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Partner As A Cause Of Ptsd

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Back to the original post-Howard, I am not sure what your wife is experiencing but from everything you have said, I am unable to see the correlation between your actions and her ptsd. Is it possible that she has had ptsd and the recent accumulation of stressors are making her symptoms worse?

Will she go to couples counseling with you? The stresses that you have described would certainly put a strain on an otherwise good relationship and communication can easily break down. It is difficult to help someone when they push you away. I would want to go to counseling with her so that I could understand what it is she is experiencing and what she needs so that I would know how best to help.
 
Actually it does matter what the stressor is. We don't get to define mental health diagnosis and make shit up to suit ourselves... that is the problem that psychologists in the US are already doing, thus watering down diagnoses and have created so many problems the APA have taken such radical steps with wording clarity in the DSM V due to this.

There are other diagnoses that fit normal life anxieties and so forth for job loss, relationship breakups, natural death of a loved one, etc. All of which are not PTSD.

Sorry Tabula, but you need to stop trying to fit everything and anything that creates a little stress into the scope of PTSD, because that is not how mental health diagnosis works.

That is like saying you have a really bad week, so you beat up your partner, smashup your house and fight with the police when they come and arrest you, so you should be diagnosed with schizophrenia.

You are literally trying to fit stressors within the scope of a diagnosis, which is completely incorrect and unethical in every means of mental health. This is how people who have a relationship breakup come to somewhere like here telling us they've just been diagnosed with PTSD because they feel bad due to a relationship breakup, none of which contained any actual trauma, they just hurt as a result.

If it doesn't fit within the diagnostic scope of a mental disorder, then it doesn't get forced or shoved to suit oneself.

The above does not fit the scope of PTSD, ethically, logically or legally. There are other disorders the above attributes correctly fit.
 
Anthony thanks for speaking the truth. I question my own diagnosis of ptsd, or at least the origin of it. It was suggested to me 20 yrs ago when I had delayed symptoms from domestic violence. A diagnosis was never confirmed. Then I went 15 or more years without struggles or symptoms. -other than fibromyalgia which many think is related. I had an accident that could have killed me. I awoke from unconscousness with a flashback from childhood. (flashback being a feeling of being in trouble with my mother for having an accident, panic to get home, extreme fear of being in trouble as if I had done something wrong, apologizing for falling on the wet floor )

Following it I thought I was going to die. I had a severe sense of foreshortened future. Over time, my personality changes (from tbi) brought about situations that were traumatic as well, or could fit criteria. Im just not sure that it began in childhood. I discussed it some with therapist but insurance out until first of year, and will pursue more. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
Childhood has nothing to do with PTSD... you have endured trauma, however; the most important aspect is "I thought I was going to die." That is what determines whether or not you are suitable for PTSD, combined with the type of trauma.

Only a psychiatric assessment could confirm or deny whether you have PTSD or not.
 
What I forget to include is that my therapist told me that I have ptsd from childhood, based on neglect, verbal abuse, some physical by todays standards. I question that because while I dont think I came through unscaved, Im not sure I got ptsd during childhood.
 
Howards... my husband deals with my reduced ability to handle stress, and anxiety... but he did not cause my PTSD. It is not easy for him. He has triggered me during times of disagreement and even arguments ... but my PTSD preceeded my relationship with him. Perhaps you mean to say, that you feel your actions contributed to stress and anxiety?

It is hard for my husband (who made some nearly catastrophic financial mistakes) to partner me knowing that what is causing me stress overload he is responsible for. But what he is doing, is trying to rectify it by making extraordinary efforts to be open, honest, and fiscally (sp?) responsible... and by demonstrating as he can that he understands and loves me.

It sounds like you're doing that too, by reevaluating your work and making lifestyle changes. But know that what you're describing are stressors, not (as others have shared) life threatening situations. Couples counseling can be beneficial. It has helped us alot.
 
