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"Success" vs "Failure" and "Judgement"

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So I don't have a brain at the moment, so I dunno if I can express this so it makes any sense :bag:

For those who don't know me, I had major childhood trauma, did 20 years of trauma therapy and am now just doing maintenance sessions, to check in and stay grounded.

So I'm not really dealing with the core trauma issues anymore... although they do pop by occasionally so say "Hi Sophy, how you doing?" So it's not like they've disappeared completely, but they're mostly gone.

What I struggle with these days is mostly general life stuff... Things that most ppl struggle with... Tho I do still notice how trauma affects those things too.

So I wrote a reply earlier in someone's diary about work/ career stuff... And that's something I'm currently thinking about a lot in my own life too.

And it's making me think about "success" and "failure" and about how those impact me/ how I feel about them.

I think most people, when they experience a success, feel happy, elated, proud of themselves... Successes make you feel strong.

And experiencing "failures" or painful setbacks... Well, that kind of has the opposite effect... Makes you feel miserable, makes you question and doubt yourself, makes you feel downbeat... Failure makes you feel weak.

So, I think to some degree that's "normal"... Or at least "average".

Most ppl I know struggle with that stuff.

There's a few super-enlightened individuals... or some really happy go lucky people who don't seem so affected by success/ failure... But most ppl I know do feel that stuff quite acutely.

With a trauma and PTSD background, I think I have those normal responses, but with an extra edge to them... When I experience failures or setbacks, my brain is conditioned to go down spirals into trauma territory pretty quickly.

So a failure or setback can lead to panic attacks, dysregulation, catastrophising, feeling suicidal quite quickly... in a way that's not really proportionate to the cause.

So I'm trying to work out why/ how success vs failure affects me so strongly?

Obviously, with childhood trauma, I didn't get to establish a solid, unshakeable sense of self-esteem and trust that life will turn out okay.

In the context of abuse, being "rewarded" when you achieve success and being punished or demeaned when you "fail"... that gives success and failure quite a lot of potency that they otherwise wouldn't have.

I think I also have a narrative in my head that if I am successful at life stuff, then it "proves" that I didn't deserve abuse and trauma in childhood. (Great logic :meh: )

The problematic converse narrative in my head is that whenever I fail at something, it's "proof" that I did deserve abuse and trauma in childhood.

So those 2 narratives are a very problematic thing.

They spur me on to achieve success, but they are pretty toxic when success is not to be had.

And somehow, connected to this issue there is also the issue of "judgement".

Why does judgement bother me THAT much? Why am I so sensitive to it?

Again, in the context of childhood trauma and abuse, it's hardly surprising. Makes perfect sense.

But I want to get at the "why" so that I can shift the dynamic.

Why does someone judging that I am "bad" somehow make me feel like I *am* bad?

Why is that such a one-to-one connection in my brain?

I guess growing up in an abusive and traumatic situation, I never learned in childhood that someone else's judgement is "just their judgement".

Growing up subjected to a perp, you KNEW that their judgement mattered... and that their judgment was for all intents and purposes "reality" cos there was nothing you could do about it.

Those things - the success/failure narrative and the judgement narrative... They are so subtle these days... A lot of the time I hardly notice it's happening.

But they drive my life in a quite substantial way.

Always striving for success (whether I want to or not) always instinctively trying to prevent failure (cos it's scary) and always trying to avoid judgement (cos that starts off a whole jumble of stuff in my head).

Whenever I notice that patterns from childhood trauma are steering my behaviour, I get sooooooooo resentful. I'm a thousand times too stubborn to accept that trauma is choosing my behaviour, not me. :shifty:

I really want to break out of (break free from) these success/failure and judgement narratives.
 
So I just had a "success" this morning and now I feel "high".

I think part of this dynamic is that my brain grew up forming an addiction to success. Same brain chemical patterns, as with other addicitions.

I've dealt with those patterns before in therapy... I know the way I isolate has a strong addiction component and the OCD stuff I struggled with in my 20s had the same addiction component.

So yeah, had a significant success this morning and now I feel "high" and "invincible".

So how do I break free of the boom/ bust addiction cycle re successes and failures?

I guess I will start with the easier half: successes and then hope that progress there spills over into dealing with failures.

So I need to step back, every time I have a success, and take my brain out of the addiction-high loop.

Need to remind my addict brain that successes and failures are not entirely but largely external, like the weather.

Sometimes the sun shines, sometimes it rains. And it will be like that forever. That's just woven into the fabric of life.

I need to stop enjoying the "rush" of success so much. I guzzle it like drinking a whole bottle of liquor.

Instead, I need to savour the rush of success more moderately... Like calmly drinking a good glass of wine and feeling content.

Maybe, developing a "gratitude practice" around successes will also help get my brain out of the addiction loop.

Gratitude is humble, so that could be a good antidote to feeling invincible and entitled.

Edit to add:

Also just realised something about the inner kid level of this issue.

With trauma and abuse, I was taught as a kid that there are "winners" and "losers". And if you don't want to be a "loser" then you have to be a "winner".

Personally, I find that approach to life deeply, deeply toxic and I do NOT subscribe to it at all.

But I know that it's been programmed into me during childhood trauma, so there are remnants of that crap floating around in the corners of my brain.

Whenever I have a success, my inner kid is like "Yesss... We are a winner now, we're not one of the losers."

I think that's toxic puke.

So I guess I'll have to look at that inner kid level and make sure I get rid of all remenants of such a shitty core belief from childhood.
 
I have the same problem and my therapist has me look at need for external validation and how it affects me, and finding inherent worth in who I am not what I do, detachment from external validation etc.. I don't really know HOW to get there, still struggling to find it, but positive affirmations seem to help some.
 
With trauma and abuse, I was taught as a kid that there are "winners" and "losers". And if you don't want to be a "loser" then you have to be a "winner".
I totally get this. There was no abuse but the expectations of success were pretty high...So there was a lot of pressure to not fail. It's part of why I don't recognize my successes - they were assumed instead of celebrated so I often don't notice them.

Failure was a crap shoot. Did I do something wrong and that's why I failed at was it a lack of knowledge? Either way judgement was there kicking my ass. That's why I get so hung up on how I "failed" because I couldn't escape.

I wonder how much of your challenge is that you were parenting your parents - so if you "failed" the repercussions were way out of whack for what a kid should have to deal with....
 
Super interesting. I'm also trying to figure out if the feelings of success / failure... Or perceived sucssess / failure triggers my PTSD or not.

I guess trauma gives your mind / body a learned experience... So those learnt patterns play out later on...

Hmm will think more on this
 
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