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Ptsd Preventing The Development Of A Relationship

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Neb -

I don't know. I can have the same feeling (I'm married but we don't know if we'll work out so its a thought that occurs to me). Can anyone with healthy boundaries, self-esteem, etc etc ever love me with all my issues? I guess it's impossible to know, but it is possible to establish for yourself what you want and get reinforcement from places like this, even self-help books about what healthy would look like. Probably for all of us with PTSD, there are things we need to learn about ourselves and our behavior or thoughts/feelings that attract the wrong people. Which can also make it feel like the world is nothing but the wrong people.

I give lots of advice that is for me to hear as well. Trying to establish healthy boundaries and asserting what I need is really tricky, as I have absolutely been hurt by others who were not healthy either and its not easy to sort out. My wife has PTSD too, so. Yeah. Very hard to sort out sometimes when its you vs. the other person.

Sorry for rambling. Hold out for the mythical better guy. You know they do say you only find someone when you stop looking, and my life experience has borne that out. Only when you say screw it I'm going to take care of myself and find things that make me happy do you accidentally meet that person that clicks, I think partly because only then can you have some boundaries. If you are desperate to find someone who will really love you, than you will attract the same.
 
Great advice, Jemini. I also took note. If it's a stressful it's counter productive to the whole point of being in a relationship anyhow. Need something that will work along with you and not against you. Not worth it to be triggered all the time.
 
Neb -
You know they do say you only find someone when you stop looking, and my life experience has borne that out. Only when you say screw it I'm going to take care of myself and find things that make me happy do you accidentally meet that person that clicks, I think partly because only then can you have some boundaries. If you are desperate to find someone who will really love you, than you will attract the same.

I've always been a believer of this philosophy which is probably why I've never shown a lot of interest in dating. Then, I broke away from not looking when all my college friends were pairing up and I was starting to feel lonely and desperate. My experience with him reinforced my thinking that if I had not allowed desperation to take hold, I wouldn't have wound up in such an unhealthy relationship.

So, I went back to just doing my "thing" and waiting for the right relationship to come along. I'm a patient person and perfectly happy being single. While I certainly would like a good relationship, I haven't been doing anything to actively look for one. I work on improving myself and keeping myself active and involved and busy in church, work, community, family, education, developing talents, and so on.

I live in a small town now - moved here almost a year ago- and I've seriously thought about every prospective guy that has crossed my path, but I haven't pursued anything. It kind of makes me wonder though, if I should be more forward and pursue something with the only here I do feel any interest in, as opposed to sitting back and waiting for a guy to express interest in me. Because that, so far, has just seemed to result in obsessive men.
 
But how much of that desire to reject him is based on normal observations of legitimate concerns, and how much is my gut reaction due to my PTSD?
I struggle with this sort of question also. I wonder if my PTSD is distorting the way I perceive situations. It's incredibly frustrating so I feel for you.

I feel tho that he is moving to fast with regards to the txts that he sent you. And if you think he is coming on too strong there could be valid concerns there. However, I know that PTSD makes us want to "run for the hills" when it comes to emotional/intimate unpleasant situations. Does this mean your not ready for a relationship?I don't think so. I think you have an opportunity here to push yourself out side of your comfort zone and try to communicate your feelings to him. You don't have to explain why you feel like he was coming on too strong(meaning you don't have to tell him you have PTSD) just state how you felt overwhelmed by all the txt and his strong choice of words in them.
That way you can challenge yourself and gain further insight as to if your reactions were due to PTSD or otherwise. And you don't have a huge connection/feelings for him at this point so it's a little safer that way. You won't have to be overly concerned with HIS reaction but rather use it to learn more about how to identify YOUR true feelings. It's a lot of uncomfortableness for you at present but it may give you tips on how to figure out situations like this in the future.

God, this is so complicated hey?Let us know what you decide to do.
 
I just worry that I'll be constantly triggered no matter what, and then never have a relationship. I don't want to end up using my PTSD as an excuse to avoid all relationships.

But what about the next guy, or the next? What about someone I'm genuinely interested in? If I get frequently triggered even with a good guy, I don't want to hide behind it.

Are there even any guys perceptive and sensitive enough that would be interested in a relationship with me? That's this little worry that constantly nags in the back of my head. Will I ever find a guy like that? And if I do, will he want to be with me?

@Nebulustrix, I identify, too, with all of these things! It's hard to know where garden-variety normal anxiety for something new stops and PTSD begins, y'know? Sigh. I've been putting my big toe back in the waters of dating lately, and it is so very hard. But, as some very kind people on here have reminded me, there are people are there who will trigger us less than others and there are people who are okay with being with people with PTSD, because they can see the "real" us, not the triggered scared us. This gives me hope, and maybe it will give you a little hope, too, that it is possible to have a relationship with PTSD! :)

I think you have an opportunity here to push yourself out side of your comfort zone and try to communicate your feelings to him.

