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Relationship New Here, Hi! Partner Gets Very Angry

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Hi everyone,
This is all pretty new to me and I'm so happy I came across this place. Reading through some of the threads of here has had me almost punching the air recognising the similarities in the situations people are in to how things are with me / us at the moment. Although I've been in a relationship with my ptsd sufferer for just over 3 years, I have only just discovered what the problem is a few weeks ago (he's never been in the armed services, his trauma was unrelated to that but not dissimilar - terrible event involving violence, guilt, etc). So I've been dealing with it sort of blindly until very recently, which has been unbelievably hard. I knew something terribly had happened to him (instinctively and from the odd thing he said, then clammed up again) but I didn't know how to link it with how he behaved before. Now it feels like I am starting to understand.

When my man is feeling okay, he's the sweetest, kindest, funniest, most sensitive smart loving person in the world. He's hugely creative and although 'quirky' (bit eccentric, but in a brilliant way!) he's very high functioning, has a good job, etc. Even when he is well, he can get extremely angry sometimes from nowhere (this has NEVER been directed at me though, verbally or otherwise) although this blows over very quickly. We have very few problems. We never argue, support each other, laugh like mad, love all the same things, etc... This, however, all falls apart when he has an episode, which is happening again at the moment.

In the past 3 years, I'd say he's had 3 very serious episodes and a dozen or so less serious ones (periods of a few days where he drops off the face of the planet, but comes through it pretty quickly). I suspect this latest one is a serious one. You just get a sense of it after a while. So far it's been a little over a week. It went from amazing to terrible almost overnight. For a couple of days I noticed him getting frustrated and tetchy with me (he's never usually like that) then quickly it went the way it always goes - no communication at all. No replies to my texts, not picking up the phone, etc. It used to drive me CRAZY when he did that, but of course I had no idea why, he used to just tell (afterwards) me he couldn't help it and would come back, but I thought he was being horribly selfish and cruel, and would tell him so. I feel so bad for that now. He's ended it completely 3 times. Not a spur of the moment argument or anything, a proper sit-down ending, where he's told me he doesn't want a relationship, needs to be alone, etc. All 3 times it's been following an episode that I have dealt badly with, given him a lot of grief / ultimatums, etc, I just didn't understand why he was hurting me so badly! I mean, it's only a text right? Well, that's how I saw it then. He's vanished or requested space many more times but not properly ended it. This time, I've sort of prepared myself as best as I can and I know now that he needs space and I have to give it uncomplainingly, because complaining (a) gets me nowhere at best (b) makes him feel guilty, which he can't deal with, and pushes him further away.

I would really like to ask you all how you deal with these absences, which reading here seems really common with this illness. You have no idea how much I wish I'd known this 3 years ago, that there was a clear and real reason for his behaviour. I can deal with him when he's ranting, or angry, or behaving oddly etc, but when he shuts me out I find it SO hard. I know I need to be focusing on myself and not putting my own life on hold, but how on earth do you shut off your feelings for someone for days or weeks (or even months) at a time? Especially when you know how much pain they are in. I can't stop the extreme feelings of fear (that he may hurt himself, or get much worse, or never come back to me) along with missing him so intensely. I wish I could handle it, but I have to admit it is ruining my own health. I need to know how to get a grip on the situation, how to let him go when he needs me to, and not suffer so greatly. For both of our sakes! I love this man, very much, and can't imagine not having him in my life. But it feels whenever he does this, my life is horrendous until he comes back, and I can't continue like this forever.

He doesn't receive any kind of medical help, therapy, etc. He doesn't always exclude everyone, sometimes it is definitely focused on me (as the closest person to him emotionally), is that pretty usual? He generally is able to go to work even when things are very bad, but I know when he is there he's not really communicating, he's just going through the motions. The few times I've been able to actually see him when he's been in the middle of one of these episodes has scared me to death. He looks so terrible. He doesn't shave, can't eat so he loses weight, can't sleep (nightmares) so looks exhausted and so vulnerable and sad. Instinctively I want to help, hold him, make him talk to me, just do... something. But I can't. That is probably the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with. It's like the man I love has gone, taken over by a cruel and heartless invader who won't leave him alone.

