off without him. He was wrong, of course.
I want to think he knew what he was doing.
He sounds like the kind of guy who would have known what he was doing. You probably know way more about what people experience when they're badly hurt than I do. My own experience has been when I'm injured bad enough to count, something kicks in and I don't notice the pain until later. Part ,of me wishes there was a way to know the answers to this stuff. Because I wonder the same things about a couple friends of mine. Part of me thinks maybe I don't need to know.

On the ring? My thought is you wear that ring as long as it feels right to you. If, someday, you feel like taking it off? You take it off and don't feel guilty about it. Your husband loved you. He doesn't sound like he was a selfish guy. He'd want you to be happy. He'd only be happy if you were in a relationship with someone who treated you as well as you deserve to be treated, nothing less. And, even though that probably doesn't seem like it's possible right now, it's not impossible. I really don't think it is.

Congratulations on the hike! I think I'd be sure to hang on to that hiking pole!
 
His partner from work misses him. He sent me a message again today asking how I was and remembering how my hubby's face would light up when he'd talk about our ventures out hiking or camping. He seems sad. They were on a hiatus from one another and they were supposed to go back to working together soon, but hubby didn't make it.

Hubby was under a lot of stress. I'd love to say that to his partner but I'd like to talk about it in person. I've extended an open invitation for him to come visit me or bring his family to picnic with me at the park at some point. He said he'd love to come to the park and he'd bring his fishing pole so he could fish with me. I am only assuming but his partner seems to harbor some guilt at hubby's death. I know when I told him in an earlier message that hubby was in a lot of pain, he said "he hid it well, because I had no clue he was that bad, he never said anything."

No one saw the pain meds because he took them before work and after work and only sometimes during his shift if it was an absolute necessity. Hubby swallowed down a lot of pain from injuries he was afraid to get tended too because he'd had issues with his superiors while on light duties from the road in the past. He would avoid going on light duty at all costs - even the pain. He was also afraid to have to deal with workers comp because of what happened to me, we couldn't handle another trumped up charge or accusation of faking. He tried to lose as little time away from work as he possibly could, so he swallowed down a lot of pain and he pushed himself to get through his shifts.

He smiled. He laughed. He never let anyone see him grimace or hear him complain. On those rare times when he did complain, he used to text me upset because, as is the case with fellow medics, we're the best at invalidating one another. Someone will always have a worse story or a worse injury or whatever and will completely invalidate your complaint of injury so you just learn to keep your mouth shut and not say anything to anyone. You swallow it down and you push through it.

Sleepless nights from pain. Limited ability to do the things we used to do because of the pain. Pain leading to increased stress which in turn increased the perception of the pain. Vicious cycle. He was moody, he was grumpy at times, the quality of the sleep he was getting fell, he was too sore to even work out - less working out leads to poorer moods and increased ease to irritation and moodiness.

He was arguing with his partners. He was angry with them a lot...this one especially. I know they'd had an argument before his partner left. They weren't getting along well and I'd warned hubby that his partner was exhibiting signs of stress, hoping hubby would ease off on him and the increased awareness of his own anger would in turn help him. They were both stressed. I brought the issue up with hubby one afternoon while he was sitting going on and on about his partner (different new partner). I tried to broach the topic in a roundabout way but I finally just came out and said, "Do you think that you could be under a lot of stress right now too?" I got my head bit off. He wasn't going to hear it. I felt like I was the cause of his stress...we'd been fighting with the stupid employer and workers comp for 2 years already, I knew that was taking a huge toll on him because it was taking chunks off of my soul. He hated watching me suffer so much.

But there was nothing wrong with him. Heaven forbid he give them ammunition to come after him too. Once they label you mentally ill, they treat you like it.

I know he and his partner didn't part on the best of terms. I know at points he wished he just had him back because scheduling kept him in a revolving door of partners and then finally put him with a new kid who husband swore was autistic, right down to an odd rocking behaviour when he was under stress. That was part of the huge HUGE concern that led to his death. He hated going to work because he had to work with that kid. I'd watched his coping ability plummet over the three months leading up to his death. I have text messages from him that said "If I die at work it's because of this guy, he doesn't know what he's doing and he's going to get me killed." Hubby even went so far as to send me a video of the guy so that I'd know who to blame if he died at work.

He didn't die at work....but I know who ultimately contributed to his death.

