Undiagnosed Ptsd From Spouses Affair

[Shellbell]

I agree, and as far as I can see, this became about suicide due to the affair and divorce very clearly not ever being a possible cause for PTSD, as neither being life/existence threatening.

So, the suicide aspect is all that can be argued as a cause for PTSD.

 

[matthios]

Yup... problems with "intimate partners" is listed as the trigger for 30% of suicide cases (wikipedia entry on suicide). So while not mentioned by the OP, it's a likely consideration.

I suggested suicide/ideation/attempt/immediate aftermath of said attempt to play devil's advocate of how an affair can lead to PTSD, albeit like playing dominoes (but not implausible to exist in nature like some twisted rube goldberg machine). There's clearly a lot more to the story than what the OP jotted down in a few minutes if several months and several doctors have all led to and confirmed the original Dx.

 

[anthony]

Matt, you aren't the first, nor will you be the last, to instigate trolling here. I am warning you to be careful. I use the word troll, because you're making posts that question and make statements, yet you provide no evidence to substantiate. Thus, trolling for arguments. I have a limited patience before banning. I have read your posting history, which depicts exactly my point. Please be careful if you want to remain here.

Primary point... again, go read the DSM to find the actual terms for the type of trauma required for PTSD. It has become such an issue, from people such as yourself attempting to word smith the DSM's original intent, that the DSM V have reworded criterion A to such specificity to rule out all stupidity that does not fit abnormally traumatic. Again... DSM. Abnormally traumatic is defined as not a normal occurrence within the scope of life. Rape, murder, violent crimes, etc, are considered outside the scope of normalcy to expect within living ones life. Relationships, death by old age, moderate school yard bullying even, etc etc, are considered normal, thus not usable for a PTSD diagnosis.

I can read you want to challenge... and I have given you the answer. Go get a copy of the DSM and have a read. The book is copyright, hence why you don't find all the other information online, just the diagnostic criterion themselves. You will find out more by reading it. I used to have diagnostic tools on this site, of which all got removed once I learnt more about it from reading such texts. The depth and degree of what is required for diagnosis. You may also want to look at the university psychology texts on diagnosis, which contains information not found online, yet is the backbone to diagnosis.

There is already plenty of data on misdiagnosis to curb your interest. There are also some references attached to this sites wiki page on the subject: [DLMURL]https://www.ptsdforum.org/c/wiki/misdiagnosis/[/DLMURL]

 

[matthios]

make statements, yet you provide no evidence to substantiate.

Such as your unsubstantiated "99.9% of suicides are from depression"? In this thread alone, I've pointed to two specific published references, an internationally accessible and consistent wikipedia article, and the published wording from DSM IV and V. I've also mentioned a specific page on the metanoia site in passing. (While I wouldn't call it a scholarly resource, virtually all of the suicide prevention websites, including parts of the VA and NIMH sites, link to it as a resource. It comes up at the top of the google hits for "suicide"... at least in the US- I don't know how it shows up elsewhere. I know various US-specific government websites do NOT provide the same information when viewed outside the US)

Am I expected to give the names of specific doctors (M.D.? PhD? PsyD?) who have diagnosed PTSD based on the events surrounding a suicide attempt? Even if I *did* have access to them, I imagine there would be HIPAA right issues. (May be an American specific thing, but I'm sure the reason/sentiment behind them is internationally intelligible.)

As for calling me a troll? You caught me. I also live underneath a bridge and demand money from goats. I enjoy pointy hats... oh, wait, maybe that's a gnome-thing.

Or, rather than accusing me of trying to ruffle your feathers, consider that I was looking for a plausible way to validate the OPs experience- not only of his suffering but of his diagnosis. Both of which were attacked in this thread. Not only by you, but by many.

I'm not a doctor. I don't have the power to diagnose. I don't have the power to un-diagnose. I can consider diagnostic criteria. I can read his post and the pain in it. I can read first-hand survivor accounts of suicide attempts. I can look at published information concerning suicidality and the events that often trigger it. I can interpolate and extrapolate accordingly. I can look at my own experiences in hospitals. I can consider my conversations with my own treating medical professionals. I can consider conversations with my friends and former classmates (in one case former student!) who have become medical professionals. Were it not for the hurricane/physical handicap/crippling agoraphobia since the attack, I could even head up to the Trauma Center and seek out face to face conversations concerning suicide by those who are licensed practitioners holding advanced degrees and are world renowned authorities.

I have a limited patience before banning.

This is clear from seeing "banned" all over the forum. It's clear this is a "your house, your rules" place now. You should probably make this more clear in a sticky.

I have read your posting history, which depicts exactly my point.

Do you do this for everyone who disagrees with your unsubstantiated claims? I encourage anyone else reading this to read through my posting history.

Please be careful if you want to remain here.

I don't resort to threats. Especially over the internet. It's clear you're taking this personally. You've outed yourself as a sufferer too. I'm sorry if you feel your status has been threatened.

Abnormally traumatic is defined as not a normal occurrence within the scope of life. Rape, murder, violent crimes, etc, are considered outside the scope of normalcy to expect within living ones life. Relationships, death by old age, moderate school yard bullying even, etc etc, are considered normal, thus not usable for a PTSD diagnosis.

Thank you for finally providing this. It's been a long established tradition in cultures of Abrahamic (ideological) lineage to view suicide as a subtype of murder. This'd mean the Judaeochristianislamicworld. Looking at the laws concerning successful and unsuccessful suicide attempts through history is a really neat experience. Did you know it was a felony in Ireland until '93? The notion of suicide-as-murder is strong and it is recent and it is integrated into the core of Western civilization over the last millennium and a half.


I'm going to bed. It'll be interesting to see whether or not I've got an account tomorrow. I won't lose sleep either way, so do what you... er, not have to, but want to, do.

 

[anthony]

Yep... trolling. I honestly wish I could become an expert after reading the DSM criterion for PTSD. Sheesh!