Anyway I'm sorry for the really long first post. I'm just pretty overjoyed to have found people who might understand! It's impossible talking to my friends, they all mean well but at the end of the day they're my friends and all they can see is how much this is hurting me, they do not understand why on earth I would stay and put up with this.

I wonder, how long do your guys (or girls) 'disappear' for, generally? With mine it seems to be anything from a few hours to several months (3 months was the longest so far, it was hell). Also, how to you learn to deal with it, to leave them to it? Do you ever get scared they might hurt themselves, and if so how do you deal with that? Do they vanish entirely (no communication at all, not even a reply to a text) like mine? Mine comes back and feels so horribly guilty that he's hurt me, is that common? And what is the best way for me to ensure he won't just panic and end the relationship again? This is the first severe episode I've dealt with since I knew what the problem was, and if he doesn't leave me it'll be a first. Is it best to TOTALLY vanish and give him space, or should I be in touch every now and then just to let him know I'm thinking of him and am there if he needs me? Or doesn't it matter (he's hinted that he's barely aware of my existence so it doesn't really matter what I do)?

Thanks so much for reading and again sorry it's so long!
 
I think it is important to think more about your "end game" here. If you keep going in this relationship what is your goal? Do you want marriage and children? If so, is this behavior something you can live with and don't mind exposing your children to?

Answers to those questions are really important here. You can't love this man enough to make it better. He has to get help to get better - if he doesn't then what you've seen is what you will get. The choice lies solely with him. Worrying about him is compassionate but it can also go beyond that to co-dependence. Be careful of that - it will do you no good to make yourself the yin illness to his yang illness.

Three years is a very long time and nobody would want to give up on that. I understand that and sympathize with you. I just think that the emotions of the moment are very overwhelming and can obscure the big picture of what you want for your future.
 
Read very carefully what you have just written. But read it with the eye of an outsider. There are so many red flags for you already. My God, everyone is worthy of love, your sufferer no less. When that bind threatens your own well being, it is time to step back and take stock of yourself and your needs. You state you feel "horrendous", he's not getting help, you keep letting him back after he practices behaviour that no one would tolerate given a non PTSD relationship. PTSD does not excuse bad behaviour.

I agree with I Can Do This. If you are feeling this way now, and he was never to get help, how would you feel living your life like this? The fact you have to numb yourself every time he ends it? I'm not saying get out, well, maybe I am saying consider it, but if he does come back, you have to be ready to calmly express what you need, make your boundaries, and then stick with them. Three months without a word? Do you know where he has been, and with whom? He could let you know just out of common courtesy that he needs space.

What you do while he is away is important. Keep on living. Do everything you would normally do if you had never met him. Go for a girls' weekend, if he shows up just before you leave, go anyway. Go to the show, visit with family. Make a life for yourself. With or without him, you will need that anyway. Love yourself. Just as he is worthy of love, so are you. Right now he is incapable of the kind of self love that will help him heal. You cannot substitute for that. But you can take care of yourself, for really, we have to matter to ourselves before we matter to anyone else.

My heart goes out to you, I have my own sufferer, so I understand. We have built in isolation because my job takes me away for weeks at a time. Very little communication, but there are extenuating circumstances at the moment. If those circumstances are not addressed during my next visit home, then I will have to rethink my relationship. No one can do all of the giving all of the time. And it seems you are doing that too.

Hang tough. I love the sufferers here because at least they have reached out, they are bumping along the road to healing, in spite of set backs and curve balls. I will always support anyone who is trying.
 
Thanks so much for taking the time to reply.

We're both a bit 'past it' to be thinking of having kids to be honest! As for building a home together, no, sadly I can't see that ever happening. He is obsessive about having his own space and needs constant time alone. I spent a long time dreaming that one day things would sort of click into place and he'd be okay and we'd live together, get married, etc. I admit, yes, I probably did think my love might be enough to save him. I know now that was completely unrealistic. I was very ignorant about the effects of ptsd. These past few days have been a bit of a rollercoater to be honest because whilst on one hand it makes me feel much more in control and more confident about dealing with it that I am more informed, and on the other hand the seriousness, and possible permanance of the situation, is also starting to sink in and also the depth of his struggles (which he hides well, well he just disappears basically so I can't see it). I fully understand why anyone would advise me to think seriously about the future. I'm sure I'd say the same thing if it was someone else.