I know he'd complained about this new guy to his old partner. I wonder if that is why his old partner is still so troubled by hubby's suicide. I wonder if he thinks it was ultimately his fault. Honestly, they were both under considerable stress together and they would have killed each other, I'm sure of it - not literally but I'm sure it would have come to blows had they stayed together. The best thing for both of them was to take some time apart to sort out their own issues. It just so happened his old partner ended up with a reliable steady partner and hubby was playing the Russian roulette game of partners for at least three months. That does nothing to ease stress.

His old partner said he'd love to come to visit and go fishing with me. I would love that too because I haven't seen him since the funeral and even then, I didn't get to do more than just a quick hug. I want to personally make sure that he is okay. I want him to know that this was not his fault, he couldn't have ever seen anything or done anything, this was something that no one could have prevented, in order to prevent it, we all would have had to have been psychic.

I wish I'd been psychic. :(
 
So when someone dies by suicide, I know it's common for people to go through the "what did I miss.." stage but is it also common for each person who was even in some way peripherally associated to the person to ascribe a higher value to themselves in the life of the dead person than they actually held???

Tonight my sister said to me, "I know, I often wonder about the little things too, like was it because I didn't come around as often anymore? Or was it because I didn't stay longer over Christmas? Did I say something to set him off?"

Okay, so holy! Who was the one who lived with him??? And is it just me or does anyone else think that this line of thinking is very self centered and egotistical? First off, I hate to say it but hubby wasn't actually very fond of her, he cringed when she came to visit at times because she could be so phony tough and, well, she has this fake tough front that she puts up and has this tendency to put everyone else down acting like she knows more than she actually does; he found this annoying. He tolerated her because of me and I loved him for that. It's a stereotype but no man every really loves his in-laws, my husband was no exception.

She didn't stay long over Christmas!? He was working that week leading up to Christmas Day anyway, I don't think he minded. We had a goose dinner. Everything on the surface of what she saw was fine but he and I both knew what stress we were dealing with in the background!! It was not her issue, it was ours, we were entitled to a private life and she just doesn't seem to think that we had a life away from those times she came to visit us! Like, is that totally self centered or what?

I know people close to the suicide will go through self blame and things but in all honesty, I think she's ascribing a far higher value to herself than she actually held in his life. She was the sister-in-law who came to visit on occasion and he liked and tolerated at times but that was about it,

His mother is having dreams of him, well, more accurately, she is hearing the child she knew calling out for his mommy. Where was she when the adult I knew needed her? Why did she continue to push him away? Why did he describe her as "cold" with rarely any hugs or open expressions of love when he was a kid? Why did I have to pick up the pieces when he'd be emailing her over a few days and then suddenly she'd just stop answering him and he wouldn't hear for her again for months? He blamed himself for that and it hurt him, not only the little child that still lived inside him, it hurt the adult who so needed a loving caring mother to talk too.

So many times I excused both of his parents for the way he was treated as a child because I did not want him to start to develop some sort of pathology because he was dwelling on a past that did not interfere with his present, a past that despite it's shortcomings made him into the caring, loving, dedicated person he was. I always tried to point out to him that despite their failings as parents (in his eyes), he was a success as a person and I loved him because of who he became. I loved HIM. Their shortcomings as parents weren't his fault, if you don't know how to tie a shoe, you can't really teach that skill now can you? They didn't know how to be parents, they didn't know how to be caring or affectionate and yet, he was SO affectionate at times - and distant at others.

We didn't have kids because he was afraid to become his father. Then some years later it became that I was the one who decided we weren't going to have kids. It wasn't really, it was that every time I broached the topic with him he brought up his Dad and how horrible his relationship was with them, so each time I had to try to convince him that he was not his father, he was far greater the man than his father had ever been. He could never say yes or no to the question of whether he wanted to seriously start planning a family....by the time he decided I was already post trauma and could not even think about the P word, let alone consider raising a child.

I lived with this man for 20 years. I saw him daily. We were rarely apart. He hated being away from me. We were highly dependent upon one another. We did not have separate social lives, in fact, we were both somewhat socially anxious to begin with anyway. I did have a few friends from my time before him but he resented those connections that he was not a part of, so sadly I kept those connections more loosely after he came into my life. When I met him, his greatest friend was work. His whole social life was at work and his days off were spent watching movies or playing video games and only occasionally getting together with colleagues from work. He was already married to that job when I met him, so in a way, that job predated me as a "connection" in his life.

