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Struggling - Transference Is So Deeply Painful

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Transference is extremely tricky business, November. It projects all over the map in such rapid sequence that even after decades of work, I still cannot predict my own. I won't even attempt to predict someone else's. I often compare my own to a high tension power line that has broken free of its transformer. It flops and flips dangerously with incredible charges and sparks flying randomly.

When I find myself in this state, I first focus on it as a generalized state. Containing the voltage? And there is where the analogy falls apart. My personal power grid does not seem to have easy access breaker boxes and switches. Sigh. What was Mother Nature thinking? But knowing when I have contained the voltage is fairly simple for me. The agitated shakes in my innards go away and I can enjoy contiguous thoughts once more.

gentle grounding while you sort yours, November. Steady as she goes.
 
Thank you for the replies everyone - it's helped me this morning feel a little less alone. I woke up 6am, it's still very early. My stomach is in knots, I don't want to see her…. I will, but it is so hard.

@arfie - thank you for sharing your experience - I'd love if you could share some more about it.

Transference is something so many of us experience; more so I think, if our trauma was inflicted by our early caregivers, and over a long period of time. If our very basic and most important relationships were abnormally dysfunctional and worse - traumatic - I think it especially ties us up in an inner hell-storm.

I'm going to do my best to remind myself in all the ways I AM OK as a human being - that I'm in any way a little bit 'normal' and 'functional' is a bit of a miracle.

Some good coping things I've used this week - new things:

* I've been painting onto canvas - I've had the paints and canvas for over 3 years and never got away from the perfectionists in me to even put a stroke of paint onto them. I am definitely NOT an 'artist' - I can't paint anything much at all, but I am painting a couple of things. One is in remembrance of the fatal quake in my city of 3 years ago - the quake that turned my life upside down mentally and re-triggered the childhood trauma and PTSD. Another is a huge blue love heart with a closed eye in the centre, and tears coming from it. With the word to the Pink song 'Just Give Me A Reason' written in red around it - namely this bit:

We're not broken, just bent
and we can learn to love again;
It's in the stars;
it's been written in the scars of our hearts;
that we're not broken, just bent,
and we can learn to love again.

(Pink:
Just Give Me A Reason)

Clearly, pretty powerful and very much linked to any of us who have struggled to love or trust anyone, when our very first loves (our parents) have hurt us and changed the people we were meant to be.

* I visualize snowboarding - season opens in 5 weeks and it gave me a reason to live last winter. LOVE it so much, it talks to my soul - the beauty and magic and power of the mountain - so beautiful and graceful, right alongside the tough, physically demanding sport of hurtling yourself down the mountain at high speed, strapped into a board. It helps I'm pretty 'good' at it, in a short space of time (one season) I went form a novice (who broke her hand a few days into the last and my first ever, season lol) to an advanced intermediate. This year I want to learn to do the JUMPS and go FLYING into the air! Was pretty chuffed when I went with a guy who had been snowboarding for 4 seasons, all over the world, and he was so much slower, and I faster, I had to wait for him haha. Down the entire mountain in just under 7 minutes - freaking love it. My style definitely isn't 'pretty' - it's the speed that gives me such an adrenaline buzz, and I feel in control, at high speed.

Definitely helps to visualize this and I daydream a LOT, going through my 'runs' on the mountain. It helps me feel powerful, in control, and … in love, in a funny kind of way. I want to buy a sports cam so I can video my adventures on the mountain and make them into the short music video I'm dreaming about…….

*I imagine making a 'short movie' documenting a day on the slopes. I play music and try to come up with the 'perfect' song and 'perfect' scenes of what I will put into the short movie (i.e. the length of a song).

* I'm back at the gym after most of a year away from it (due to panic attacks and relapse into anorexia).Now I am weight restored and doing much better with my eating, I'm back getting fit for the snowboarding season.

*going to the gym also reinforces my philosophy: Strong Body; Strong Mind

These are the coping skills I've used this week.

And watching Dr Phil online :)

And my snowboard sits on my kitchen table, as a daily reminder, of what I do have to look forward too.

Pretty 'proud' that as a woman in her very late thirties, I could take up this sport - and a broken bone the 5th time I went onto a snowboard didn't stop me going back the next year for more.