What I forget to include is that my therapist told me that I have ptsd from childhood, based on neglect, verbal abuse, some physical by todays standards.
That's exactly the problem... therapists don't have the training or expertise to make such statements, especially if the person doesn't feel like something was traumatic within their past. That is a therapist inflicting their personal views and/or beliefs onto the client, which is so far wrong its just not funny.

Growing up as kids seen different rules. We still had the cane across the hand or arse when I was at primary school. It didn't cause me PTSD... I knew what the punishment was, I accepted it... mum or dad would smack us across the arse, or get the belt across the backside. That was "normal" to get when you did something really naughty as a kid in Australia.

A therapist cannot inflict what politically correct nonsense has evolved to todays standards, then use that as a gauge and shift it backwards on a client to their childhood... when childhood normalcy was different. The key word is, normalcy.

You don't become an adult and suddenly think, "wow, all that stuff that was normal in childhood was abusive." That is not how the brain works. Instead you hear adults say, because they accepted normalcy, to current generation things such as, "back in my day, you would have had your arse kicked for that." Such statements we are all familiar with, and every generation will continue to repeat, as generations are different in how discipline is handled.

Australia went all PC on smacking kids. Now, social pressures are actually reverting back to being acceptable to lightly smack a child across the backside when they play-up, because kids are getting out of control due to no discipline or repercussions for their actions. Society is shifting backwards... yet we now have a generation of a decade plus that were anti-smacking kids, so they didn't get disciplined as much as the next generation will, due to reverting socially as what is normal.

PTSD is very specifically stated as existing for "abnormal" life events, not any event expected or deemed normal by societies views. Emotions, observations and personal beliefs and/or values have nothing to do with diagnostic medicine. This is the problem, as psychologists have no diagnostic training, so they use empathy and compassion to diagnose. That is valid for therapy, but not diagnosis.

Hence how it comes back to, only psychiatrists actually have the qualification, training and experience to accurately diagnose mental health. Anything from lesser qualification is not accurate, and you could be telling yourself you have PTSD when you don't.
 
Anthony thanks for your response. Oh how the generations have changed and kids are so out of control.

I don't think my T is basing it on any physical punishment. Oh I was slapped across the face a few times, and grabbed by the hair , etc. Nothing I found traumatizing. My mother was an alcoholic (did not start til I was 4 or 5) and raged at times, I witnessed a lot of fights between her and my older sisters. I was afraid sometimes. She had my sisters hauled off to jail or detention centers. She went through depressions and would not wake up to get me off to school from a young age. I woke up middle of night once at age 4 or 5 and there was nobody in the house, she had gone out drinking. I was left in scarey situations many times after, and exposed to inappropriate sexual behavior. She would get drunk and keep me awake all night raging about her ex husband, or on a couple of occassions, that there was a rapist on the loose and our doors did not lock. (from news reports. ) or something equally frightening.She was unpredictable. Finally at age 11, I was taken from her custody. She did scare the heck out of me at times.

I can certainly correlate some things in my life to early childhood.(low self esteem, some anxiety, depression, dysfunction, etc-behavioral things.) The first time I thought I would cease to exist was a domestic violence incident in my twenties.

I can not say it is this way all over the US but those in other states have told me the same, the psychiatrist only spends 10 minutes with patients and never asks about childhood, past abuse or traumas, past relationship, substance use, anything. It is pathetic- the same questions, how are you feeling, are you working, how is your relationship with your husband, how is your relationship with your children, tell me how you spend the day, how is your appetite, how is your sleep, is there anything that is bothering you, how is your medication working, I will see you in 4 weeks and here is a refill.

It is the most pathetic system I have ever seen. Once you are assigned to a psychiatrist, you can not see a different one even if you are willing to pay cash. It is not allowed, but that is same with gastroenterologist, neurologist, etc. There are 4 psychiatrists in our area and only one speaks clear English. I did not really believe how bad it was until I experienced it first hand.

