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Questioning The Relationship With My Mother

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Lady of Longbourn

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Sorry this so jumpy. I really need to get this off my chest. Its becoming very painful.

I am a little (Okay a lot) confused about the relationship with my mother. I figured out my father is a toxic person, and I don’t want anything to do with him. But then there is my mother… sometimes; I can’t see a huge difference between them.

Father: [DLMURL]https://www.ptsdforum.org/c/threads/i-just-ended-the-relationship-with-my-father.18077/[/DLMURL]

My mother told me once she married my father because she was desperate. She thought that because everyone else around her was married and having kids she should be too. My father used to love telling me about how my mother had relationships before they knew each other where she had abortions. He would always belittle her. The stories can change. She told me once after my father had been abusive (They were divorced and living in different states. I went to see my father during school holidays) and hostile towards me that he had also been abusive towards her where they were married. He broke her arm, he would hit her, push her. I believe her and still do becasuse I have seen how my father acts. Years after she found out I had been sexual assaulted she told me my father had raped her, and sexual assaulted her many times. While I see that its completely likely that he did… It just also made me weary that she says things like that…after I mention it. Does anyone understand what I mean? I am struggling to explain it.

My mother started living with my future stepfather when I was 9 years old and married him when I was 13. He is a very cold person, and never had any idea how to treat me. I did horrible at school. My mother was ill before she met him, and was not able to care for me very much. I would go to school dirty, and was made fun of a lot at school. I still have flashbacks where I can smell myself. They had me on Ritalin, which caused me to be very depressed. My teacher would make fun of me in front of the class. I was always treated like I was stupid. Teachers would hand me answers to tests and homework. I was sent to CMC ( a small classroom I think mostly for kids with learning disablies), they were supposed to help us learn the class work, instead they would give us the answer and told us not to tell. I got it into my head they I could not do it, that I was stupid. And this countuies even now. I was very depressed as a child, and had bad sleeping problems. Bathroom problems and temper problems. I was hungry, meals where not a normal thing. I would call my grandfather and tell him I was hungry. He didn't know what to do..it tore him up. She seemed to forget about school lunch, and I never ate breakfast. I would call my grandfather and tell him I was hungry. This made school worse, and if I wasn’t depressed then I was to tired to do focus on school. All reinforcing the “I am stupid” thing. My doctor’s think I was misdiagnosed as a child, that I actually had Bipolar disorder…which I am diagnosed as having now. T also thinks my father or someone might have touched me as a child. I probably had PTSD then.

My best friend ( and only friend besides my dog) died of cancer when I was 12 years old. I never cried. Instead my mother did, and I had to comfort her.

When I was about 13 years old, I started going to internet chat rooms. I was very lonely and depressed, and the people on there seemed to love to know me. I didn’t realize I was being groomed for sexual things ( please see;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming) , I was to young and to social rejected to even know who to tell. My stepfather was turning my mother more against me. He seemed to hate me and barely tolerate me. I never realized it was wrong, I finally had someone to talk too, so talking about sexual things with them was a small price. I suddenly had all these men who seemed obsessed with me, who would miss me when I was gone. Ask how my day was and just talk to me. Soon I was talking on the phone with them and using webcams. I cried the first few times I showed them my body on webcam but I got used to it. I was soon doing that for groups of men. But I always had someone to talk too. Where was my mother? I don’t know. Even my T is confused a bit here. He told me “ I would have never left a child alone for so long.” My mother would go days with not talking to me, she wouldn’t usally ask about school or homework. She would never come to just talk to me, it was always for a bad reason. I would become scared if she talked to me thinking “What did I do now?” Meals were still…not so normal. Dinner was better, but my stepfather would often take most of the food. I learned to not eat much the first helping for some reason, even though I knew he would take it all. I never ate lunch or dinner. Often I was to depressed. I never got enough sleep.

Once they found a sexual chat I had been having with a man. They were angry with me and I just sat there and said “ I don’t know” a lot. I was treated like I was a very bad kid. I still wonder how they could have not seen how depressed I was. My mother told a few months ago, that my stepfather, who is a doctor, also thought I was Bipolar and didn’t have ADHD. Then why didn’t she do anything? Why didn’t she get me help? I didn’t know how or who to tell/ask. I was becoming to brainwashed with the grooming, feeling it was completely normal and healthy. I didn’t realize I was depressed, not really at least. I knew something was wrong but I was sure what. I soon learned that maybe this was me. I was given a social worker after my father was abusive to me. I didn’t know how to explain anything to her. I didn’t completky realized that almost everything in my life was wrong. Nothing was stable. I tried to tell her about how my stepfather treated me, with hatred. She seemed to treat it like I was just ‘being a teenager’,…at one point she told me that she has other clients who “have been abused and raped, so much worse then anything you have suffered”, I stop talking to her.