Sure love whizzing past (some) of the teenage boys on the mountain lol!;)
 
I just wanted to say that you are not alone! I am dealing with some pretty heavy transference right now, and have made the decision to end therapy because of that and other reasons. Please let us know how your session goes, I wish you the best of luck.
 
@NovemberStar
I am not at all sure which part of the story to tell. It is a long story with as many branches, transformations and diversions as the electric power grid I keep comparing it to. Perhaps I can attempt to sort the current load coarsing my emotional lines today. An estranged mother who has been on her deathbed for 15 years. Estranged siblings I wish I could call. A sister to whom I remain emotionally bonded, but she lives 1800 miles away. A father-in-law who wants me to call him "Dad" without wanting to know anything about where I come from. A middle aged-son who flings hateful commentary in Rap Era vernacular. Etc., etc., through the turn of the millenium cliches. I received my base conditioning in an environment where I could not even count on meals and shelter. Even admitting I was hungry could bring dire consequences from beyond my earliest memories.

It doesn't take much to let the transference begin. Once it begins, my head quickly becomes the noisiest spot on our industrial planet. There to here to here to there to up to down to side to corner to... It doesn't take much to get my internal power grid tweaking. Even trying to contain it is no small feat. Dealing with all that at once is impossible, however much my internal power grid needs to spark it all.

Can you tell Electrical Engineering is one of the fields I have worked in? No degree. Just field experience. I find the imagery quite useful in managing my emotional transference problems. I am even convinced the bio-physics of emotional transference work on electrical impulses. "Just" a bunch of electrons looking for a connection. I visualize transformers, capacitors, load regulators, etc., etc., to contain the flow before I even approach that high tension power line snaking through my head...

Sigh. I am a better circuit board designer than psychoanalyst. Hope I haven't confused you too badly...
 
Star, your anxiety is so heart wrenching. I hope so much this experience works out for you and looks like your T fully understands. I'm writing because I could have written your post, I'm so scared of rejection. I can't speak up because every day of my life as a child I heard the words shouted at me, "I'm not your !#&! mother!! At a young age, it is literally a death threat, but even as I got older I never got hardened to it. I'm afraid T will say something similar (nicer, of course). I've been in therapy a year and she hasn't said one word about transference or my feelings about her, which makes it even more risky.
So, I hope you get through this, Nov Star, and hope I will too.
 
@arfie - how about in therapy? I guess that is what I'm wanting to know about (in other people's experiences)….

@Skylynx - why don't you ask your T / bring it up? Most T's know it is happening, but won't say anything until you bring it up, because it is a very hard thing to talk about or face in therapy.

I kept busy, went to the gym before my appointment with her.

She was really nice (sigh - of course THAT makes it so much HARDER :(). We talked about it a little bit. She said it is really good I took the risk and shared with her some of the feelings and she says its a good thing I want to 'work on making a connection'. She said it's REALLY important we don't recreate the dynamic I had growing up - she hopes I can tell her if I am wounded by something she says or does. We talked about that a little bit - namely how I'd find it so damn hard to do - to let her know she has hurt me. I said it's because I feel I have to 'protect' other people - I would struggle to tell her she had hurt me, because I wouldn't want her to feel bad. I told her it would also feel like I was being manipulative in some way, by saying how I felt.

We talked about emailing. It hurt to have the conversation (I suppose I do need to let her know just how damn sensitive I am - I keep my feelings inside so much, she probably can only guess how sensitive to feeling 'wounded' I am). She said there might come a time where I have asked her to reply to my email and for some reason she can't; that things in her life might prevent her from doing so. I felt so damn panicked at the idea of not getting a reply, I seriously considered never emailing her again, for fear that will happen. Thing is, I know LOGICALLY, of COURSE she is right - she is human, she can't have a 100% success rate in replying to emails - she was being honest, and I do 'get' that. But the wounded part of me hurt so much at the idea of it happening :(.

And I wasn't able to tell her that at the time - because I struggle with thinking I would be somehow manipulating her, or putting a LOT of pressure on her to always reply, if she know exactly how much it would hurt. Yes, even thought I know it wouldn't be on purpose - although I did check that out - I did ask her 'but you wouldn't ever do that on purpose, would you???" She was very quick to say 'no, of course not!'. I believe her.