Agreed. And I think doing so may also make stronger down the road, which is invaluable.
 
falling - I definitely get the "run for the hills" response for my triggers, which is what causes me to wonder if I'm overreacting. After posting here, getting feedback, and taking some time to think about it, I've decided perhaps, that response means I am overreacting, but not necessarily that no reaction is necessary. I should be doing something about these triggers, because they are legitimate concerns - but I don't need to be running for the hills.

That being said, it is still hard to work past that gut flee instinct and produce a more healthy response. It is hard to face that fear enough to confront the issue and see what happens. I'm getting that desire to flee because my body is expecting the result of a confrontation to be pain and fear, based on past experience. But that won't necessarily be the result, and I can make certain it is not the result if the confrontation happens in a safe, public place - since I still don't know this guy and have no idea how he will react.

Pushing myself outside my comfort zone to handle these kinds of things is exactly what I am looking to do, so that I can make myself stronger and more able to handle confrontations without running and hiding. That being said - since this happened Tuesday, I've gone all week without responding to any more of his texts, which he has been sending despite my lash out to the "you don't answer" text. Then, yesterday, he got a new number and called me.

I was just pulling in to my son's daycare to pick him up after work and was expecting a call from his doctor and didn't recognize the number, so I answered. It was him, trying to check up on me, telling me he was worried because I hadn't been responding to his texts, and asking if I'd like to do something with him Saturday (today). I was caught off guard, and needed to get off the phone quick, as I needed to get out of the car and get my son, so I just said sorry about not responding to the texts and said "sure that sounds like fun" to his suggestion for a Saturday get together. Then told him I had something going on in the morning but I'd let him know when I was done. Got off the phone.

His suggestion is one that will put us somewhere public - lots of people - so it's probably a perfect opportunity for me to get outside that comfort zone and clearly lay out some boundaries. My heart flutters with nervous tension just thinking about it, and I'm again getting that "run for the hills" response, wanting to just not call him or text him to avoid it, and then saying after when I see him at church tomorrow - "yeah, sorry had too much going on, maybe we can try again for another time". But I know that response won't address the issue and will just exacerbate my fears and lead him on.

So... I need to work up the courage to actually do this.
 
Update:

I feel so drained, and my chest still feels tight, like my airway has been constricted - might need to use an inhaler... My whole body feels like I put it through an intensive work out and has now gone limp with exhaustion. And all just from my attempts to communicate with this guy today and clear the air.

I had a church activity this morning, and he attempted to call me three times while I was there. I ignored the first two attempts, and then put my phone on silent, so didn't know about the third until I checked my phone after. I was busy, didn't want to answer while I was at church, and had told him yesterday I'd let him know when I was done, so his attempts to call irritated me. I felt like ignoring him completely, but was determined to get with him and clear everything up.

So, when I was done, I sent him a text to let him know I was done and on my way to the park - they were having a Mexican Independence Day celebration there, which was what he'd invited me to. He then replied with a text asking if I was going to pick him up. I'd thought he was planning on being there for the whole celebration and would have already been there while I was at church, so I was confused, and a bit angry that he'd assumed I'd be giving him a ride when he was only a five minute walk from the park (he has no car- bikes and walks everywhere he goes).

Considering my panic attack over the texting Tuesday, and his continuous attempts to text and call me, I also felt immensely uncomfortable with the idea of being in the car with him. I texted no I was not going to pick him up, I had expected him to already be at the park and I was uncomfortable with giving him a ride. He replied with a simple "why?".

At this point, I was already at the park, watching my son play in a bounce house, and even if I had been comfortable with the idea of picking him up, I wasn't about to tell my son we had to leave when we'd only just arrived. I was starting to feel pressured again and ready to just ignore him altogether - turn my phone off, let my son play, and then tell him when I got home that my phone had died.

But I mustered up the courage to explain, so he'd walk to the park, meet with me, and I could explain in a way that would help him understand that I needed him to stop pestering me. The texting turned into an entire ordeal - he attempted to call me, but I ignored it - unwilling to talk on the phone while I was feeling so tense.

I told him his pushiness had made me uncomfortable, and that discomfort meant I didn't want to be with him in private, but I was at the park and could explain better in person if he was still coming. He replied that he was confused and didn't understand why I'd suddenly become so uncomfortable and that he wasn't meaning to be pushy. He thought I was changing my mind - since I'd said I was willing to go to the park with him yesterday and now I was telling him no. He wasn't understanding what had caused the sudden change.

I reiterated that I was perfectly alright with meeting him at the park, as it was a big public event and I just didn't want to be alone with him. He then asked again if I was coming to pick him up, that he was waiting for me - he was home with his mother and brother so we wouldn't be alone. I replied, no. If he was coming to the park we could talk, I could explain, but I was not going to get him. He asked if I wanted him to come to my house. I said NO. I was at the park. Come to the park, or stop bothering me and forget it.