The truth is, I realise now that I have to either find a way to get through these absent times or get out. I know I can't continue the way I have been - literally falling apart when it happens. I have my own issues, and abandonment features very highly. I've been thrown into real dark and horrible places by his sudden departures (and no, he doesn't ask for space, he doesn't talk about it at all, he finds it impossible, everything builds up and he gets to the point where he doesn't care about anything or anyone, particularly himself, he just has to lock himself away) and it seems no matter how many times he comes back, and I should know this by now, it still damages me and I know this has to stop. I think arming myself with a lot of knowledge is really helping. Knowing it's not my fault, there's nothing I can do, I just have to sit it out, etc (and yes, focus on myself and building a life without him). And, I've found if I leave him completely alone he comes back much faster anyway. I have also just restarted therapy sessions myself, hopefully that will help too. I am going to keep gently trying to persuade him to think about getting help for himself. It's hard though, because he can feel very pushed and this makes him stressed which can make things worse.

I stay because he's a beautiful, wonderful man who can't help this pain he's in. At the end of the day I know I could get up and walk away from this, he can't do that. He has told me many times, when he's been low, that he can't handle relationships and he can't give me what I need and I should go and find someone who can. I won't accept that. I know he loves me, and I know he doesn't want (or deserve) to be alone, he's just scared. My plan is to keep trying to make it work, but to get support for myself and try to be more realistic. I know things might never change. But I can't let myself abandon all hope, not yet.
 
You mentioned you have abandonment issues - so I'm really not surprised that you would end up with someone who keeps leaving you. If you can get him to stay, then it is like healing yourself of the parent that left. I'm really glad you are going back to therapy because your attraction to him and this situation is about you. I'm sure this man is wonderful - I don't doubt it - however, someone that is emotionally healthy and balanced would not volunteer to suffer in a relationship that doesn't really fulfill any of their wishes or future goals (marriage, children, trust, etc.).

You said he can't help the pain he is in - and that is not true. He is not to not to blame for what happened to him but help is available and he can seek out avenues to help him cope better and to heal. If he is not doing that then it isn't in your best interest to be with him. I'm sure he does love you - however, it would be better for you to give him something to aspire to rather than allow him to be a victim and be willing to be dragged along for the ride. If he wants you, require something of him like getting help regularly in order to be with you. Otherwise, you are are volunteering for more hurt and he is in charge of your relationship and the direction it takes.
 
Im really sorry you are going through this. I agree that it is helpful that you are going back to therapy. I have been through a lot of very horrible things in my own life and it took me years to love myself. But I think that a person cannot be with someone with ptsd if you have low self esteem or low self confidence. Because the relationship takes a lot and it takes a strong person to not take our sufferers behavior personally. I have a great self esteem now but at times like now when he has "volunteered" to go into training for a week with limited contact I still over think and over analyze him and the relationship and create unnecessary stress.

I have realized over the recent years of dealing with my bf that you really need to listen to what they say. If he is telling you that he is feeling pushed and he can't give you what you need then you need to hear it.

And I agree with nurse that you have to put yourself first. It took me a long time to get that. I wouldn't plan anything because he might come visit. Now I make plans and he can visit around my schedule. I still look at his calendar when im planning but i talk myself into going because I can keep putting my life on hold for maybes. My mental health is my priority. I was driving my self insane.

Good luck.
 
I stay because he's a beautiful, wonderful man who can't help this pain he's in.

He doesn't receive any kind of medical help, therapy, etc.

My plan is to keep trying to make it work

What is he doing to try to make it work (leaving aside apologies after the fact)?

You can't do the work for both of you. Hearing that you're going to therapy and he isn't, I'm afraid to me that sounds like you're at risk of taking too much responsibility for his condition and the relationship.

I am going to keep gently trying to persuade him to think about getting help for himself. It's hard though, because he can feel very pushed and this makes him stressed which can make things worse.

Do you mean that discussing it makes him feel pushed? What about your stress? He's not the only one in the relationship, and just because he has PTSD doesn't mean he can't find a way to deal with stress and get help - if he wants to.