I wish I could have told her that when she didn't reply to my email until 8:15pm last night, how badly I was affected; how painful it was, thinking she wasn't going to reply. I hope to one day be able to tell her - I might try to work on putting that in an email this week for her… and maybe making a point of saying DO NOT REPLY (to protect myself, in case she doesn't reply :cry:).

But then, I wouldn't have a reply - and that would be awful too -:eek: - having an email from her helps me feel she is still 'there'. Even if it's in the background - an email lets me know she hasn't disappeared and she still thinks I'm somewhat 'ok' as a person.

I told her my fantasy of how I wish my mother had killed me growing up. I told her I feel so angry my mother (and father) are not here to SEE what they did - they have never had to face the consequences of THEIR actions, and FACE that they f*ckED my life up. How I wish so much my mother can see and feel everything single emotional pain I have and that I hope she SUFFERS - like normal mothers would - seeing their child (adult or not) in so much pain :mad:.

It's hard because I know it is the very reason I am struggling so much and feeling so much pain with this connection stuff with my T - I only feel this way because my parents failed to do even a halfway decent job. They wounded me, they hurt me, they left me with a profound mental and emotional disability. And they were the ones MEANT to PROTECT me.

If only I had had a safe, secure emotional base growing up - or if I had a safe, emotional base right now in my life. My T is the closest thing I have to that, and it hurts so much that it is within a therapeutic relationship - because no matter how much I want her to truly care about me, and for me, she can't and won't.
 
@NovemberStar - I think you are one of the few people who will get how hard it was for me to end therapy. Here's the short version:

I kept myself away from people for 9 years in an attempt to avoid attaching to anyone as I just can't bear the feelings you and others on here describe. Then I accidentally (literally) found myself in a situation where I attached to someone (who was a trauma counsellor, although I did not see her in that capacity) and I freaked out. She thought I was in love with her :eek:. That and other things that were happening in my life at the time led to a flare up of PTSD symptoms and I thought going for therapy had become imperative. Two psychologists wouldn't work with me. The third was great, but by that time 4 months had passed and I was a total wreck. As a freelancer, my earning capacity was close to zero. I ran out of money, and had to stop therapy with the therapist in the middle of feelings identical to what you are describing.

I thought I was going to die. As a rational adult I fully understand having to terminate therapy with a therapist in the middle of hectic transference issues when I can't afford therapy. But geeeeezzzz ..... abandonment issues ruled. I'm still battling with it, 18 months later. I'm STILL attached to her, although I know it is totally stupid.

And so, as @Alien Goodness says, my stomach is 'in knots' when I read your posts, and now you know why I don't really post - especially not with words of wisdom :bag:.
 
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Hi, @NovemberStar , I understand it is a painful experience... I would advise you to talk about this issue with your T as soon as you feel the need to do so. She is here for you, she is here to listen and to understand, support, never to judge...

I am dealing with transferance as well - but the person who hurt me was a man, therefore it´s not my T who am I projecting these complicated emotions,but my best friend - he´s been dealing with a lot of my tears and pleads and I hurl reproaches at him from time to time - but we both know these do not belong to him. He is not a psychologist and yet - somehow - he understands - even without previous skills with traumatised people... He never judged me, he never blamed me, he was and still is with me... I am sorry you felt so lost, hurt and betrayed - but there is hope, there are second chances for each person, you are strong and brave and you did no wrong when you opened up... You deserve support and I hope and believe you will bet this!

I am sorry your previous T was not empathic enough - however, as others have said, transferance can be a great tool - in a safe relationship, you are able to show your emotions, to give them names - therefore they will lose their power over you. Transferance can help you in your journey towards healing.

I hope your T is supportive and that you will eventually be able to open to her (*hug) :hug:
 
@Pencil - thank you for sharing your experience - my heart goes out to you - I do hope you can 'talk' more about it if you need to - I don't think enough attention is paid to transference and how deeply painful and profound it can be - and I am coming to realize it is NOT 'bad' nor are we 'stupid' or 'wrong' for feeling the way we do.

I read an excellent quote last tight (from 'tales of a boundary ninja'):

“This is incredibly frustrating because we cannot THINK our way through it; it’s not about what we know, it’s about what we’ve experienced.”

That is really helping me realize I do not need to feel 'stupid' (doesn't' mean I still don't of course, but it helps to have it validated that all the logic in the world doesn't 'fix' how we feel - we need to work through our feelings, and it can get better.