School didn’t get any better. I was alienated by other students and never had any friends for very long. People were starting to realize I was not dependable. And that I was stupid. My parents didn’t treat me like I had a chance at anything. My father would drop comments about how I wouldn’t graduate high school.

I would always listen to music to escape, that was my only relief.

Sometimes I would get a teacher who seemed to look threw me and actually try to teach me something. One of them was a math tutor. She was nice to me and patience. She seemed to realize I never learned math past multiplication. She would teach me and realized I was good at it. I was shocked that I could do math! But nothing like that latest very long, with all the negative factors around me it was easy to fall again. Which I did, all the time. I never remember being happy, for years. Years.

Where was my mother?

When I was 17 years old I re-met a guy I knew in another high school. He soon turned out to be obsessed with me just like those men on the internet. He would always would to see me and cry if he couldn’t. He would control me. Soon he was raping me…and I wont go on, I have talked about this a few times on the forum. I got pregnant and lost the child. All by myself. We lived together during my senior year, he started having people with me all the time. He would sneak me to his work to watch me. I thought this was normal. I didn’t totally make the connection. I knew he was raping me, I just felt crippling horror and fear of him killing me. Who could I tell? Once, when he was about to rape me, he got a knife. And for the first time, the crippling fear was there, but so was ‘run’. I was naked in another room, I would have to run past him to get in front of the house. I wouldn’t be able to grab a phone but I could scream. What if he caught me? Worse…what if no one was there? I didn’t run…I layed there and let him. I screamed but…I felt like a completely coward and after that I told myself this was my life now. Always being sexual abused. Always depressed. Always belittled. And stupid. My T tells me, that one day I probably would have tried to kill him.

This all happened under my mother’s nose. In her yard, in her house. I was being raped all the time. When I finally left him…my mother thought I left because we couldn’t pay the rent. She was blind to my pain. It was so obvious to me now, I was probably completely transparent.

I lived with them after I left my rapist. I knew now something was badly wrong with me. I was starting to realize I need help. My T says at this point I should have been hoslipaized, probably for months. I was looseing my mind. My mother wanted me to be “independent”, she always pushed for me to leave her house. I was 19. My stepfather was at a all time hate level.

I needed help. I need a break. Instead my mother pushed me to buy a 23,000 dollar car. I didn’t even have a job. When I got a job, I couldn’t pay my bills. Some months I simpletly didn’t have enough money. Some I was to out of control. Looking back I was probably swinging from Mania to Bipolar depression. I don’t rapid cycle so much now, but I am learning that environment really really effects Bipolar Disorder and its course. I was drinking and did some prostitution when I wasn't able to pay that damn car payment. I was having sex with men a lot, unprotected. And would get STD’s. My mother still wanted me out. She finally let me see her therapist. Who thought my problems were small ones. He was shocked to find out they weren’t. He didn’t know how to help me, he didn’t connect the dots like My T now easily did. My parents would fight over who would pay for the therapy they thought I didn’t need. I could not afford it.

Going to have to finish this later. And add more later.

The bottom line is ( sorry its taken so long to get there)…Now I am in college. Very happily married, and finally in a completely healthy relationship. I am starting to realize that my relationship with my mother is NOT healthy. She still belittles me, she thinks the problem with my stepfather when I was 9 and older was my fault, that he treats me that way because “ I was so bad to him…” Which I don’t remember, I remember the opposite. She is in denial about almost everything. She knows I am ill and accepts it. But there is that…felling of being so angry with her. Now that I realize how awful she was. She was an accessory to my abuse, wasn’t she? I am not sure.

I still love her…but I worry that I love her because I am almost brainwashed into thinking all that was still my fault. That in reality I just tolerate her. That I didn’t really love her.

Have to finish this later. I am sorry its so long. I had to write it all down. And God there is so much mosre...Things I really need to share. I feel a bit like a hypocrite for saying all this, as I give advice about relationship on this forum...
 
(((Ayesha))) that's a whole lot of hurt, and I just wanted you to know that someone was listening.