I'm a sufferer, and I will sympathise with someone who says getting help is a real challenge but they're trying to do it. If someone takes the view that getting help is a real challenge so they won't, then I personally wouldn't be so sympathetic to difficult behaviour. I might decide to accept it, but I wouldn't see it as inevitable and something they can't help.

I agree with I Can Do This - there is something he can do about the pain he's in. If he chooses not to, and you accept that, then of course you're both entitled to those choices. I just want you to know that it is a choice on his part, and he could choose differently.
 
Welcome to the forum, Yourghost.

Firstly, I am glad that you are getting the support that you need through a therapist. I truly believe that we all need that, as supporters. It becomes even more important to place an emphasis on our own self-care however, if we have issues of our own.

I think your sufferer, really does need to seek treatment. I hate to say this, but I'm not sure as there is much of a way forward for him (or indeed, your relationship), if he doesn't go down this path. Obviously treatment can present it's own set of hurdles, but actively taking steps to help yourself is crucial all the same. How receptive do you think he would be, if you were to discuss the prospect of seeking a diagnosis and treatment?
 
Ghost, I stumbled upon your post and, honestly, I could have written it. My sufferer, or ex- not sure, has been isolating for 3 months now. We've been together almost 3 years. I get no warning, just stops contact. Usually just a couple days to a week or so. Once for 7 weeks, but that time he'd respond every once to awhile to let me know he was ok. This time nothing. But he does not or hasn't told me he wants me out of his life..

I saw him once during this episode and he looked awful, just like you described. I asked him out right if he did not want me in his life anymore. He would only say he was having a rough time and had been busy. I don't know if he is gone for good this time or not and just don't know what to do.

Have you figured out a way to deal with it all? Need help, I'm trying to leave him alone, but its hard. I've only texted him 2 times in the last month. I feel he's gone one minute and the next I think he's just in pain. Any advise would help.
 
Hi there,

First off, thanks so much for all the replies.

Bewitched - I feel for you. 3 months is a long time. It's basically an 'it's over' amount of time, but without any closure. I know just how you feel.

If yours is anything like mine (of course, everyone is different), he probably just won't care about you at the moment. That might sound harsh but I think of it like this - imagine when YOU are at your very most stressed and suffering, like in the first few days when he disappears. You know how you can't think of, or concentrate on, anything except him? The anxiety is literally all you can feel, you don't want to see friends or enjoy yourself in any way. That is just what severe anxiety does, it clouds everything else to the point of obscurity. I love my friends, but when I'm intensely anxious and focused on him, I'm just not bothered about seeing them. It doesn't mean I've stopped caring, just that at that moment I don't have room in my head or heart for anything else. Well, that's how try to think of his feelings during an episode. I'm sure there are differences but it's the closest I can get to understanding the situation. He hasn't really stopped caring about me, it's just that the trauma has taken over everything. Underneath, his love is still there. But he's so busy dealing with this other thing that it's sort of been sidelined. When he calms down and comes out of the episode, he'll be able to feel again.

I think I was saying in another thread that I find it helps to write things down. I've made a load of lists of stuff to help me cope when he disappears. Little reminders that he ALWAYS comes back (or at least he has so far), how the first week is the hardest, things I can do to cope, etc etc. One of my main problems is that we are so close usually, I rarely spend time with anyone else. So, when he vanishes I feel very alone. He also tends to disappear at the worst possible times (for me). I've learned to understand that this is because he finds it very difficult to be emotionally supportive, especially when he's stressed himself. He just freaks out and runs away. It's awful, but it's slowly dawned on me that I just cannot rely on him for emotional support. He DOES try. Very hard. He just can't do it.

I'm lucky I guess in a way, because I still see mine every week when he's isolating. We are involved in something else (sort of a business thing) that means we have to see each other regularly. At these times, he acts like a stranger and communicates as little as possible, no physical contact, etc, which can be upsetting but at least I'm not constantly terrified something has happened to him (been there, it was horrible).

