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Spiritual Abuse From Toxic Christianity.

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There's a beautiful song this reminds me of by R.E.M called Around the Sun.
I love how he starts out saying "I wish the followers would lead with a voice so strong it could knock me to my knees" then the song grows and changes in the 2nd verse to say "Give me a voice so strong, I can question what I have seen"

Songs like this have helped me.
 
Rizen I am having problems with my laptop and cannot access the song. My favorite REM song was called losing my religion. Music helped me so much. It has very powerful healing words to fully express how I feel at any given moment. Thank you for the song.
 
I agree Gizmo that good can come out of the bad. I have had to find and create it. I used to wait for things to change, waiting for others and the world to do the magic, doing nothing myself. Now I know I have to take action, stand in my truth and create the good, turnaround the not so good as best I can.

Cool lyrics @Rizen. Music has been indescribably healing and inspirational.

I just saw Rodriguez last week in concert. He is so cool and inspirational. In the forty years after he recorded his two records that unbeknownst to him became the soundtrack to anti-apartheid in South Africa he worked in obscurity and poverty for the good of the community in Detroit. Now rediscovered 40 years later, he is being recognized and given his due. I love that he didn't get bitter and go down but kept doing the next right thing. I love when there is justice. Sorry for the segue Gizmo.
 
I think its disgusting how God gets hijacked and used for the purposes of hurting other people. I really do think that man has done FAR too much in interpreting who/what God is, and in the process, has gone astray. I am SO sorry that you ran into one of these "cults". I have known other people who have belonged to churches that have strict rules and beliefs and in my opinion have twisted the true meaning of "faith". I know my church isn't perfect, but I am thankful that I have found a good one that supports me. It has had its share of issues and those who behave very un-God-like, but overall, I am happy with it, as no church is perfect.

I think what makes me sad is to see people who lose their faith altogether because of corrupt churches. I think it is important to separate God and from religion. God is of the spiritual realm while religion is the man made incarnation of spirituality. I had a good friend who was able to make me see that God needs to be separated from man and it is not right to be angry at God for the acts of man. I am so thankful that he was able to open my eyes as I now have a strong sense of spirituality and I can view God as separate from religion and man. I am able to separate the good from the bad, and I don't fall for the lies of those who pretend to be "Godlike" while acting quite the opposite.
 
Hi Gizmo, my maternal granddad is a lay method preacher. From what I can gather 'lay' translates in his case at least, to a dangerously self interested dabbler. Yet he has propelled himself into this position in a community basically by utilising religion as his morality in place of the fact that he isn't himself a very nice person.

I've always felt a wary of him. He calls people 'my friend' but it has such a hollow sour ring to it when he does, it feels insidious, creeping, contrived.

He is the person who seemly instilled in my mother that to be ungodly was to be unworthy and that marriage as a holy union was never to be undone. Also it seems that he gave her an inferiority complex that meant as an undeserving woman she would have to be the one to prevent divorce at all costs. When I say all costs, I mean costs incurred only to herself.

Growing up being abused by my father, he sent me cryptic letters saying I should be careful not become one of those girls who sat at the back of the cinema. I had no clue what he was talking about, I was 12, but he judged my traumatised behaviour in some mysterious manner without ever extending a hand out to me. Judging me in some weird abstract way was suitable it seemed. In fact just thinking about it, he always was a snide coward, he wouldn't even just come out and plainly say what he thought. He got far more delight out of insulting and ostracising you if he could confuse you as well. He seemed to get a thrill out of insinuating accusation. Skirting around it but never stating his case. Funny thing is everyone else in the family seems to tow the line and subscribe to the fact he is well meaning?

Also, he worked at a borstal ('care' home for boys) in North Wales. It is a place that for 20 years has had numerous investigations into it's operation, after widespread endemic accusations of sexual abuse and child cruelty. My granddad worked tirelessly to try and clear the names of the 'falsely accused' by these 'delinquent' children who were beyond hope and defective. Very Christian. Whilst struggling with what was happening to me he used to wax lyrical about these sub standard kids who were only after the money and attention. He even co-founded an organisation called FACT (Falsely Accused Carers and Teachers). It always smacked of vitriol and self righteous denial to me.

Even when I was having massive breakdowns, and stupidly went to my family for help, I was massively in need of a caring male archetype and he just started questioning me about how I KNEW I didn't have False Memory Syndrome (one of his favourites). It massively triggered me. He seemed oblivious. He is one of the most alarming discompassionate and self absorbed people I know.

I am secular and atheist because of it.

Occasionally my aunt has tried to help in my healing by trying to suggest religious based retreats. It could not be more opposed to what I feel.

However, as buildings I have on occasions gone into religious buildings and I like the energy the scale gives. Also they tend to be quite an empty
 
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@Caterpillar

I'm right there with you, almost verbatim. I too decided that since I was going to be damned no matter what I did, I might as well have fun with it. So I proceeded in a crusade to commit every sin I could think of. Which was.. illuminating.. to be sure. Looking back some of my 'crimes' were so naive. LOL.

Of course it didn't turn out to be as liberating as I hoped it would be, as I realized about 20 years later that behaving in complete opposition to them was still letting them define me. But I'm getting over that, as time allows. I'm glad you made it out to where you don't even consider the proselytizers relevant anymore. Good luck when it comes to your fiance's family. Sometimes people can still surprise you with their warmth.

Oh, and Blessed Be. ;)
 
Thank you Solara for your take on things. I have heard there were good churches but I am done with church and religion. It is all man made and I realized that I do not fit in with a church. I still have my faith and I have grown in it, but I tend to tread very lightly with others who have been Spiritually Abused. It seems that the needy and the broken get tossed out for not fitting in with the status quo.

The blindness, deafness and ignorance of the people who harmed me was so horrorfying and appalling. Like I said before, it was like living in the dark ages.

Thanks for sharing your experience with me.
 
Oh Springer what hell you have witnessed. I know there is movement to legalize child sexual abuse going on in this country. It is already legal in a few countries.

I simply loathe it when they surround the abusers and protect them and demonize the ones who do not agree with their dogma.

Have you ever seen the movie Saved? It is one of the best satires I have ever seen. Another good one is Dogma. So funny.

I can imagine how much messed up your mind was when you were told you had False Memory Syndrome. The pediphiles work very hard on their campaigns for this made up insanity.

Thanks so much for sharing what happened to you. I am appalled at what happened to you. I am so glad you have found your peace and resolution. Hugs.
 
Well I don't feel to bad about him. Like you say people like that and their belief systems are not worth expending energy on. Once a bigoted prick....always a ******* *****!

I do find it curious that two of his three daughters and a granddaughter have all been raped or sexually assaulted and he still doesn't relate to it or adapt his position?

Pah.....
 
I can relate to what you said about the daughters and the granddaughters. I see what you mean about him. We are all making our own choices good and bad, dare I say evil?

My father was a sadist. He enjoyed his ritual of beating us with his belt. I am so glad he is dead. I disconnected from him pretty early on in my therapy.

Are the three girls getting any help? What a tangled up mess.

I like your common sense approach. It helps me put things into perspective.

He is here now. Good luck to me.
 
Well the three 'girls' are my mother and aunt, now in their 50's and 60's and me in my 30's. I muddle through :)

I don't know who your visitor guy is exactly, some bloke from your old church? Hope he is not a danger or one of those toxic types.

Can you not do a 'possession' dance and make him leave? :devilish: :hungover: :wtf: :mask: :dead:

Good luck with him, don't put up with any nonsense Gizmo. :tup:
 
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