I wonder at times about my own relationship with my mother... who was also beaten and sexually abused. It's dicey at the best of times, and down right intolerable or nonexistant other times. I hope you can keep writing and figure it all out. It sounds like she clearly had problems of her own, and isn't or wasn't well herself ... in our family the whole family was sick and has dysfunction.

Ditch the "hypocrite" label... it may have been the relationship discussions that got you to the point where you felt able to discuss this. I've been known to do that at times, develop a bit of confidence then break the ice on something big for myself and make some decisions.
 
I've read your diary for a while Ayesha but I just have a hard time posting so maybe you don't know I do, but I've followed sort-of your relationship with your mom since you've posted about it and always thought that it was not a healthy relationship. Your mom is not a healthy person. Just look at it like this, your dad was nuts, your stepdad was nuts, how could your mom be healthy and in a relationship with them to begin with? It isn't just "one" parent that is abusive. Does that make sense? That dynamic is impossible because the "non-abusive" parent is always the unhealthy facilitator of the abuse. There is no such thing as "an abusive father and a normal mother" because a normal, non-abusive mother, would not facilitate abuse by anybody. I think you are perfectly justified to question the relationship with your mother and how much toxicity is really happening there.
 
She was an accessory to my abuse, wasn’t she? I am not sure.

Yes! She should have protected you, fact, she was the adult and you were her child.

I still love her…but I worry that I love her because I am almost brainwashed into thinking all that was still my fault. That in reality I just tolerate her. That I didn’t really love her.

All I can say is, I love my mother too, why would I not? But the fact remains she allowed the abuse, she saw and turned away. Until I have fully addressed that as NOT my fault then the relationship remains a conflict in my recovery. I can relate to your confusion on this. You have been through so much and come so far, keep going and the answers become clearer.

((((((((Ayesha))))))))
Rain
 
… It just also made me weary that she says things like that…after I mention it. Does anyone understand what I mean?

I can relate to what you wrote about your mother.

What my mother does, with me, but also with her other childeren, is competing. She competes about the pain and misery we have been trough and about who has the right to be a victim.

If i would break a toe, and call her, she would immediatly top it by telling how she broke a leg, and about how horrible and utterly dramatic that was.
She is ingoring my pain. At that moment she is competing with me for attention. She wants attention, and if I ask for attention, it is a reminder for her, that she needs attention.
It is a ( not so) subtle message that have no right to feel pain or misery. She is the only one alowed to feel these things and to recieve attention for it.
It is always about HER, not me.
She acctively minimises my pain by doing this.

I see the same dynamic in the piece you wrote.

When my little girl is in pain, I will try to listen and to comfort her as best as I can. Not a thought crosses my mind to come up with my pain or misery. If my daughter needs attention, it is her time, not mine!!!
 
She often lies. She often exaggerates the story. A small example is when my high school German teacher wanted a parent - teacher conference with her. She told the teacher she "knows German", she made it sound like she was fluent. She made it sound like she could help me, and wanted too, but I was the problem by not wanting her help. She was also a horrible teacher.

I just talked to her. I talked about getting new glasses. How the eye doctor thought I don't actually need them. But my eyes will hurt when tired, I get migraines. My eye muscles will get tired and cause pain. I was born at 6 and half months, and had lots of medical problem. One was my eyes, I had many surgery's for the eye muscles.Then it gets hard to see. Wearing glasses seems to help. When we talked today...she put blame on me. " I've always told you that...You never listened." I only remember her once taking me to get eyes tested. She never worried about any of that before. I bring it up...she feels guilty. Blame on me.
 
Does that make sense? There is no such thing as "an abusive father and a normal mother" because a normal, non-abusive mother, would not facilitate abuse by anybody.

Yes, that makes sense. I never quite saw it that way. You are very insightful, Sea.

Father and stepfather are nuts. My stepfather was a different sort of abuse then my father, but still abuse. Stepfather was cold, unfeeling, he liked putting my mother against me. He was a doctor and my mother acted like he knew it all. He would lie about my eczema, he told my mother it was contact dermatitis. Told my mother to give me her medication, my regular doctor was very angry with her. He realized something was wrong I went to him often. Now I see I went for reasons that were coming up becasue of serve stress. I wanted to tell him, I was being raped. One day he told me my illness " were all in my head" I took it as him calling me a hypochondriac. Didn't realize later he might have meant a mental disorder. Always reminded how much I was costing them to keep me. Never mind my father was paying more then enough in child support. ( $750/ month) Father physics. Father mental ill, Mother mental ill.