To take that lifelong "friend" away from him? That was tantamount to ripping his soul out. The thought of the possibility of him losing that job? Considering what we were already fighting against? Worst thing in the universe...so bad, it killed him.

And the possibility was still only a figment in his brain. Nothing had been revealed as accurate or true. Now lets couple that with those lifelong fears of feeling unloved - I was "being mean", PTSD agitated, anxious, frustrated and angry with him...."unloved" in those moments. This is not me blaming me, it's trying to put myself in his shoes because I know how depression can discolor our thinking patterns. He was "so very sad" that day and I didn't know how to FORCE him out of it and just get back the man I loved and could handle.

No one else saw this. No one else knows that we stopped having sex over a year ago because he could no longer function sexually. I saw it as a sign of stress and signaled an upcoming depression - we'd been through this before during his burnout phase. No one saw how the job was wearing on him and his pain was becoming intolerable. No one saw how he was becoming desperate to find another solution to prolong his career - he was considering switching to a less busy station, he was considering a supervisory position, he even suggested a move to teaching at the college (you know my hubby is stressed if he was giving that serious consideration because he hated presenting in front of people.) No one saw him constantly flipping from side to side each and every night or heard him sighing heavily in the middle of the night while he struggled against pain to sleep or was kept awake ruminating over things that had happened at work - an argument with a colleague, things his new partner had done that bothered him, calls. I saw all of that. I felt all of that. I lived all of that with him.

No one saw how deep the wounds were when I was mistreated yet again by workers comp and my employer. Not only was it hard for him to watch me suffer from the worst of the PTSD, it was hard for him to watch me being almost constantly abused by those people. No one saw him holding me for hours as I cried and screamed and there was absolutely nothing he could do or say to make it better for me. No one but me saw him lose sleep over it.

And yet, everyone thinks they have all the answers. They think it was somehow their fault and they try to school me on how I should be looking at his suicide.

It wasn't about them.

It was about us. It was about our recent trial filled life together. It was about his job. It was about a boy who never healed fully from the wounds he suffered as a child.

It wasn't their fault. It wasn't even his fault. It just was.

And it took the man I loved from me and I hurt every single day because of it. I wish it could have gone another way. I wish I could have saved him. I wish he'd never gotten that bad. I wish he was still here but these wishes can't come true. I will be without the man I promised in sickness and in health. I will live without my love for the rest of my days . I can't just be okay with that.
 
I hear you so clearly. Our lives are simialar and I also have a sister like yours and my husband and I had a very hard time tolerating her for so many years. She is finally getting help and is changing for the better now. i hope that your sister will do the same thing. She has to hit bottom first I believe.

I was talking to a friend on the phone yesterday and I shared how tormented I was about my husbands death and she explained to me that I was believing lies about myself so be careful when you entertain this yourself. I feel that after almost three years later that I finaly have closure and feel a great peace inside of myself and I was able to set my husband free and let of him and I now experience closure and am no long tormentd inside of me with the cruel lies I was believing about myself.\\

I now pray that in time you will also be able to find closure. A suicide is so complicated to cope and deal with I think because of all of the not having any answers to your why so I caution you to go easy on yourself with the self blame etc. There is hope that one day you will also experience this peace of mind and have the closure you seek. :hug:
 
When I'm out in the park I feel him close, like he is right beside me when I'm walking or sitting I feel he's near, it's not even really a feeling per se, more like a comforted sensation like I used to get when he was around me. He was never right beside me in that park, he was usually a short distance away listening to his podcasts or watching a movie on his ipod but I could sense that he was there with me. I still feel that when I'm in the park.

I don't think of him when I'm there. He only came to mind a few times when I caught myself looking back toward the picnic table to see him and I saw my sister sitting there reading. It was the sensation of his being there that actually caused me to turn around. I still get that thought, "It was all a dream, he's not dead!" and I'll look for him. He's never there.

When I'm home, he is never far from my thoughts. I look at the floor in front of the tv and I see him lying there and I remember lying with him on that night, rubbing his ribs and his chest and trying to love him better. I tried so hard to make it all better for him. It wasn't my pain to heal. I had no control over it.