Are you both on Facebook? I find that very helpful too, we both use it quite a lot. Even during his worst times he'll 'like' the odd thing or maybe post a picture that will come up on my newsfeed and I'll see it and know he's safe. Maybe, if he comes back to you, that could be something to consider? He has to have a way of letting you know he's ok. If he's anything like mine he will NOT see why that is necessary. You will be irritating to him and he'll want to be away from you and will desperately want you to be getting on with life and not obsessing over him. Of course, that's easier said than done. HE has to realise that YOUR feelings are also important. Whilst you can agree to be understanding and give him the space he needs when he needs it, he must agree to honour your feelings and not drive you totally nuts. He may not feel like texting (mine never does, he just can't think of anything to say). He could maybe just text you a photograph or a code word or something rather than actual words. Mine once sent me a photo of a potato! Just anything.

It's been 3 years for us too and I do find it a lot easier than I used to, although it's still very hard (mine isolates A LOT). When I posted this post originally it was (I was right) at the beginning of a long absence - about 5 weeks I think it was. I knew it would be long, I've got quite a good sense for it now. I think, in order to get through it, you need - faith (that he will come back. Hasn't he always?), strength (I never knew I had so much) and, even though it's hard, you really have to force yourself to get on with things. My therapist put it really well when she said - you have to KNOW you can be happy with him or without him. Relationships can enrich our lives, but that's what they are for, they're not in place of us having our own lives. If you feel you are relying on him to make you happy, you are going to get seriously hurt. My advice would be to focus on you and your life. If he comes back - great. If not, you will be okay. It helps to try and keep that little "I have to be happy with or without him" in mind, and question yourself sometimes to make sure you havent slipped over the line. If you do, it's time to take some space for yourself and pull it all back together.

Oh, and don't feel bad about texting him. Don't go mad but a nice light-hearted text every few days is fine, lets him know you're thinking about him. Just don't expect a reply. I think so anyway. Hope you hear from him soon, I know how horrible it is. I'm seeing mine tonight (business) and kind of dreading it as I really don't know where he is at the moment, emotionally.
 
how on earth do you shut off your feelings for someone for days or weeks (or even months) at a time? Especially when you know how much pain they are in.

We can't either. It still sucks horribly. You just get used to it over time.

My sufferer and I have an agreement that he has to text me every so often to let me know he isn't hurt, maimed or dead while isolating, and I in turn know not to even respond to those texts. Those are our boundaries for each other. After his first disappearing act I couldn't take it. I was not willing to worry myself sick like that, so we had to come to some kind of agreement. If he wants to be in a relationship with me, he cannot just disappear on me for days with no word. If I want to be in a relationship with him, I have to respect his need for space when he needs to be alone. Sometimes a calm rational talk can go a long way.
 
Ghost - Thank you for your feedback. He does not do facebook and I have no way to make sure he is ok. I saw it coming, just never thought it would be this long. I know I need to move on, but it is really hard. I'm working on it though. Thank you, I wish you the best.

Sweetpea, we had a similar talk when he did this the first time for 7 weeks, but would text every once in awhile to let me know he was ok. At the time, he said he would try, but that sometimes he got so dark that working, eating, and sleeping took all of his energy and that he could not promise. At the time, PTSD was so new to me and I stupidly thought that if Ihe could manage it that time, he would manage it to some degree the next time. I thought maybe not as often, but he would manage it. I feel stupid now for not to push him to talk about it more once he was better.

I'm starting to realize now, that even with my very real abandonment issues, I had gotten to a place where I honestly never thought he would just walk away. I knew that the odds were not in our favor for a forever. I have a lot of issues believing someone can really care about me. Ever since the man I expected to marry cheated on me with my best friend since I was 6, I do not trust a man to love me or be able to be faithful. I find it difficult to trust people in general. But I trusted my sufferer more than I have anyone else in almost 15 years. And, amazingly, I deeply believed he would not cheat or betray me.

Now I second guess all of our time together. Maybe he did just find someone else. Maybe he just got tired of me and figured i was not worth the time or drama to dump. But, most days, in my heart, I do not believe that. I feel like he is sabotaging us. The closer we got, the more often he would pull away. But he always came back. But, maybe I made things to hard for him. Not intentionally, but the whole relationship thing was a stressor for him.

However, I still feel thrown away and irrelevant.

Eventually I will move on. Sorry I rambled on a bit.
 
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