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Poll Provocation Poll

What are your thoughts/feelings about provocation?


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DMerish

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How do you respond to being provoked? What, if any, situations would you consider provoking someone else?

If you feel you are provoked or that others provoke you, please feel free to post your comments about how provocation works in your life, or your opinions and views on the subject, in general. Thanks!

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That makes sense, Barconian.

Maybe I should explain my reason for posting this poll . . . I'll try to be brief . . .

Recently, someone yelled and cussed at me. When I asked them why, they said I had provoked them.

I don't think I provoked them. But I'm thinking maybe I don't understand how being provoked works. Saying or doing something that is a display of poor behavior IMO isn't due to what someone else does; in myself, when it happens, it is due to faulty impulse control, and I'm hoping for feedback - I'm wondering how other people like myself, with PTSD, see it, how they handle being provoked (because I now feel provoked to not talk to my kid again) and whether others with PTSD are seen as someone that provokes other folks.
 
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I know, for me, what I like to call "mindless stupidity" can really make me angry. I don't always DO anything about it, because I know that what I feel like doing is totally out of line and I can't come up with a more moderate or appropriate reaction. Once in awhile, things rise to the level where I DO lose my temper and then I blow up, usually all out of proportion to what actually happened. Not good thing! It's almost never something someone did deliberately. It's usually just not knowing any better.
 
The way I see it is in order to truly be provoked I have to react angrily or volatility and the other person needs to have intended to get that reaction from me. In other words their behaviour needs to either be objectively provoking or they they need to be purposefully hitting on spots that the two of know will provoke me. If I react to someones provoking behaviour but am upset or withdraw then I personally wouldn't describe it as me being provoked either.

People often react aggressively to others who are not attempting to provoke them. Because of their own baggage. In my book that is totally different. Often people will project their feelings onto the other person and blame them for provoking them when that isn't the case. Reacting doesn't have to come from being provoked.

Lastly we can be guilty of behaviour that we don't realise is aggressive or controlling and that is provoking. With outright bullying it is more obvious but other behaviour such as more obvious passive aggressive or controlling behaviour can still be aggressive and be provoking.

Your best bet is to describe the situation in as much detail as possible from both your perspectives and that will give people more to give you input if you are still finding this difficult to work our for your situation.
 
I guess I think of this as something similar to "she was dressing provocatively." In my head, it's associated with the notion that one person is responsible for another person's feelings and (likely inappropriate) behaviour, which I've spent a lot of time in therapy learning is not true. I'm responsible for my feelings and the way I manage them and other people are responsible for their feelings and the way they manage them.
 
@ill This had me feeling uncomfortable and I couldn't quite clear my head with it and you nailed it on the head. There are still different levels of behaviour that is aimed at getting an effect and that is true regardless but telling anyone they provoked you is usually about avoiding responsibility and making other people responsible for your actions and feelings.
 
I don't think simply being reactive means you've been provoked. It's like someone saying something completely neutral to you like "the sky is blue" and you reacting because blue reminds you of something bad. That's not provocation.

I'm extremely reactive at times but I can't remember the last time someone truly provoked me. On the other hand, if someone pisses me off, yeah, I can start provoking them!
 
When somebody deliberately provokes me it's always dumb teenagers who are trying to be cool or isolated macho men who don't know me. But this almost never happens and I'm really glad it doesn't. The times that I have been provoked I have reacted by punching them in the face or yelling some kind of insult. So far, those approaches have worked because the people who were provoking me, didn't plan for a fist fight in the first place. Most of the time they're just testing how far they can go.
 
I'm so thankful for all of your posts! Thank you, thank you!

New I don't think simply being reactive means you've been provoked.

I agree, Solara. I also agree with Barconian's last statement. Being reactive is connected to a lot of different things: influences from one's past, their opinions, lack of impulse control, how one is feeling that day, etc. However, expression of reactive impulses is simple/direct compared with the effort it sometimes takes for someone to act consciously, in the manner one wishes to act responsibly rather than reactively.

I'm responsible for my feelings and the way I manage them and other people are responsible for their feelings and the way they manage them.

This ^ is basically the way I see it also. Although someone may do or say something, something even bad, and the action or communication is related to a subsequent feeling, thought or action in me, the subsequent feeling, thought or act that I have is mine, i.e. I'm responsible for my own feeling, thoughts and actions. This is not to say that one should always simply accept the actions or behaviors expressed by others: we are all influenced by people and many things throughout one's day and life. I have the right to defend myself, if necessary. I have the right and obligation to myself to act in such a manner that will increase my betterment and/or treat situations with things or people that will enhance harmonious relations and decrease inharmonious relations. Therefore, once the thing is done or said, I am ultimately responsible for my own feelings and thoughts regardless of whether I have been provoked or not.

(1) People often react aggressively to others who are not attempting to provoke them. Because of their own baggage. In my book that is totally different. Often people will project their feelings onto the other person and blame them for provoking them when that isn't the case. (2) Reacting doesn't have to come from being provoked.

Abstract, as usual, you made some good points: (1) I think what you described is what happened. (2) I think there may have been a tone of annoyance in my voice when I spoke to my son, that I reached him at a time when he was already stressed, and he didn't like the fact that I took notice of something he should have taken care of but didn't, and he didn't want to hear it. Most folks don't like their misdeeds to be noticed.

So, in that respect, I had faulty impulse control (vocal tone) and he did also (yelling, cussing and hanging up the phone on me). I didn't provoke him. And, he hasn't provoked me into deciding not to talk to him ever again because of his behavior. My thought/feeling of never talking to him again is connected to my opinion that hanging up the phone on someone is a big no-no in my book. The reality is he's never done any of those things before (with me) and, in general, we have a good relationship. He knows I love him and I know he loves me. Unfortunately, due to prior abuse upon me by my son's father, my stance has become one of 'I don't take :poop: from others'!

I know, for me, what I like to call "mindless stupidity" can really make me angry.

People are people, and everyone has their moments of "mindless stupidity". I'm a fairly good communicator and problem solver: I can find consensus, solutions, and work out an issue with others (usually) with win-win solutions in a quick logical manner. I dislike inharmonic relations. I don't typically react to "mindless stupidity" (my own or others). This sounds lame to admit, but what gets me mad are inanimate objects, like my coffee pot that leaked all over the counter this morning. It's brand new. It was the third time it leaked and it shouldn't have. Stupid coffee maker won't play nice like I want it to. It's broken and can't fix its self. :banghead: It won't even help me to help it become fixed so it works properly!


Again, thank you - thank all of you for responding. After mental/emotional abuse from the ex, being told I don't have a brain, I'm stupid, crazy, always wrong, spoiled (as in rotten to the core), only worth pumping out babies but unwanted by anyone, an ugly unfeminine b*tch, and lots of other things, I still have insecurities. And I know I don't always see things factually or objectively. It takes me a while to do that, sometimes, and then to figure out how to respond to a situation rather than perpetrate further reactions. :stop:

Drew ;)
 
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