I am currently tormented over whether or not to bury his ashes. I had made this big plan in my head to bury them on the anniversary of our first date in May, but as that day draws nearer I am dealing with some intense conflict inside of me. One thing I know for sure is that I no longer want to bury his ashes. I want him to stay here in the house with me. We were supposed to stay together, he belongs here in our house not in the ground in a place where, even if I wanted to visit him, I would have to take a two hour journey. I know "he" isn't there, it's just ashes but I feel like he is and I think this is all that matters now. I don't want him sitting in some grave waiting alone for me to die and then have to put someone through the macabre task of having to unearth his urn in order to place my ashes inside and affix my memory plate to it. It is a macabre thought. From a practical standpoint it makes more sense to keep the urn above ground and undisturbed until I have died and can be cleanly placed with him, neatly labelled and then we can both be deposited into the earth at the foot of my parents graves.

Of course, someone says, "But what if you remarry?" You know, in all honesty, I don't know if I will remarry. Perhaps I can have a relationship with someone again but to marry them? I'm not sure I will ever want that again, a commitment to one another has always been fine with me, two people dedicating their time together in companionship, that sounds just fine to me. If I ever love someone again, my ashes can always be split up as well, hubby's are.

I am afraid of disappointing people. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I'm the one who made this elaborate and romantic plan to place his ashes in the ground on the anniversary of our first date - well, as that date draws closer, I realize that I made that plan while I was still in the grips of that initial shock. I was making decisions and plans that I wasn't investing in, they were just things I was expected to say and do. Now? Now I have my head and my heart back with me and I do not want to let him go anywhere "alone". It's funny how we always assumed it would be me to die first. I never planned on his dying first. I feel like I made that plan to appease my and his families. I think I realize now that this isn't about them and their closure, he's gone, they had a funeral, it's about me and my closure. I'm not completely ready for it yet. I don't want to "put him away", far away where he will be alone and I won't be free to just sit with him and see him whenever I want. I want his ashes here with me.

I never thought I'd ever say that. I always judged those people who wanted to keep someone's ashes "hanging around" their home as "weird" and "unable to let go". Well, here I sit, unwilling to let go too soon. I'm not ready.

I'm so not ready.

I still haven't completely let go of this things in this house. I still haven't completely cleaned up his presence in this house. He is still here. His things are still waiting for him to come back. I'm not ready to accept that he is not coming back yet. I'm not. I'm being hit with it repeatedly time and time again, but comprehending that fact? It hasn't happened yet. In my heart and in my mind, he is still here, he is not gone and so he will not be "sent away" from this house where all of his things still are.

My family can't wait for the Big Yard Sale where I bring all of his things to get rid of. I've been asked when I'm planning to do it. My sister has told colleagues about the stuff he's collected over our time together and they're chomping at the bit wanting to come here to the house ahead of time to "get the good stuff" before I put it out for sale. It's like having my heart stomped on. These things were his. I loved him, each of these little annoying one of a hundred little doo dads he's got collecting dust in this house was once handled by his hands. He had a reason for them in his life at one moment in time. He felt something for those things. Yes, they are just things but right now they are still him and represent his quirky tastes, his obsessions, his wants and desires. I haven't set a date. I don't know if I will set a date this year at all. Summer is coming all too quickly. I feel pressure. I won't be ready.

I'm not ready to sell him to strangers for a few dollars. He means more to me than that.

I will do these things when I am ready. When it is my time to let go of him and his things. I need to know who I am alone first. I need to be able to be authentically me first before I can start to let go of the things that were him and us.

How is it that people can't understand that? This is about me now. My feelings are important.
 
I kept the ashes of my son and my husband and they are both in my bedroom. We never really made plans where we wanted the ashes to go and the one place we thought about is just too far away. I am not ready to let go of them yet.

I understand what you mean about taking your time to find out who you are because that takes time and you are so worth it. I could not imagine giving away his things right now for you. I do not like that you have people pushing you into having a yard sale. It is too soon and you may not ever want to do that so stand your ground and lay a boundary that says no to that.
 
In reference to your earlier post @Medic72 I don't believe he would have suffered. I've been hunting with my vet regularly for the last three years. Massive injuries like that appear to result in immediate shock and very quick death.

And as for the yard sale - I wouldn't have one. I'd want to keep every little last thing he ever touched. Don't let anyone pressure you into "cleaning up" until you are ready.

Hugs.
 
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