Pencil - have you read about 'Erotic Transference'? I ask because it's something that I used to experience with some of my female friends, and I used to feel so deeply ashamed of it, and think I really was 'in love' with them BUT - it was actually erotic transference (which ironically has not a lot to do with sexual attraction, sex, or 'begin in love' with the other person). Basically, Erotic Transference is the adult version of wanting and needing at the deepest level, our emotional needs met. It leaves us thinking we are sexually attracted to another person but in reality it's about a desperate need to feel SAFE and IN CONTROL. 'Lusting' after someone and fantasizing about having sex with them is actually our way of taking away some of their power over us -in our erotic fantasies, we have the power to 'make' them 'weak' and 'lose control' (sexually). It's very common to feel this way towards a T; because they have a lot of power in the therapeutic relationship. Imagining them 'losing control' as a direct result of OUR doing (our sexuality) evens out the power imbalance, and gives us a strong sense of control in the relationship.

Hope that makes sense! the webs tie I am pouring one these days (tale soy a boundary ninja) describes it perfectly! Such a RELEIF to have read that, even though initially I could hardly bear to read it, such was the shame and sensitivity I had to it. (Hope I haven't triggered anything by sharing it :().

I have avoided getting close to anyone also - I had a close friend for whom I started to feel I was 'in love' with too, about 8 years ago. When it turned out badly (namely she was not stable - she has serious issues, and of course, it makes sense I would develop such feelings for a strong woman who is very messed up - exactly mirroring my mother!), I avoided getting close to anyone again since. I moved cities and did not attempt to make any friends. I was an emotional island. ANd I coped well - my father was dying of cancer, I went through massive work stress (severe brain injury of a baby in my care, and I was initially blamed and went through a two and a half year investigation to prove I was not at fault - so we are talking pretty major stress here!), and yet I coped fine. I had not had any PTSD symptoms for over a decade at that point.

However, being an emotional island backfired when my city was hit by a series of large, devastating earthquakes - the second huge quake killed nearly 200 people and that event triggered more PTSD. A huge part of that was that I didn't have anyone to support me; to provide a sense of emotional safety in a time where NOTHING was 'saf'e or 'secure'. Think Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, and everything on it was under threat (food, water, petrols applies, emergency services, shelter, healthcare, friends and family, sense of safety etc) and remained under threat for 18 months of almost non-stop aftershocks - each minor wobble feeling incredibly threatening, as of course, it had the potential to be another fatal quake :sick:. So, literally, my not working on my inability to 'get close' to anyone else may be the difference between getting PTSD again in the future, or not. I do think if I can get to the point where I have an emotional safety net, then if faced with further trauma, the chicness of my then developing PTSD again would be greatly diminished. My emotional isolation was definitely a part in my PTSD coming back this time.

@bluebird - Do you see a T? I hope you can talk to your T about this, it's great you have such an understanding friend. Do you worry he will 'leave'? or find 'it too much'? I have those fears with my T. I guess I'm 'lucky' my transference IS with a T, because (if they are really good at their job) it is the safest place to have those feelings, because the therapeutic relationship protects us a LOT. I've had feelings similar with a few of my friendships - female ones (see above what I wrote to Pencil).

I have talked to my T about this - I sent her the email and we have begun telling about it (yesterday's session). It feels a lot better already, being able to talk to her about it, and to SHARE it - it's a huge burden to carry around indefinitely.

I know you're right too - it can be a good thing - if the transference is positive - and I do think this has the power to be strongly positive - because my T is a safe person, she is very skilled at her job, and she hasn't ran in the other direction when I bought it up with her - she really does want to help me, not hurt me, and so I do think, as hard as it will be, I am so grateful it is her I am feeling these feelings for, because deep down, I do trust her a lot.
 
@NovemberStar - I am glad you are able trust her :-) She sounds like a great person!

Well - I am afraid he would leave me, constantly... And I am also afraid that he would hurt me (this case is worse, since - he is a man, you know, and I am frightened by somebody being attracted towards me, although he is best friend and I know he would never hurt me and break his own vows and everything). But he has already said to me many times that he wouldn´t - and - I think I trust him. :rolleyes: But it´s really complicated, since him being with me provoces flashbacks - that´s the scary part ...:confused: He lives far away, we mostly call and it is good to have him close enough, but not too close... Luckily for me, he has kind of steady, calm nature.