I am one of the only ones in my family to acknowledged I am ill. Not afraid of telling people I am mentally ill. I am one of the only ones to get help. Both sides of family have mental illness. All untreated. Crazy bunch of assholes.

My father was a angry, violent sort, controlling, stalking, obsessive. He put camera's in his house to watch me when he was not home. He would watch me when he was at work. I often wonder if there was one in my room. I was not as observie then, I didn't look for camera's. Father...over and over in my head..." you are my mother's daughter...just f*cking like her!...She was a bitch...You are just like her"

They both seemed to hate me for the same reason. My father because I was my mother daughter. And my stepfather becasue I was my father's daughter. They took my outbursts as me being difficult, I was just "awful", stupid, worthless. They ingonred me, seemed ashamed of me. I was sick and untreated, Bipolar. Not a good combination.

T: "Almost anything bad that could have happened to you did. In some form or another. You are very complex, Ayesha." But he's not giving up, and neither is my husband.
 
Ayesha I am so sorry for all that you have been through and all alone at that. I am glad you now have your husbands support through your sorting of all of this and the healing process.

When I first started reading your post, you could have been my daughter. There were so many similiarities. I married very young and divorced her abusive father when she was 6 yrs. old. He was abusive, alcoholic, and bi-polar, as his father was. When she was 10, I re-married. My second husband I would not call cold, but he showed little emotion and little love. He was not very expressive. I came to realize that I felt very neglected in the marriage, but after being in such an abusive and unpredictable relationship left me with the need for stability-and a person without emotion seemed quite safe at the time. I wanted peace and needed it badly. I had two more daughters in my second marriage, and that was very hard on my first daughter.

I can feel your pain in reading all that has happened to you. Im sorry that your mother was unable to protect you from all the things that you have experienced. I know from my own experience and taking my daughter to counseling at a young age, professionals do not make diagnosis of bi-polar at such a young age, even when they suspect it. When she was about 14, professionals suspected borderline personality disorder, and later bi-polar. My daughter does have both and is now 36 yrs old.

Even though I was the opposite of your mother in many ways, particularly in being very concerned for her and over protective, much of the outcome of her teen years is not that different than yours. Im sure that seeing her step father present at his childrens birth, and holding his baby's and nurturing the toddlers, etc. left her missing that for herself, as her father was not there for her, and her step father knew nothing about parenting and nurturing and was only learning.(he is very similiar to someone with Asbergers in that he does not know how to reciprocate with others and feels little empathy).

As time has past, his relationship with his daughters has centered around sports. They both played sports their whole life-as that is how they get dads attention and approval. He had used sports his entire life as recreation and socializing. He is quite inept to this day(25 yrs later) of showing affection, of being nurturing, etc. My children count on me for about everything except financial.(he has been a good provider). We seperated when my younger girls were 12 and 14. I felt like I did not have a partner and did not want my girls thinking this was a normal healthy relationship. They are now both in college. I am very close with my daughters, the relationship they have with their dad is very limited. They love him very much. He is not a warm fuzzy person. We are all limited by something in our personality, our characteristics, beliefs, etc.

You have every right to feel neglected by your mother, to feel that you have not been protected, and to feel whatever else that you may feel toward her. At the end of the day, only you can decide if having a relationship with her is worth the risks to your own mental health. It sounds like things are good in your life right now and you are sorting through so much of your past. You did not have the abilities, knowledge, and choices that you have now to create the life that you want, you have that now. Hugs to you, and hang in there
 
I still love her…but I worry that I love her because I am almost brainwashed into thinking all that was still my fault. That in reality I just tolerate her. That I didn’t really love her.

I completely understand this, Ayesha. I'm struggleing with trying to understand my own relationships with my parents. My father is an easier one to define. I see him as the AntiChrist, plain and simple. My relationship with my mother is far more difficult to get a handle on. It's been suggested to me that she's a victim too, but she also enabled my abuse, and continues to make me feel useless and belittled even as an adult. At bare minimum she's been emotionally neglectful, and at worst, my father's accomplice. She's in the "villify the victim" camp, and has ranged from verbal assualt to blatant manipulation over the years. The bottom line is, she wasn't much of a mother, and I'm going to need to find what she couldn't give elsewhere. She wasn't capable then, and she isn't capable now. Do I love her because society tells me I'm supposed to, is it a habit, is it an assumption? And can I really feel love for someone that's treated me the way she has? I haven't figured it out yet, but I understand what it is to ask the question.
 
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