To become licensed in SW or Counseling, you have taken at least 2 or 3 , 3 credit courses in diagnosing , 900 hr internship, and completed 3000 hrs of counseling(including diagnosing) under supervision where your diagnosis is challenged regularly. During that time, you must present cases to other staff including a psychiatrist that critiques. Even with that-my T has been practicing 20 or more years so she is experienced. I think it is me, I am very honest and try to provide an accurate account without minimizing or exaggerating, but this has made me question.

DSM has a decision tree beginning on page 745 that assists with differential diagnosis. Yet even knowing that book front to back, I have learned additional things here on the forum that are correct and I would have otherwise not have known until a specific reason came about. There is a good reason we cannot diagnose ourselves.
 
Right. I got the belt by my dad for doing wrong and I understood the punisment. Not abuse.

On the other hand, I was beaten, punched, knocked unconscious by my mother for looking at her wrong, then not looking at her, and for looking at her. I was given enemas, and slapped, and tortured for a variety of things - none of which made sense. I was put outside in the cold without enough clothes on.

When my mother found out my brother was raping me on a routine basis, she beat me for it. Everything I did after that that she thought was wrong was titled "because you are a slut/whore..." Abuse.

Then the other stuff happened. Abuse.

But it wasn't until I went to a psychiatrist who could understand it all that I got a diagnosis of PTSD - before that I was diganosed with depression, BPD, GAD, SAD, possible bipolar II...but I never got better or any help till I started working with a pyschiatrist who specializes in PTSD.
 
On the other hand, I was beaten, punched, knocked unconscious by my mother for looking at her wrong, then not looking at her, and for looking at her. I was given enemas, and slapped, and tortured for a variety of things - none of which made sense. I was put outside in the cold without enough clothes on. When my mother found out my brother was raping me on a routine basis, she beat me for it. Everything I did after that that she thought was wrong was titled "because you are a slut/whore..." Abuse. Then the other stuff happened. Abuse.
Yer... none of that is even close to fitting in the realms of "normalcy"...

Some people seriously just shouldn't be allowed to have children.

You need a license to drive a car, but not one to have kids. Go figure!!!
 
I know that there is something wrong with me but not sure what it is. My first psychiatrist diagnosed me with PTSD while the second said I don't have it but still need treatment and therapy. I really want to know what is that I'm going through. I would say things started when I was around 17 years old. I was feeling terrible about myself like the world would be better without me and like no one would notice my death. I was really feeling very lonely and was trying to get attention and sometimes had suicidal thoughts. I was chatting all day long online cuz it felt like someone do want to talk to me. I had constant problems and fights with Dad. I hated him then thought that he is an abusive person. He mistreated the family. He was bad to Mom and I had daily fights with him. I didn't trust or love him and was thinking that he was not being loyal to Mom. At the same time I was recalling memories from the time I was about six years old, my uncle was sexually abusing me for a whole year as I remember. I also was sexually abused by stranger as a teenage. Then as I got 17 years old and a half I found out that my boyfriend was a total fraud and was cheating on me and lying all the time. I had a teacher that I dearly loved and looked up to, he also sexually abused me later that time. Then I was too afriad to be on the street thinking that all men were wanting to abuse my body. I could not trust any one and still find difficulty to. I cant remember well how it felt like but I was devistated.
The part about being abused when I was six was completely out of my mind till my mom once mentioned something about being sexually abused when I was around 14 years old, just then I remembered that that happened.
My father used to beat me from time to time and he is a very angry person all the time. I remember how it killed me that he hit us and shout and yell at us everyday. I really hated that he almost never was nice to Mom and I wished my parents to have divorce.

I didn't have friends in my teenage years because of moving out to another city and because my classmates never liked me in all my schooling years. I was very lonely. from 2003-06 I was living in an unsafe area worrying about being kidnapped, raped, killed everyday and was terrorized. I was hearing the voice of shellings and bullets almost everyday. Hearign about dead bodeis in streets and killed children only when I was around 13 years old.

These all can be considered traumas and they all affect and hurt me so much.

I'm sorry for the long post, would like to hear your thoughts on it though.
 
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