I am also scared that my T would leave me (though, haven´t been able to tell her yet, I know it´s stupid - *sigh*).

I tell my T about my Friend a lot, she even met him - he came with me to the first session and spoke for me... She is wonderful, but somehow, I am afraid that she will get angry with me if I mess something up... :oops: You also have these feelings?

So glad to hear you and your T started talking about this issue, be proud of yourself... I appreciate how hard it must have been for you :tup:
 
My emotional isolation was definitely a part in my PTSD coming back this time.
Ditto. Exactly. It was my emotional isolation for so long that ended in me attaching to the trauma counsellor with superglue.

Regarding erotic transference: When I was 9 I read an article about gay women, and in my state of deprivation I thought that would be the perfect solution to my need for mothering: where other kids wanted to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, I was going to marry a woman.

The upshot was that I was in a 'relationship' with the deputy headmistress (20 years older) when I was still at school. It was dreadful. A few years later I had a 'surrogate mother' (25 years older) who became a lover. That one did a lot of damage.

Fast forward 20 years and I now know that my primary diagnosis seems to be OSDD - i.e. I have more than one person residing in here who take over executive functioning, but without amnesia. The child attaches and goes through the transference, not the adult. The child does not want to have sex with the mommy stand-in. It took many years and many disasters to get to this point and this awareness. So, no, the last thing in the world I want is to have any romantic involvement with anyone. ( Sex with men often traumatize me, plus there are other issues - so that is another difficult issue, too much for here and now. So, although I seem to be straight, my sexuality is made complicated by other issues that will probably never be resolved, as this has to be done in relation to others, and can't be resolved in isolation.) Alas, all of this was too advanced for the trauma counsellor - I did not even try to explain it to her. I was in the middle of what seems to have been traumatic transference, and she thought I had the hots for her. I couldn't have imagined a response wider off the mark.

And besides, I'm always careful about abandonment fears as that so easily makes people think it must be BPD. Sigh.
 
@bluebird I hope you can tell your T - it will help things get better. If you struggle to talk about it, maybe email her instead - or write it down on a piece of paper and let her read it. I think most Ts expect us to have abandonment fears and fears of rejection, especially if we experienced abuse as a chid. If you don't ever tell her, how can she help you work through it?

My flashbacks seem to have eased off a LOT since beginning to be really honest with my T and starting to share with her my deepest fears. I am also feeling … safe… not all the time, but say for today, for example, I think of my session with my T from yesterday and I feel warm and safe - I KNOW she is 'there' for me, even if I don't see her until next Friday.


@Pencil - I know for me, my biggest concern in telling her anything was my fear of being labelled 'BPD'. I was terrified that if I talked to her about my fears of abandonment, my strong feelings she triggers in me, it would lead to her thinking I have BPD, and I had been misdiagnosed and horribly treated in the past when that label had been applied to me (I've written a lot about this experience in previous posts, long boring story!). I was afraid of her thinning I had that because in my experience it resulted in Ts shutting down, distancing themselves from me, and was incredibly painful (not to mention very wrong in the way it was done).

I very much relate to not wanting a romantic relationship with anyone - I don't want close friendships either. But I am slightly hopeful that with this work with my T, I will come to a healed place and be able to start making deeper connections with people, and not be so terrified of doing so!

Here is the link about erotic transference, it is the best description and easy to understand thing I've ever read on transference and / or erotic transference:

http://boundaryninjatales.com/2012/05/09/erotic-transference/#more-449

I often re-read through it, as it helps me feel NORMAL. It also helps me lessen the SHAME I have about having such strong emotions for my T, even though I know, intellectually, it is not 'her' I really have the feelings for.

It was this blog that really opened my eyes and helped me feel it is ok to a) have these feelings, b) my T will almost expect them so won't be shocked, c) it can be a very very powerfully positive thing to work through.

Was still DAMN scary to even allow myself to acknowledge I have misplaced feelings for her and deep fears in the mix also. But this blog helped me as it is one of the few resources online I have found that is form personal experience, not some downloaded textbook warning the therapist about it and making it sound like it's an awful thing, and the client having those feelings is 'out to manipulate' the therapist.
 
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