Finally, he said he'd be there in five minutes, and I used those few moments to focus on my breathing and try to get myself calm. The whole texting process had taken two hours, and I was feeling a desire to tell my son it was time to go and just get out of there. The difficulty making myself clear about something so simple had exhausted my energies and upped my heart rate. I had to keep telling myself that if I just waited it out, took the time here and now to lay everything out and make it all perfectly clear, I could be done with it and stop fretting.

When he arrived, I explained to him about PTSD and that the more he pestered and pushed the more it exacerbated my symptoms and made me feel like running the other direction. I explained that he wasn't necessarily doing anything wrong, but that he was trying to move the relationship extremely quickly and needed to turn on the brakes.

I further explained that I likely wouldn't want to be anything more than friends, and that if things ever did progress further it would depend entirely on my ability to feel comfortable around him, and there was no way I was going to feel comfortable if he kept triggering my PTSD with frequent texts - that my ex had been extremely controlling and used texting/calling as a way to keep tabs on everything I was doing every moment of every day, and if I hadn't responded to him fast enough or with a response he considered adequate, he'd become angry - and anger equaled pain.

This process was just as much of an ordeal as the texting, because he kept reiterating his lack of understanding. He couldn't make the connection from my trauma to the present, and couldn't understand why I'd be feeling so tense and afraid when he hadn't done anything to hurt me and wasn't going to do anything to hurt me. I had to explain that PTSD wasn't rational- that I understood he wasn't my ex and most likely wouldn't react the same way to things or treat me the same way, but my trauma had affected my instinctive reactions to things and my body was responding to his texts as if they were warnings of a potential life threatening situation from which I'd have to run or defend myself.

Once I managed to get that through to him, he was wanting me to put some kind of timeline on how long it would take before I was able to get past that and feel comfortable around him. I told him I couldn't do that because I had no way of knowing how long it would take. It depended on how frequently he hit my triggers, how intense my reactions were, and his ability to give me the space I needed to work through it. And, I reiterated that it was quite likely I'd never be ready to be in a relationship with him and would only ever just want to be friends, and if that was the case it wasn't because I was hiding from him to avoid my PTSD - because I want to overcome it - but because if it was too much work for me to get comfortable around him it was because our personalities just made us incompatible and we wouldn't be a good match for each other.

He still insists that he thinks I'm "the one" and that he wants things to work out between us, but he's agreed to give me my space and let me call the shots. He will not pester me with calls or texts and will just see me at church and let me let him know if/when I ever feel comfortable with taking things another step forward.

Based on how much of an ordeal this turned into today, I'm fairly certain I will never feel comfortable moving forward with this guy, but that was something I couldn't seem to get through to him. He's still hoping for a relationship and I couldn't kill that hope without giving him a firm "Leave me alone, I don't want anything to do with you" speech. So at this point I guess I just have to wait and see if he'll really stop pestering me, so I know if I'm going to have to give him that speech, or if today's meeting will have proven successfully sufficient.
 
I'M SO PROUD OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The guy is a lost cause in my opinion. His actions are very strange to say the least but you already know/knew that. I'm super impressed with how far you were able to challenge yourself today! And I commend you for sticking to your plan instead of avoiding the situation altogether. It's like you said -no thanks PTSD, I can handle this one on my own.

I'm sending you a cyber high five!
 
Wow, @Nebulustrix, you did an amazing job!! I, too, am proud of you, and can only hope that if/when I'm faced with any sort of similar situation I handle it with the same grace, skill, and calm. (Although you weren't so "calm" per se, it sounds like you handled it with as much as you could muster, which is way better than what I usually do!) Go you!
 
Thanks, everybody. :) Talking/writing things through here really helped give me the boost I needed to be able to do this. I've done a lot of writing to work through things before, but it really does help to get the feedback too, and I'm seriously considering now going back to therapy again. While I managed to pull this off, my body is still having a field day.

I wasn't able to sleep much at all last night, my chest still feels tight, and I've been near tears all day. I keep having bits and pieces of flashbacks to the ex stream through my mind like a slide show on hyper speed, and it's bringing back all the tension and nervousness that was there when I first left him and my PTSD was really bad. I'm so tired, but my body won't relax enough for me to sleep. Going to take some melatonin when I'm ready for bed tonight, and hope I don't have nightmares.
 
Do be extra gentle with yourself. Once we've pushed ourselves out of our comfort zone, there's growth involved, but it also can throw us so out of wack given that during the event itself your anxiety level was so high. If you can, try some deep yoga stretches after a hot shower and some deep breathing in order to keep your muscles from being too tight and getting sore.

As for sleep, I don't have any surefire tips for that except for reading something obnoxiously boring?

Take care of yourself (and be proud of yourself, too!). :)
 
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